| Frustrating but we'll reel Plymouth in 17:05 - Jan 14 with 8154 views | Nutkins_Return |
Couldn't afford to lose today and we haven't. Should have won but we move forward. Long season and we'll overtake them. [Post edited 14 Jan 2023 17:16]
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| Frustrating but we'll reel Plymouth in on 19:59 - Jan 14 with 1834 views | You_Bloo_Right |
| Frustrating but we'll reel Plymouth in on 17:32 - Jan 14 by Mullet |
Think we've given away the title after that, needlessly too. 2nd is fine and if we win the playoffs no one will care but to not go up is a massive failure.
Frustrating they got rub the green at their place at both ends and didn't pick up some bookings rather bafflingly today, but they are a decent side happy to do what we're not and lump it long routinely.
Walton looked so uncomfortable with his feet and when he started to lump it, you could see we didn't know how to handle it and just gave possession away. Evans improved in the second half but got swamped too often in the middle and let them overturn possession.
Neither were alone in poor decision making or being unable to stamp themselves on the game either. I thought Woolfy did some excellent things and Freddie was unlucky to stud the ball when he needed to hit it cleanly as Wes was open.
Curious as to what has happened to Edmundson to go from our next Adam Webster to persona non grata.
We've had a rough patch with this illness, but relying on similar to happen to these and Wednesday isn't enough. There's every reason to think the game in hand and ground can be made up but it's become needlessly difficult now. |
For all that I want to rage at the manager, the players, anyone in earshot I think this is a fair assessment.
My worry is that there are signs that we will finish in a play-off position and performances to date do not give me confidence that we would reach a Wembley final let alone win it. |  |
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| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 20:13 - Jan 14 with 1793 views | Funge |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 17:26 - Jan 14 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
“At least we didn’t lose”
Do you want to put up a good fight or do you want to win the fight? You lot have a massive losing mentality (maybe been watching Town too long) and will probably talk about progress if we lose in the playoffs. You can’t keep missing these opportunities. |
This is where I am, to be fair.
This team, with these resources, and this backing...
We should be all over a Plymouth side, led at the back by James Wilson, part of a truly desperate defence for us under Lambert/ Cook.
Stop accepting mediocrity. As good as we look under McK, 6 points from the last 15 is a very poor return. |  | | |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 20:17 - Jan 14 with 1763 views | billlm |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 20:13 - Jan 14 by Funge |
This is where I am, to be fair.
This team, with these resources, and this backing...
We should be all over a Plymouth side, led at the back by James Wilson, part of a truly desperate defence for us under Lambert/ Cook.
Stop accepting mediocrity. As good as we look under McK, 6 points from the last 15 is a very poor return. |
Agree, mck needs to look at himself and staff, |  | | |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 20:25 - Jan 14 with 1723 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 20:13 - Jan 14 by Funge |
This is where I am, to be fair.
This team, with these resources, and this backing...
We should be all over a Plymouth side, led at the back by James Wilson, part of a truly desperate defence for us under Lambert/ Cook.
Stop accepting mediocrity. As good as we look under McK, 6 points from the last 15 is a very poor return. |
“Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser”.
(Alan Johnson, 2003) |  | | |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 21:35 - Jan 14 with 1606 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 20:25 - Jan 14 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
“Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser”.
(Alan Johnson, 2003) |
If we'd lost you might have a point. | |
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| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 21:44 - Jan 14 with 1568 views | NeedhamChris |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 17:40 - Jan 14 by Guthrum |
If we keep up our form so far in the remaining 20 games, that'll put us on around 91 points. That's more than the third-placed team has accrued going back over ten years (more than the champions in several seasons). We will be there or thereabouts for the automatics so long as things don't drop.
A draw with the divisional leaders is actually an improvement on what we managed in the first half of the season. |
You mean our form pre-Charlton rather than our current form I assume?
3 wins in 10 isn't form we should be keeping up, it needs to be much much better than that. | |
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| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 21:47 - Jan 14 with 1558 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 21:44 - Jan 14 by NeedhamChris |
You mean our form pre-Charlton rather than our current form I assume?
3 wins in 10 isn't form we should be keeping up, it needs to be much much better than that. |
Lol. If we keep up our form.
11 points out of 24.
15 points dropped from winning positions.
4 goals conceded after 89 minutes.
