| Another bad apple on 12:09 - Jan 16 with 2814 views | Steve_M |
Yep, and of ignoring what's right in front of them:
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| Another bad apple on 12:16 - Jan 16 with 2804 views | Guthrum |
| Another bad apple on 12:09 - Jan 16 by Steve_M |
Yep, and of ignoring what's right in front of them:
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I would suggest that 'mean and cruel' are not ideal attributes for a police officer in any case. "Fair, even-tempered and rational" ought to be the ones favoured, "tough", not "savage". They are supposed to be upholding the law and investigating crimes, not brutalising people. Yet he was promoted to a sensitive role. |  |
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| Another bad apple on 12:37 - Jan 16 with 2779 views | bluelagos |
"A culture of shielding officers"
Yep, institutionally corrupt when it comes to not seeing/ignoring and not dealing with misconduct by their colleagues.
Seen nothing from the Police Fed and the many other serial police apologists to recognise this deeply ingrained cultural problem that exists and is apparent to any informed observer. |  |
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| Another bad apple on 12:42 - Jan 16 with 2754 views | bluelagos |
| Another bad apple on 12:09 - Jan 16 by Steve_M |
Yep, and of ignoring what's right in front of them:
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Kin hell, though difficult to be too surprised when you know that Wayne Couzens was for years known as "The rapist" by his police colleagues. | |
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| Another bad apple on 12:49 - Jan 16 with 2708 views | chicoazul |
They really are the worst. The whole institution needs gutting and starting over, which won’t happen of course. He’ll probably quit before getting fired and keep his pension, be out after a 10 stretch and start working with his chums in security. |  |
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| Another bad apple on 12:50 - Jan 16 with 2704 views | BlueandTruesince82 |
The force has admitted errors in failing to spot Carricks escalating danger.
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The force wilfully ignored numerous red flags and warnings becaues once you're in the gang you're in for life |  |
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| Another bad apple on 13:05 - Jan 16 with 2639 views | Illinoisblue |
They’re gonna need a bigger wheelbarrow to put all those apples in. |  |
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| Another bad apple on 13:12 - Jan 16 with 2617 views | Ryorry |
| Another bad apple on 12:16 - Jan 16 by Guthrum |
I would suggest that 'mean and cruel' are not ideal attributes for a police officer in any case. "Fair, even-tempered and rational" ought to be the ones favoured, "tough", not "savage". They are supposed to be upholding the law and investigating crimes, not brutalising people. Yet he was promoted to a sensitive role. |
Edit: Looks like the tweet, and/or the one it was replying to, has been deleted. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 19:45]
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| Another bad apple on 13:15 - Jan 16 with 2602 views | DanTheMan |
| Another bad apple on 13:12 - Jan 16 by Ryorry |
Edit: Looks like the tweet, and/or the one it was replying to, has been deleted. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 19:45]
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People forget the other half of the phrase "a few bad apples."
A few bad apples spoil the bunch. If you allow those bad apples to be there, it will spoil all the others.
As for the OP, absolutely disgusting he was allowed to get away with it by the looks of things. |  |
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| Another bad apple on 13:19 - Jan 16 with 2591 views | Crawfordsboot |
A deplorable case - agreed - but in the interest of balance:
Mark Rowley the Met Commissioner of Police is the one who is crying out for more power to remove these sort of criminals.
This b****rd was arrested and brought to justice by the POLICE just as they have arrested the gunman who shot blindly into a funeral gathering
Many right minded members of the police force will be just as outraged as we are by this guy, probably more so since he brings shame on them all.
Also as an aside more than half of the constables in the police force are women (55%) Edit: my error should read over a third or 35%.
All those criminals highlighted in your local newspapers, drug dealers, robbers, drunk drivers, fraudsters etc. every one of them that has appeared in court does so because of police action. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 16:13]
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| Another bad apple on 13:22 - Jan 16 with 2561 views | chicoazul |
| Another bad apple on 13:19 - Jan 16 by Crawfordsboot |
A deplorable case - agreed - but in the interest of balance:
Mark Rowley the Met Commissioner of Police is the one who is crying out for more power to remove these sort of criminals.
