| Covid Question. 11:39 - Feb 4 with 6593 views | StochesStotasBlewe |
Tuesday evening, the dry cough began. Negative test.
Wednesday morning, headache, hacking cough, razor blade in the throat and temperature. Negative test.
Thursday morning, felt like sh1t plus the above. Positive test.
Yesterday, very tired but otherwise feeling much better.
This morning, just like a cold. Negative test.
Will continue to isolate for the next few days and test again tomorrow morning but is this more the normal scenario now due to the vaccine for people who are not in the vulnerable groups? Had the virus a couple of years back and had symptoms for a few weeks and was proper poorly. Are the testing kits not as adept at picking up the new strain?
I haven’t had the 2nd booster yet and how long will it be before I can get one now I’ve had Covid again? |  |
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| Covid Question. on 15:00 - Feb 4 with 1860 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Covid Question. on 14:20 - Feb 4 by StokieBlue |
Can you post the papers as requested?
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Video starts with him plucking a couple of percentages from thin air. He backs this up with a claim of "new meta-analysis from Italy" and then accuses medical bodies of being unethical for not recommending vitamin D as a treatment. He adds that vitamin D is safe followed by quickly adding that we have to be careful how we use the term safe.
He displays this paper: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36678627/ on his screen describing it as definitive. He then shows this article (the headline appears to be expanded since he displayed it) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9864223/
He then starts to explain why vitamin supplements boost the immune system. I haven't watched beyond 5 minutes. |  |
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| Covid Question. on 15:08 - Feb 4 with 1837 views | BlueBadger |
| Covid Question. on 13:29 - Feb 4 by StochesStotasBlewe |
I’ll take my chances with the vaccine thanks all the same.
Also, I already take vitamin D supplements. |
Plus, evidence for vitamin supplements in preventing infection is highly sketchy. Best case scenario, combining the two will be more effective thn just the one and supplements will probably not be as effective as actually having a jab. |  |
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| Covid Question. on 15:13 - Feb 4 with 1815 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Covid Question. on 15:08 - Feb 4 by BlueBadger |
Plus, evidence for vitamin supplements in preventing infection is highly sketchy. Best case scenario, combining the two will be more effective thn just the one and supplements will probably not be as effective as actually having a jab. |
I think what he is actually reporting is that vitamin supplements boost the immune system (scientifically accepted I would say). He then says that vitamin D is generally low in populations without access to good levels of sunlight (scientifically accepted again, I would say).
I think the error is in suggesting these are an alternative to vaccination (I haven't seen that in the video). As stated above, both would be wise. | |
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| Covid Question. on 15:36 - Feb 4 with 1766 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Covid Question. on 15:13 - Feb 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I think what he is actually reporting is that vitamin supplements boost the immune system (scientifically accepted I would say). He then says that vitamin D is generally low in populations without access to good levels of sunlight (scientifically accepted again, I would say).
I think the error is in suggesting these are an alternative to vaccination (I haven't seen that in the video). As stated above, both would be wise. |
Ideally people should be taking vitamin supplements as a general rule for their overall health, not just to help them fight a covid infection and other diseases/infections. |  | | |
| Covid Question. on 15:57 - Feb 4 with 1741 views | DJR |
| Covid Question. on 15:13 - Feb 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
I think what he is actually reporting is that vitamin supplements boost the immune system (scientifically accepted I would say). He then says that vitamin D is generally low in populations without access to good levels of sunlight (scientifically accepted again, I would say).
I think the error is in suggesting these are an alternative to vaccination (I haven't seen that in the video). As stated above, both would be wise. |
I am not wholly convinced by vitamin supplements as opposed to getting vitamins from a healthy diet, although an American cousin of mine has spent the last 30 years of his life taking vitamin supplements for his health as opposed to eating a healthy diet. Indeed, when we last met his wife ate a salad, and he ate something with no vegetables, relying instead on his vitamin supplements.
I do realise, though, that things like folic acid are good for expectant mothers.
As regards vitamin D for Covid, this is what the NHS website says
"There have been some reports about vitamin D reducing the risk of coronavirus (COVID-19). But there is currently not enough evidence to support taking vitamin D solely to prevent or treat COVID-19."
Sunlight is the best way of getting vitamin D, which admittedly difficult in the Northern Hemisphere in winter.
But if vitamin D were the cure-all for Covid, this would suggest that areas within the tropics coped better with the pandemic, and I am not aware of any evidence that this is the case. [Post edited 4 Feb 2023 16:00]
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| Covid Question. on 16:00 - Feb 4 with 1729 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Covid Question. on 15:57 - Feb 4 by DJR |
I am not wholly convinced by vitamin supplements as opposed to getting vitamins from a healthy diet, although an American cousin of mine has spent the last 30 years of his life taking vitamin supplements for his health as opposed to eating a healthy diet. Indeed, when we last met his wife ate a salad, and he ate something with no vegetables, relying instead on his vitamin supplements.
