| Sleep-walking into Fascism? 14:19 - Jan 8 with 8463 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
I know some don't like the phrase being used but can we say it over this?
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| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 17:32 - Jan 8 with 1418 views | DJR |
Danny Baker, who cropped up on a recent thread, best summed up how I feel about the right to strike in a tweet in the last couple of days. I quoted his words on that thread, but I still feel they are worth repeating.
So much rhetoric about the "right to strike".
If you do a job and you feel you are being f**ked about: Strike.
Withdraw your labour.
That's it.
What else can you do?
Chatter about it? Post a blog? Write a think piece column for a paper? No.
STRIKE. Your labour has worth. |  | | |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 17:33 - Jan 8 with 1413 views | DJR |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 17:30 - Jan 8 by BlacknGoldnBlue |
Unfortunately people believe what the media tell them about Union Barons and forget if it wasn't for unions we'd have no paid holiday, no sick pay, etc.
As far as I'm concerned everyone should join a Union. For a small amount of money you can get legal advice on work matters and more! You also help your colleagues and yourself in pay reviews.
Join a Union! |
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| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 17:38 - Jan 8 with 1385 views | DJR |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 17:14 - Jan 8 by Rob88 |
You need to read what you have posted. Many other European countries have removed the right to strike for certain workers. It’s not new, it’s not facism. [Post edited 8 Jan 2023 17:15]
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I agree that fascism isn't the right word. I think totalitarian is a better word.
The thing is that this government is doing many things (such as legislating to override international law or proposing to override human rights law) which only countries such as Russia, Iran and Saudi Arabia do (and rightly get condemned for). | | | |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 17:44 - Jan 8 with 1373 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 17:14 - Jan 8 by Rob88 |
You need to read what you have posted. Many other European countries have removed the right to strike for certain workers. It’s not new, it’s not facism. [Post edited 8 Jan 2023 17:15]
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Nice attempt at disguise there. The fact that ‘other countries’ are doing it, and the fact it’s not ‘new’ does NOT mean there are not fascist motives at play.
Fascism is on the rise, not just here but worldwide, and just like in the 1930s it’s dressed up as nationalism and patriotism again. And just like in the 1930s people will deny it’s happening even when it’s right in front of them. |  |
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| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 17:45 - Jan 8 with 1372 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 17:30 - Jan 8 by BlacknGoldnBlue |
Unfortunately people believe what the media tell them about Union Barons and forget if it wasn't for unions we'd have no paid holiday, no sick pay, etc.
As far as I'm concerned everyone should join a Union. For a small amount of money you can get legal advice on work matters and more! You also help your colleagues and yourself in pay reviews.
Join a Union! |
I've been a union member for most of my working life. I've just never been on strike before. |  |
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| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 17:45 - Jan 8 with 1371 views | Rob88 |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 17:26 - Jan 8 by BlueBadger |
What is it you like best about the Tories, the corruption, the bigotry, the incompetence or the criminality? |
Try something more original.
It might work, it’s worth a try. |  | | |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 17:49 - Jan 8 with 1357 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Has Starmer come out strongly against this yet? |  |
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| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:00 - Jan 8 with 1333 views | Trequartista |
I might have the wrong person, so apologies if so, but I'm sure you recently upvoted a post where somebody said they'd like to see a political opponent imprisoned. |  |
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| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:01 - Jan 8 with 1322 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 17:14 - Jan 8 by Rob88 |
You need to read what you have posted. Many other European countries have removed the right to strike for certain workers. It’s not new, it’s not facism. [Post edited 8 Jan 2023 17:15]
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Which one of those has made it a dismissible offence?
Or are you still trying to find something to support your case? | |
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| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:04 - Jan 8 with 1308 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:00 - Jan 8 by Trequartista |
I might have the wrong person, so apologies if so, but I'm sure you recently upvoted a post where somebody said they'd like to see a political opponent imprisoned. |
I would be amazed if I did and suspect it was upvoted for some other part of the post without picking up on that, if I did.