This b****rd was arrested and brought to justice by the POLICE just as they have arrested the gunman who shot blindly into a funeral gathering
Many right minded members of the police force will be just as outraged as we are by this guy, probably more so since he brings shame on them all.
Also as an aside more than half of the constables in the police force are women (55%) Edit: my error should read over a third or 35%.
All those criminals highlighted in your local newspapers, drug dealers, robbers, drunk drivers, fraudsters etc. every one of them that has appeared in court does so because of police action. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 16:13]
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“Not all police”
Also, the police don’t solve something like 93% of crimes reported to them. The police are completely useless. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 13:24]
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| Another bad apple on 13:31 - Jan 16 with 2507 views | lowhouseblue |
| Another bad apple on 12:50 - Jan 16 by BlueandTruesince82 |
The force has admitted errors in failing to spot Carricks escalating danger.
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The force wilfully ignored numerous red flags and warnings becaues once you're in the gang you're in for life |
quite. for 'failing to spot' read 'ignored repeated reports of'. |  |
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| Another bad apple on 13:35 - Jan 16 with 2488 views | bluelagos |
| Another bad apple on 13:19 - Jan 16 by Crawfordsboot |
A deplorable case - agreed - but in the interest of balance:
Mark Rowley the Met Commissioner of Police is the one who is crying out for more power to remove these sort of criminals.
This b****rd was arrested and brought to justice by the POLICE just as they have arrested the gunman who shot blindly into a funeral gathering
Many right minded members of the police force will be just as outraged as we are by this guy, probably more so since he brings shame on them all.
Also as an aside more than half of the constables in the police force are women (55%) Edit: my error should read over a third or 35%.
All those criminals highlighted in your local newspapers, drug dealers, robbers, drunk drivers, fraudsters etc. every one of them that has appeared in court does so because of police action. [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 16:13]
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Plenty of whataboutery there pal.
The issue for me is how can a serial rapist go undetected for so long. Of course he's in a minority, but basically every one of his colleagues, his senior officers and/or the recruitment processes failed to ensure that his actions were detected, for like 20 years.
The number of allegations made over the years were many, yet he carried on. The system failed - to talk about other police doing good things is completely irrelevant and would only be relevant if we were having an ACAB discussion - which we aren't. (Something I don't subscribe to myself)
The issue at hand is how and why do police officers fail so regularly to apprehend / intervene when the criminals at hand are their colleagues. The issue for me is cultural - they choose to ignore the red flags when they are police officers. They choose (or are scared) not to speak up for fear of being labelled a grass etc.
That is what needs to change, and I just don't see it happening. Cultural change in an organisation takes decades and I just don't see evidence of it when the police are so quick to defend the indefensible.
You only have to look at cases like JC De Menezes, shot dead by a policeman and look at the lies that followed. Look at how the police fed lies to the press about his wearing a big jacket, jumping the barriers etc. All completely facricated but who was ever held to account for those lies? Lies designed with one thing in mind, to mislead and set a narrative about the police actions that day.
There's a culture of "look after yer own" within the police and that is the issue here. Of course most coppers go in with good intentions and most coppers don't get involved in this sort of behaviour, nothing even close. But most coppers when push comes to shove choose not to speak out about their colleagues who are involved in sh1tty behaviour and so it carries on, and on... [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 13:42]
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| Another bad apple on 13:40 - Jan 16 with 2472 views | King_of_Portman_Rd |
You would say that this is unbelievable, but recent history would show you otherwise.
That department has been found to have shown absolutely abhorrent behaviour.. you would have to ask what is happening and/or why they haven’t disbanded parliamentary and diplomatic protection unit..
There senior leaders within that unit over past 20years have got a huge amount to answer for |  | | |
| Another bad apple on 14:04 - Jan 16 with 2403 views | Crawfordsboot |
| Another bad apple on 13:35 - Jan 16 by bluelagos |
Plenty of whataboutery there pal.
The issue for me is how can a serial rapist go undetected for so long. Of course he's in a minority, but basically every one of his colleagues, his senior officers and/or the recruitment processes failed to ensure that his actions were detected, for like 20 years.