But if we keep up our form we will go up lol |  |
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| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 21:49 - Jan 14 with 1535 views | ArnieM |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 21:47 - Jan 14 by FrimleyBlue |
Lol. If we keep up our form.
11 points out of 24.
15 points dropped from winning positions.
4 goals conceded after 89 minutes.
But if we keep up our form we will go up lol |
Well McKenna, once again is spot on with his analysis. And stats are there for all to see. We can’t finish games off, we can’t hold onto leads and always give soft goals away to teams who have virtually one shot on goal.
https://www.eadt.co.uk/sport/23251346.ipswich-town-1-1-plymouth-argyle-kieran-mc |  |
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| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 21:50 - Jan 14 with 1505 views | chicoazul |
If only he was the manager and could do something about it. |  |
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| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 21:53 - Jan 14 with 1476 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 21:50 - Jan 14 by chicoazul |
If only he was the manager and could do something about it. |
Chico. Any idea where our experienced players were today. Aluko. Luongo? | |
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| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 22:14 - Jan 14 with 1380 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 21:35 - Jan 14 by Nutkins_Return |
If we'd lost you might have a point. |
We lost ground, we lost the lead and we lost the weekend when it came to the automatic race against our promotion rivals. It’s unfortunately the loser mentality of some fans like yourself who are just pleased we didn’t actually lose. Even when being 1 up at home in the 93rd minute FFS.
It’s not an overreaction, as it’s been a very poor 6 weeks or so in the league. Plenty to play for but we have lost the inside track after being in a decent position. Let’s hope they can right the ship, fast. | | | |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 10:17 - Jan 15 with 1205 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 22:14 - Jan 14 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
We lost ground, we lost the lead and we lost the weekend when it came to the automatic race against our promotion rivals. It’s unfortunately the loser mentality of some fans like yourself who are just pleased we didn’t actually lose. Even when being 1 up at home in the 93rd minute FFS.
It’s not an overreaction, as it’s been a very poor 6 weeks or so in the league. Plenty to play for but we have lost the inside track after being in a decent position. Let’s hope they can right the ship, fast. |
I take offense to that. Who are you to make up that I and others have a 'loser' mentality. Disgusting comment. I'm unhappy we didn't win. As a grown adult I'm able to put some perspective on where it leaves us in the promotion race and I still believe on balance that we can get promoted and actually that we will.
As someone who has done well in sports and won plenty (amazing with a 'loser' mentality) I can see the merit in not getting to down or too high on single results in a long season). It's not the result we wanted, especially being ahead so late. But a draw is exactly that and a long way to go. | |
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| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 10:27 - Jan 15 with 1187 views | Funge |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 10:17 - Jan 15 by Nutkins_Return |
I take offense to that. Who are you to make up that I and others have a 'loser' mentality. Disgusting comment. I'm unhappy we didn't win. As a grown adult I'm able to put some perspective on where it leaves us in the promotion race and I still believe on balance that we can get promoted and actually that we will.
As someone who has done well in sports and won plenty (amazing with a 'loser' mentality) I can see the merit in not getting to down or too high on single results in a long season). It's not the result we wanted, especially being ahead so late. But a draw is exactly that and a long way to go. |
It's been a bad 6 weeks in the league though, undeniably.
We've beaten a poor Posh side, a very poor Oxford side, and dropped points against plenty of standard L1 fodder, before once again conceding a very late goal yesterday against a reasonably well-organised Plymouth team. Others on here stating that they are the best side at PR this season - a fairly brutal indictment of how crap this league is.
This is the opposite of what teams with designs on promotion do.
This team have a massive budget, the biggest in the league, and bigger than perhaps half of the teams in the Champ. We should be doing better, quite a lot better. | | | |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 10:33 - Jan 15 with 1165 views | pointofblue |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 10:17 - Jan 15 by Nutkins_Return |
I take offense to that. Who are you to make up that I and others have a 'loser' mentality. Disgusting comment. I'm unhappy we didn't win. As a grown adult I'm able to put some perspective on where it leaves us in the promotion race and I still believe on balance that we can get promoted and actually that we will.
As someone who has done well in sports and won plenty (amazing with a 'loser' mentality) I can see the merit in not getting to down or too high on single results in a long season). It's not the result we wanted, especially being ahead so late. But a draw is exactly that and a long way to go. |
The issue is it isn’t a single results. It’s a set of them where we show we have a weak mentality and a soft underbelly when leading - Barnsley, Sheffield Wednesday, twice against Plymouth, Charlton, Cheltenham and Fleetwood. If we’d held on in just half of those games we’d be one off top.