Please let me know which post. | |
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| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:04 - Jan 8 with 1300 views | positivity |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 17:49 - Jan 8 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Has Starmer come out strongly against this yet? |
not against o'connell that i've seen. he's said he'd repeal any of sunak's anti-strike legislation though i believe | |
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| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:05 - Jan 8 with 1295 views | Churchman |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 17:30 - Jan 8 by BlacknGoldnBlue |
Unfortunately people believe what the media tell them about Union Barons and forget if it wasn't for unions we'd have no paid holiday, no sick pay, etc.
As far as I'm concerned everyone should join a Union. For a small amount of money you can get legal advice on work matters and more! You also help your colleagues and yourself in pay reviews.
Join a Union! |
Spot on. I worked for a large company with a Staff Association, Government where I was a member of PCS (I’m still an associate member), a small company with no representation and done paid by the day contract work.
Unions are not always a practical thing for small companies or of course if you work for yourself. But if you work for a company where representation is available, my advice is join it. It’s a no brainer. It’s as much about protection/having access to specialist advice/help as it is about pay and conditions.
The stigma and misrepresentation of Unions is almost limitless, but then that goes all the way back to their formation in the 19c.
I’m reading an old Alastair Maclean book at the moment. It talks about conditions of merchant seamen up to and including WW2. They were treated like animals because with the depression, employers could do that. Any legal protection didn’t apply at sea so conditions were unimaginably bad.
The British merchant marine was decrepit, but the owners didn’t care. It was about max profit and if the ships fell apart and sank, great. They were handsomely insured. The crew were no longer paid the moment the ship sank. If they survived, invariably they were fired. For the Arctic Convoys, the very worst ships were often used because the cold, ice and Germans made their loss even more likely. For the owners, it was all about profit, profit, profit.
For the public sector, look what the NCB did with the Aberfan disaster. A national disgrace. The NCB even tried to used the compensation fund to clear the slag heap for goodness sake.
This is a very long winded way of saying that without checks and balances that Trade Unions and their like can provide, people are open to limitless exploitation and abuse. Philanthropic employers are as rare now as they were in the days of the Matchgirls.
I don’t wish to see those days return. Apologies for the rant [Post edited 8 Jan 2023 18:06]
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| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:13 - Jan 8 with 1276 views | BlueBadger |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 17:45 - Jan 8 by Rob88 |
Try something more original.
It might work, it’s worth a try. |
I'm interested. None of you lot EVER answer it. You all run away, obfuscate, get abusive or a combination of all of the above.
What IS it you like best about the Tories, the corruption, the bigotry, the incompetence or the criminality? |  |
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| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:19 - Jan 8 with 1261 views | BlueBadger |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:00 - Jan 8 by Trequartista |
I might have the wrong person, so apologies if so, but I'm sure you recently upvoted a post where somebody said they'd like to see a political opponent imprisoned. |
Unlike you to come into bat with tenuous whatabouttery in defence of weird right wingers Trekkers. [Post edited 8 Jan 2023 18:44]
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| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:29 - Jan 8 with 1223 views | Bluedandy |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:13 - Jan 8 by BlueBadger |
I'm interested. None of you lot EVER answer it. You all run away, obfuscate, get abusive or a combination of all of the above.
What IS it you like best about the Tories, the corruption, the bigotry, the incompetence or the criminality? |
Cash for peerages? Fabricated corrupt dossiers that take a nation to war? Exempting F1 from bans on tobacco advertising bans because they hand you a million squid?
What IS it you like about sanctimonious self-reverential moral narcissism? | | | |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:34 - Jan 8 with 1200 views | StokieBlue |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:29 - Jan 8 by Bluedandy |
Cash for peerages? Fabricated corrupt dossiers that take a nation to war? Exempting F1 from bans on tobacco advertising bans because they hand you a million squid?
What IS it you like about sanctimonious self-reverential moral narcissism? |
Pretty weird to try and create an equivalence between things that happened 20 years ago and things that happened 20 minutes ago.
Why not actually try to answer the question instead so we can all understand, given the present context, why one would support them?
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| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:39 - Jan 8 with 1165 views | Bluedandy |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:34 - Jan 8 by StokieBlue |
Pretty weird to try and create an equivalence between things that happened 20 years ago and things that happened 20 minutes ago.