I do realise, though, that things like folic acid are good for expectant mothers.
As regards vitamin D for Covid, this is what the NHS website says
"There have been some reports about vitamin D reducing the risk of coronavirus (COVID-19). But there is currently not enough evidence to support taking vitamin D solely to prevent or treat COVID-19."
Sunlight is the best way of getting vitamin D, which admittedly difficult in the Northern Hemisphere in winter.
But if vitamin D were the cure-all for Covid, this would suggest that areas within the tropics coped better with the pandemic, and I am not aware of any evidence that this is the case. [Post edited 4 Feb 2023 16:00]
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Vitamin supplements should never be an alternative to a healthy diet. There is much more necessary in a balanced diet than simply vitamins.
You make a good point in your last paragraph too. | |
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| Covid Question. on 16:06 - Feb 4 with 1714 views | strikalite |
| Covid Question. on 16:00 - Feb 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Vitamin supplements should never be an alternative to a healthy diet. There is much more necessary in a balanced diet than simply vitamins.
You make a good point in your last paragraph too. |
Except vitamin D which is very hard to get enough of through diet alone, this time of year we simply don't get the sun exposure...most of us are deficient it seems, though hardly anybody has their levels checked. |  | | |
| Covid Question. on 16:13 - Feb 4 with 1686 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Covid Question. on 16:00 - Feb 4 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Vitamin supplements should never be an alternative to a healthy diet. There is much more necessary in a balanced diet than simply vitamins.
You make a good point in your last paragraph too. |
A healthy balanced diet is important of course but not everyone eats a healthy balanced diet unfortunately so for those people taking vitamin supplements is better than not getting the quantities they require through food. [Post edited 4 Feb 2023 16:15]
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| Covid Question. on 22:22 - Feb 4 with 1609 views | factual_blue |
| Covid Question. on 13:29 - Feb 4 by strikalite |
Pretty conclusive...
I'm happy now to trust the word of John Campbell, the papers are out there with the latest research.. |
A doctor. But not a medical one. He has a PhD on digital education for nurses.
It was awarded by the University of Bolton. |  |
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| Covid Question. on 22:52 - Feb 4 with 1569 views | StokieBlue |
| Covid Question. on 14:42 - Feb 4 by strikalite |
Please just watch it, have an open mind even if you don't like him..
I'm leaving it here, for what it's worth I respect your views on many things on here, I know you certainly know your stuff.. |
OK, I've had a chance to quickly go through it so I think there are two things going on here.
You said:
"I wouldn't even bother now with the booster, the research is now out there for all to see."
So this isn't great advice (if it was meant as advice), the vaccine and any boosters are still the most effective way of preventing severe covid and especially death. It's wrong to equate the possible effectiveness of Vitamin D supplementation with the vaccines as it's clear the vaccines are better (from the figures given by Campbell).
However, it might also be the case that taking Vitamin D can also assist in reducing the severity of covid infection by helping the immune system so it probably can't hurt as an additional action (worth noting this isn't covid specific but a general boost for everything). I would need to read the papers on this as he isn't clear about how many in the study had the vaccines which might be providing the bulk of their immunity.
It's definitely not a replacement for the vaccines though and shouldn't be portrayed as such, especially for those in high-risk groups.
Interestingly, if you read paper he has linked in the video it says this:
In the abstract:
"The TSA of the protective role of vitamin D in mortality risk showed that the z-curve was inside the alpha boundaries, indicating that the positive results need further studies."
In the conclusion:
"The current evidence supports the benefits of vitamin D interventions in patients hospitalized with COVID-19 due to the protective effect provided by vitamin D against ICU admission and mortality. A meta-analysis per se does not allow us to state whether the results are truly positive or false-positive. In addition, the inclusion of studies with large effect sizes and significant heterogeneity separates us from the truth. For this reason, a TSA is mandatory to verify the reliability of meta-analysis results [92]. In conclusion, the positive results highlighted again and now validated by TSAs suggest that an indisputable association between vitamin D supplementation and the protective effect on ICU admission can be considered definitive evidence. On the contrary, further studies are needed to assess the utilization of vitamin D regarding the risk of death in patients hospitalized with COVID-19."
That's actually completely disagreeing with this video title which is:
"Vitamin D, now conclusive"
You might be starting to see why I'm not that keen on him.
As an aside, I don't think his posters in the background do him any favours and neither do the thinly veiled hints at some global conspiracy at the end.