And, to even it up, we’ve conceded the first goal in six games this season - Bolton, Morecambe, Wycombe, Portsmouth away and twice against Lincoln. We’ve won just one, drew three and lost two. One of the draws was against ten men for an entire half. Include the cups and we lost to Colchester, Cambridge and Portsmouth after going a goal down too. | |
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| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 10:35 - Jan 15 with 1160 views | Stewart27 |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 22:14 - Jan 14 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
We lost ground, we lost the lead and we lost the weekend when it came to the automatic race against our promotion rivals. It’s unfortunately the loser mentality of some fans like yourself who are just pleased we didn’t actually lose. Even when being 1 up at home in the 93rd minute FFS.
It’s not an overreaction, as it’s been a very poor 6 weeks or so in the league. Plenty to play for but we have lost the inside track after being in a decent position. Let’s hope they can right the ship, fast. |
Grow up.
We’re all hurting. It’s not like us fans wanted to draw. Of course the point suits Plymouth. Nothing you’re saying is a revelation here.
It’s just not over yet. | | | |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 10:37 - Jan 15 with 1151 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 10:17 - Jan 15 by Nutkins_Return |
I take offense to that. Who are you to make up that I and others have a 'loser' mentality. Disgusting comment. I'm unhappy we didn't win. As a grown adult I'm able to put some perspective on where it leaves us in the promotion race and I still believe on balance that we can get promoted and actually that we will.
As someone who has done well in sports and won plenty (amazing with a 'loser' mentality) I can see the merit in not getting to down or too high on single results in a long season). It's not the result we wanted, especially being ahead so late. But a draw is exactly that and a long way to go. |
I can understand what the poster meant. Perhaps he said it in the wrong way.
What has annoyed me personally is the constant 'its ok' plenty more game talk the players keep coming out with.
Few years ago we heard how some players didn't seem to care If they didn't win games... let's see some passion about things now.... dropping points isn't good enough and they should be saying its not, not banging the drum of its OK there's always next week. | |
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| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 10:46 - Jan 15 with 1130 views | Kievthegreat |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 10:17 - Jan 15 by Nutkins_Return |
I take offense to that. Who are you to make up that I and others have a 'loser' mentality. Disgusting comment. I'm unhappy we didn't win. As a grown adult I'm able to put some perspective on where it leaves us in the promotion race and I still believe on balance that we can get promoted and actually that we will.
As someone who has done well in sports and won plenty (amazing with a 'loser' mentality) I can see the merit in not getting to down or too high on single results in a long season). It's not the result we wanted, especially being ahead so late. But a draw is exactly that and a long way to go. |
The people with a 'losers mentality' is surely all the flouncers saying we are destined for the playoffs! |  | | |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 10:49 - Jan 15 with 1114 views | billlm |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 22:14 - Jan 14 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
We lost ground, we lost the lead and we lost the weekend when it came to the automatic race against our promotion rivals. It’s unfortunately the loser mentality of some fans like yourself who are just pleased we didn’t actually lose. Even when being 1 up at home in the 93rd minute FFS.
It’s not an overreaction, as it’s been a very poor 6 weeks or so in the league. Plenty to play for but we have lost the inside track after being in a decent position. Let’s hope they can right the ship, fast. |
Agree, no room in any league for losers, or people who think we've done well getting a point when we're winning in injury time, another two points lost,
Playoff bound unless there's a major up turn a run of wins and don't bottle it against anymore of the top eight, | | | |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 10:58 - Jan 15 with 1096 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 10:33 - Jan 15 by pointofblue |
The issue is it isn’t a single results. It’s a set of them where we show we have a weak mentality and a soft underbelly when leading - Barnsley, Sheffield Wednesday, twice against Plymouth, Charlton, Cheltenham and Fleetwood. If we’d held on in just half of those games we’d be one off top.
And, to even it up, we’ve conceded the first goal in six games this season - Bolton, Morecambe, Wycombe, Portsmouth away and twice against Lincoln. We’ve won just one, drew three and lost two. One of the draws was against ten men for an entire half. Include the cups and we lost to Colchester, Cambridge and Portsmouth after going a goal down too. |
Yes, listen I don't disagree on the results being not what we needed in the last 6 weeks. I think in any season there will be a run of results that are disappointing and it will be how we react. McKenna's job was never going to be about steamrolling the league as much as we want it. It will be about giving us a style and structure (mostly tick), then fixing issues and making us robust and as consistent as possible (work in progress).