Why not actually try to answer the question instead so we can all understand, given the present context, why one would support them?
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Why do you initialise your posts? I think that's more weird. | | | |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:42 - Jan 8 with 1148 views | StokieBlue |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:39 - Jan 8 by Bluedandy |
Why do you initialise your posts? I think that's more weird. |
Because it's always the first thing people go for when they are unable or unwilling to debate a point properly. Thanks for keeping that tradition going.
Now do you fancy answering the question? You seem keen to post, yet unwilling to actually support your positions or explain your strange attempts at equivalences.
SB [Post edited 8 Jan 2023 18:43]
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| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:45 - Jan 8 with 1137 views | BlueBadger |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:29 - Jan 8 by Bluedandy |
Cash for peerages? Fabricated corrupt dossiers that take a nation to war? Exempting F1 from bans on tobacco advertising bans because they hand you a million squid?
What IS it you like about sanctimonious self-reverential moral narcissism? |
Choo choo! The whatbaouttery train is pulling into platform 5! | |
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| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:51 - Jan 8 with 1107 views | Bluedandy |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:42 - Jan 8 by StokieBlue |
Because it's always the first thing people go for when they are unable or unwilling to debate a point properly. Thanks for keeping that tradition going.
Now do you fancy answering the question? You seem keen to post, yet unwilling to actually support your positions or explain your strange attempts at equivalences.
SB [Post edited 8 Jan 2023 18:43]
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No it's a serious question, what's it all about? | | | |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:55 - Jan 8 with 1095 views | StokieBlue |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:51 - Jan 8 by Bluedandy |
No it's a serious question, what's it all about? |
Mine was a serious question as well which you refused to answer. You seem to have no intention of explaining what is clearly a false equivalence which is a shame and typical of the debate we have nowadays.
With regards to my signature, I did it on forums in the 90's including this one and I've seen no reason to stop. One could even argue it allows people to scan the post quickly, see the initials and ignore the content so in some ways it's a public service.
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| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:59 - Jan 8 with 1077 views | Bluedandy |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:55 - Jan 8 by StokieBlue |
Mine was a serious question as well which you refused to answer. You seem to have no intention of explaining what is clearly a false equivalence which is a shame and typical of the debate we have nowadays.
With regards to my signature, I did it on forums in the 90's including this one and I've seen no reason to stop. One could even argue it allows people to scan the post quickly, see the initials and ignore the content so in some ways it's a public service.
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We are all, as Town fans, eternally grateful for the public service your initials perform. | | | |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 19:15 - Jan 8 with 1022 views | jaykay |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 17:30 - Jan 8 by BlacknGoldnBlue |
Unfortunately people believe what the media tell them about Union Barons and forget if it wasn't for unions we'd have no paid holiday, no sick pay, etc.
As far as I'm concerned everyone should join a Union. For a small amount of money you can get legal advice on work matters and more! You also help your colleagues and yourself in pay reviews.
Join a Union! |
i always remember the advice what an old irish man in the 1960s told me, get yourself in a union lad. if you have a bad accident on site , mr john laing will not be at the bottom of your hospital bed when you come round, saying not to worry about your family all will be taken care of. but the union will.
also those moaning about the disruption over xmas holidays , if it wasn't for the unions there would only be 2 days of for most |  |
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| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 19:19 - Jan 8 with 1020 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 17:45 - Jan 8 by Rob88 |
Try something more original.
It might work, it’s worth a try. |
The thought that one day Nadine Dorris may notice you and invite you round for a naked romp in a bath of custard with her and Boris? |  |
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| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 19:32 - Jan 8 with 1011 views | Rob88 |
| Sleep-walking into Fascism? on 18:01 - Jan 8 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Which one of those has made it a dismissible offence?
Or are you still trying to find something to support your case? |
No no, I was at a family gathering for my nephews birthday.
Many countries under the right conditions make it a dismissible offence. Some countries make it a crime for some sectors under certain conditions.
https://www.asi.is/media/7581/Strike_rules_in_the_EU27.pdf
It doesn’t look like Sunak is proposing to set European precedent here. [Post edited 8 Jan 2023 19:37]
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