The number of allegations made over the years were many, yet he carried on. The system failed - to talk about other police doing good things is completely irrelevant and would only be relevant if we were having an ACAB discussion - which we aren't. (Something I don't subscribe to myself)
The issue at hand is how and why do police officers fail so regularly to apprehend / intervene when the criminals at hand are their colleagues. The issue for me is cultural - they choose to ignore the red flags when they are police officers. They choose (or are scared) not to speak up for fear of being labelled a grass etc.
That is what needs to change, and I just don't see it happening. Cultural change in an organisation takes decades and I just don't see evidence of it when the police are so quick to defend the indefensible.
You only have to look at cases like JC De Menezes, shot dead by a policeman and look at the lies that followed. Look at how the police fed lies to the press about his wearing a big jacket, jumping the barriers etc. All completely facricated but who was ever held to account for those lies? Lies designed with one thing in mind, to mislead and set a narrative about the police actions that day.
There's a culture of "look after yer own" within the police and that is the issue here. Of course most coppers go in with good intentions and most coppers don't get involved in this sort of behaviour, nothing even close. But most coppers when push comes to shove choose not to speak out about their colleagues who are involved in sh1tty behaviour and so it carries on, and on... [Post edited 16 Jan 2023 13:42]
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You make many good points Lagos. I don’t disagree with them. Clearly actions are needed from top to bottom of the institution, however we shouldn’t lose sight of the much that is good in the police force. | | | |
| Another bad apple on 14:15 - Jan 16 with 2367 views | chicoazul |
| Another bad apple on 14:04 - Jan 16 by Crawfordsboot |
You make many good points Lagos. I don’t disagree with them. Clearly actions are needed from top to bottom of the institution, however we shouldn’t lose sight of the much that is good in the police force. |
What’s good about an organisation that fails so consistent and completely in its mission? It’s useless. The police do not prevent crime, they are social workers. They don’t solve crime. Nobody ever sees them walking the streets. Very few people have respect for them. Many of them are corrupt and criminal. They’re totally useless. | |
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| Another bad apple on 14:44 - Jan 16 with 2280 views | HARRY10 |
| Another bad apple on 14:15 - Jan 16 by chicoazul |
What’s good about an organisation that fails so consistent and completely in its mission? It’s useless. The police do not prevent crime, they are social workers. They don’t solve crime. Nobody ever sees them walking the streets. Very few people have respect for them. Many of them are corrupt and criminal. They’re totally useless. |
Utter nonsense, as usual
Firstly I don't think the remit is to prevent crime, however laudable that might be. And your 'wokey cokey' Dail Mail bleat about police walking the streets is merely evidence of your ignorance on this matter.
There is also the other matter of your lot cutting police numbers by 20,000. As to corrupt and criminal I would venture that as a percentsage the Tory parliamentary party has a far higher number than the police.
However, what this case has yet again highlighted is the massive failing in police accountability. Which every time there are calls for change your lot set off the wail 'political correctness...baa baa'.
Those responsible for this violent serial rapist not being removed and taken to court should now be held responsible. Perhaps once we have a change of government we will see these type of righties removed, and the culture they adhere to also weeded out. |  | | |
| Another bad apple on 15:29 - Jan 16 with 2216 views | chicoazul |
| Another bad apple on 14:44 - Jan 16 by HARRY10 |
Utter nonsense, as usual
Firstly I don't think the remit is to prevent crime, however laudable that might be. And your 'wokey cokey' Dail Mail bleat about police walking the streets is merely evidence of your ignorance on this matter.
There is also the other matter of your lot cutting police numbers by 20,000. As to corrupt and criminal I would venture that as a percentsage the Tory parliamentary party has a far higher number than the police.
However, what this case has yet again highlighted is the massive failing in police accountability. Which every time there are calls for change your lot set off the wail 'political correctness...baa baa'.