SB [Post edited 4 Feb 2023 22:53]
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| Covid Question. on 00:57 - Feb 5 with 1490 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Maybe if you get another booster it will stop you getting the thing you already have. |  | | |
| Covid Question. on 01:27 - Feb 5 with 1463 views | Ryorry |
| Covid Question. on 15:57 - Feb 4 by DJR |
I am not wholly convinced by vitamin supplements as opposed to getting vitamins from a healthy diet, although an American cousin of mine has spent the last 30 years of his life taking vitamin supplements for his health as opposed to eating a healthy diet. Indeed, when we last met his wife ate a salad, and he ate something with no vegetables, relying instead on his vitamin supplements.
I do realise, though, that things like folic acid are good for expectant mothers.
As regards vitamin D for Covid, this is what the NHS website says
"There have been some reports about vitamin D reducing the risk of coronavirus (COVID-19). But there is currently not enough evidence to support taking vitamin D solely to prevent or treat COVID-19."
Sunlight is the best way of getting vitamin D, which admittedly difficult in the Northern Hemisphere in winter.
But if vitamin D were the cure-all for Covid, this would suggest that areas within the tropics coped better with the pandemic, and I am not aware of any evidence that this is the case. [Post edited 4 Feb 2023 16:00]
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"vitamin supplements as opposed to getting vitamins from a healthy diet" -
These two things should never be in *opposition* - as the word 'supplement' indicates, the proper use of which is in correcting deficiencies that arise despite diet, even a good one.
Remember the long, hot, sunny summer of 2018? I was working outside most hours of most days in a T-shirt, including some further reductions in attire for sunbathing about an hour a day. I also eat as good a diet as I can, with plenty of raw home-grown veg, eggs, fortified plant-milks etc. Yet in Sept. that year as part of a routine blood test I was diagnosed as having only something like 50-60% of the vit D levels I should have had (which I found one helluva shock I can tell you), & my GP prescribed a vit-D capsules supplement.
Older people are often more deficient than most, as the capacity to make vit-D through the skin decreases with age, even when exposed to plenty of sunshine.
Vit D is medically proven to boost the immune system, ergo ...
It is no substitute for vaccinations of course, but both in conjunction would give people a better chance of coming through Covid unscathed. [Post edited 5 Feb 2023 1:59]
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| Covid Question. on 07:15 - Feb 5 with 1363 views | dickie |
| Covid Question. on 00:57 - Feb 5 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Maybe if you get another booster it will stop you getting the thing you already have. |
No but it may stop them feeling so ill if the poster gets it again | | | |
| Covid Question. on 09:15 - Feb 5 with 1287 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Catching Covid IS a booster. So it’s pointless getting a vaccine for a few months = by which time it’s spring/summer and the risk goes down again. Best wait until autumn when your 2/3 months of protection conferred by a vaccine will have some value - assuming it works against the variants that go shopping with you next autumn. | |
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| Covid Question. on 09:44 - Feb 5 with 1254 views | DJR |
| Covid Question. on 01:27 - Feb 5 by Ryorry |
"vitamin supplements as opposed to getting vitamins from a healthy diet" -
These two things should never be in *opposition* - as the word 'supplement' indicates, the proper use of which is in correcting deficiencies that arise despite diet, even a good one.
Remember the long, hot, sunny summer of 2018? I was working outside most hours of most days in a T-shirt, including some further reductions in attire for sunbathing about an hour a day. I also eat as good a diet as I can, with plenty of raw home-grown veg, eggs, fortified plant-milks etc. Yet in Sept. that year as part of a routine blood test I was diagnosed as having only something like 50-60% of the vit D levels I should have had (which I found one helluva shock I can tell you), & my GP prescribed a vit-D capsules supplement.
Older people are often more deficient than most, as the capacity to make vit-D through the skin decreases with age, even when exposed to plenty of sunshine.
Vit D is medically proven to boost the immune system, ergo ...
It is no substitute for vaccinations of course, but both in conjunction would give people a better chance of coming through Covid unscathed. [Post edited 5 Feb 2023 1:59]
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Sorry, I was talking about myself and vitamin supplements more generally. You absolutely must take a vitamin D supplement, and it's up to others to take whatever approach they like given they may not always have a balanced diet.
For myself, I try to eat as many "superfoods" as I can, although I have the luxury of choice. For example, a handful of almonds a day gives you all the vitamin E you need. And I eat sardines or mackerel virtually every day, both of which are fairly high in vitamin D.
The following link from the NHS about vitamin supplements is informative, and appears to chime with the approach I take.
https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/food-and-diet/do-i-need-vitamin-suppl
It says -
"Most people do not need to take vitamin supplements and can get all the vitamins and minerals they need by eating a healthy, balanced diet."
It goes on to say-
"Many people choose to take supplements but taking too much or taking them for too long could be harmful."
Finally, it only recommends certain vitamin supplements (although that does included vitamin D), and only for certain categories of people.
As it is, I did try to take vitamin D supplements during Covid given the publicity surrounding them, but I just didn't have the discipline to take something on a regular basis which is not a prescribed medicine.