My view and others is that we have a good squad a good manager and over the course of 46 games we can still go up automatically.
I take absolute offense to someone saying I have a losers mentality (not you) when if you read what I'm writing then it's really the opposite. You pick up the troops and go again. Imagine if McKenna took the mental approach of just telling the team "we',re playoff bound" | |
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| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 10:59 - Jan 15 with 1096 views | Kievthegreat |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 10:49 - Jan 15 by billlm |
Agree, no room in any league for losers, or people who think we've done well getting a point when we're winning in injury time, another two points lost,
Playoff bound unless there's a major up turn a run of wins and don't bottle it against anymore of the top eight, |
No one thinks we did well to get a point though! Some people just recognise that season isn't over because of that draw and that is still better than a loss. | | | |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 11:02 - Jan 15 with 1090 views | Funge |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 10:59 - Jan 15 by Kievthegreat |
No one thinks we did well to get a point though! Some people just recognise that season isn't over because of that draw and that is still better than a loss. |
The Charlton/ Wednesday/ Fleetwood/ Cheltenham games were all 'better than losses' - and all may very well cost us automatic promotion.
That's the point. | | | |
| Frustrating but we'll reel Plymouth in on 11:06 - Jan 15 with 1075 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Frustrating but we'll reel Plymouth in on 19:35 - Jan 14 by billlm |
Your in a dream world,
Today was the day
Bottlers blew that, we will be 4 th at best,
Sheff
Plymouth
Derby
Town if we're lucky,
Were treading water, |
This is the mentality we should be going for. Can someone let McKenna know so he can rally the team with this! | |
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| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 11:09 - Jan 15 with 1062 views | Kievthegreat |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 11:02 - Jan 15 by Funge |
The Charlton/ Wednesday/ Fleetwood/ Cheltenham games were all 'better than losses' - and all may very well cost us automatic promotion.
That's the point. |
As a accumulation of bad results, they very much could end of costing us. However, we can still get promoted inspite of them. No single game in January is ever the end if the world.
There's no denying that late goals are costing us badly and that we appear to be mentally fragile in the last 10 minutes of a game. It's something McKenna really needs to work on, because while we could get more goals to make those games less nervy, it's not unreasonable to have expected at least 2 of those (Charlton and Fleetwood especially) to have been wins.
I don't think it's something we need a signing for, but I think it's a part of his game plan and team selection he's not yet sussed out. | | | |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 11:12 - Jan 15 with 1050 views | pointofblue |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 11:09 - Jan 15 by Kievthegreat |
As a accumulation of bad results, they very much could end of costing us. However, we can still get promoted inspite of them. No single game in January is ever the end if the world.
There's no denying that late goals are costing us badly and that we appear to be mentally fragile in the last 10 minutes of a game. It's something McKenna really needs to work on, because while we could get more goals to make those games less nervy, it's not unreasonable to have expected at least 2 of those (Charlton and Fleetwood especially) to have been wins.
I don't think it's something we need a signing for, but I think it's a part of his game plan and team selection he's not yet sussed out. |
I’m starting to become concerned it’s tactical rather than mentality. I have no idea what McKenna was trying to do with his subs yesterday. Humphreys was easily shrugged off the ball against Wycombe so he put him on in a defensive position when he already had Morsy on the pitch? And instead of switching to a midfield three to shore us up he then moved Morsy into a wide left attacking position? If we wanted to play somewhere there bring on Edwards or Jackson instead of Humphreys and leave Morsy in his usual position. | |
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| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 11:19 - Jan 15 with 1035 views | Kievthegreat |
| Frustrating but we'll real Plymouth in on 11:12 - Jan 15 by pointofblue |
I’m starting to become concerned it’s tactical rather than mentality. I have no idea what McKenna was trying to do with his subs yesterday. Humphreys was easily shrugged off the ball against Wycombe so he put him on in a defensive position when he already had Morsy on the pitch? And instead of switching to a midfield three to shore us up he then moved Morsy into a wide left attacking position? If we wanted to play somewhere there bring on Edwards or Jackson instead of Humphreys and leave Morsy in his usual position. |
I feel like it was a situation where he would have loved to use Dominic Ball, but understandably we can't. | | | |
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