Those responsible for this violent serial rapist not being removed and taken to court should now be held responsible. Perhaps once we have a change of government we will see these type of righties removed, and the culture they adhere to also weeded out. |
Peel literally intended the police to prevent crime Harold. That was part of his point. | |
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| Another bad apple on 16:05 - Jan 16 with 2159 views | HARRY10 |
| Another bad apple on 15:29 - Jan 16 by chicoazul |
Peel literally intended the police to prevent crime Harold. That was part of his point. |
Despite many of your fellow righties not wishing it had, society has moved on considerably since then, as has the polices methods of dealing with it
"Peel literally intended the police to prevent crime". That was only one part of the original nine, and then only " as an alternative to their repression by military force".
Outside of the rightie media it is accepted that crime will happen, irrespective of any action by the police. Any deterrent is enforced by the actions of the judiciary.
Though I am sure we will all benefit from hearing from you how the police can prevent crimes such as murder, rape (and other sexual offences), GBH, ABH, fraud, robbery, shoplifting, theft of cars, burglary .... to name a few | | | |
| Another bad apple on 16:29 - Jan 16 with 2104 views | chicoazul |
| Another bad apple on 16:05 - Jan 16 by HARRY10 |
Despite many of your fellow righties not wishing it had, society has moved on considerably since then, as has the polices methods of dealing with it
"Peel literally intended the police to prevent crime". That was only one part of the original nine, and then only " as an alternative to their repression by military force".
Outside of the rightie media it is accepted that crime will happen, irrespective of any action by the police. Any deterrent is enforced by the actions of the judiciary.
Though I am sure we will all benefit from hearing from you how the police can prevent crimes such as murder, rape (and other sexual offences), GBH, ABH, fraud, robbery, shoplifting, theft of cars, burglary .... to name a few |
Preventative foot patrol. | |
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| Another bad apple on 17:54 - Jan 16 with 1991 views | HARRY10 |
| Another bad apple on 16:29 - Jan 16 by chicoazul |
Preventative foot patrol. |
Whereas outside of the loony Mail police forces around the world recognise that NO crimes are prevented by police walking around
What next, police call boxes and whistles ?
I live in a rural area and expect the police to have access to a vehicle to attend, not strolling up the high street looking in shop windows
Dixon of Dock Green was fiction, ridiculed even then | | | |
| Another bad apple on 18:31 - Jan 16 with 1926 views | chicoazul |
| Another bad apple on 17:54 - Jan 16 by HARRY10 |
Whereas outside of the loony Mail police forces around the world recognise that NO crimes are prevented by police walking around
What next, police call boxes and whistles ?
I live in a rural area and expect the police to have access to a vehicle to attend, not strolling up the high street looking in shop windows
Dixon of Dock Green was fiction, ridiculed even then |
Wrong again Harold
https://whyy.org/segments/the-police-experiment-that-changed-what-we-know-about- | |
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| Another bad apple on 18:42 - Jan 16 with 1901 views | HARRY10 |
I hate to point it out, but the idea is to post up stuff that backs your argument, not the other side - as this does.
So no worldwide evidence.
Just one street, in one area, in one city in one country which would rather back my argument that on a worldwide basis policing in the 'frontline' is carried out by having police with immediate access to transport - be it cars, motorbikes jhelicopters so as to be able to get to where needed as as soon as possible
What next ?
A link to a story of the Swiss Guard with pikes, proving that the use of medieval weaponary is part of modern defence capability ? | | | |
| Another bad apple on 19:08 - Jan 16 with 1885 views | chicoazul |
| Another bad apple on 18:42 - Jan 16 by HARRY10 |
I hate to point it out, but the idea is to post up stuff that backs your argument, not the other side - as this does.
So no worldwide evidence.
Just one street, in one area, in one city in one country which would rather back my argument that on a worldwide basis policing in the 'frontline' is carried out by having police with immediate access to transport - be it cars, motorbikes jhelicopters so as to be able to get to where needed as as soon as possible
What next ?
A link to a story of the Swiss Guard with pikes, proving that the use of medieval weaponary is part of modern defence capability ? |
You said police forces around the world Harold. Now you’re changing your mind. Everyone knows what to expect from you already but I don’t believe in treating you like the figure of fun so many others do, it’s cruel. But you aren’t helping yourself here. | |
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