But maybe our discussion will persuade me to give them a go again, particularly as I am approaching my latter years. [Post edited 5 Feb 2023 9:54]
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| Covid Question. on 09:47 - Feb 5 with 1249 views | DJR |
| Covid Question. on 09:15 - Feb 5 by ElephantintheRoom |
Catching Covid IS a booster. So it’s pointless getting a vaccine for a few months = by which time it’s spring/summer and the risk goes down again. Best wait until autumn when your 2/3 months of protection conferred by a vaccine will have some value - assuming it works against the variants that go shopping with you next autumn. |
Isn't the point though that a new booster will be available for the over-50s in the autumn, so why not in the interim take advantage of last autumns' booster whilst it is still available so as to guard against all eventualities? [Post edited 5 Feb 2023 9:48]
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| *** MISINFORMATION ALERT **** on 10:31 - Feb 5 with 1211 views | unstableblue |
| Covid Question. on 13:29 - Feb 4 by strikalite |
Pretty conclusive...
I'm happy now to trust the word of John Campbell, the papers are out there with the latest research.. |
“I’m happy to trust the word of John Campbell”
You really shouldn’t and others please be cautious with this thread
You’ve been algorithmed and you need to fight against your confirmation bias
One of many reliable analyses you should start reviewing:
https://fullfact.org/health/john-campbell-youtube-singapore-children/ |  |
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| *** MISINFORMATION ALERT **** on 10:33 - Feb 5 with 1202 views | DJR |
I doubted the conclusions he drew in the one and only video of his I watched, but the Full Fact link ought to make everyone question everything he says. [Post edited 5 Feb 2023 10:34]
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| *** MISINFORMATION ALERT **** on 10:35 - Feb 5 with 1201 views | StokieBlue |
Thanks for that link, it tallies with my original assessment of him on the first page and my very quick analysis of the video linked where he seems to have made a mistake with regards to the conclusion of the study he's citing.
I really wasn't keen on him alluding to global vaccine conspiracies and nearly crying at the end.
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| Covid Question. on 10:41 - Feb 5 with 1191 views | DJR |
| Covid Question. on 14:56 - Feb 4 by StokieBlue |
There were two adverts before the video started.
Not a point I wish to argue about but to say there is no income from the videos is misleading.
SB |
As he has 2.6 million subscribers, and assuming, say, 500,000 daily views, the following suggests his annual income could be between $45,000 and $720,000.
https://socialblade.com/youtube/youtube-money-calculator | | | |
| *** MISINFORMATION ALERT **** on 10:45 - Feb 5 with 1193 views | DJR |
| *** MISINFORMATION ALERT **** on 10:35 - Feb 5 by StokieBlue |
Thanks for that link, it tallies with my original assessment of him on the first page and my very quick analysis of the video linked where he seems to have made a mistake with regards to the conclusion of the study he's citing.
I really wasn't keen on him alluding to global vaccine conspiracies and nearly crying at the end.
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The other thing I have noticed, is that he will show some information with a bit of a flourish but draw conclusions and move on without the time for a viewer to absorb the information. | | | |
| *** MISINFORMATION ALERT **** on 10:55 - Feb 5 with 1182 views | DJR |
| *** MISINFORMATION ALERT **** on 10:45 - Feb 5 by DJR |
The other thing I have noticed, is that he will show some information with a bit of a flourish but draw conclusions and move on without the time for a viewer to absorb the information. |
And he's very keen on circling things in pen, which tends to make you not concentrate of the other information on the piece of paper. | | | |
| Covid Question. on 11:03 - Feb 5 with 1173 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Looks like I'm in the wrong line of work. |  |
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| Covid Question. on 11:12 - Feb 5 with 1170 views | Ryorry |
| Covid Question. on 09:44 - Feb 5 by DJR |
Sorry, I was talking about myself and vitamin supplements more generally. You absolutely must take a vitamin D supplement, and it's up to others to take whatever approach they like given they may not always have a balanced diet.
For myself, I try to eat as many "superfoods" as I can, although I have the luxury of choice. For example, a handful of almonds a day gives you all the vitamin E you need. And I eat sardines or mackerel virtually every day, both of which are fairly high in vitamin D.
The following link from the NHS about vitamin supplements is informative, and appears to chime with the approach I take.
https://www.nhs.uk/common-health-questions/food-and-diet/do-i-need-vitamin-suppl
It says -
"Most people do not need to take vitamin supplements and can get all the vitamins and minerals they need by eating a healthy, balanced diet."
It goes on to say-
"Many people choose to take supplements but taking too much or taking them for too long could be harmful."
Finally, it only recommends certain vitamin supplements (although that does included vitamin D), and only for certain categories of people.
As it is, I did try to take vitamin D supplements during Covid given the publicity surrounding them, but I just didn't have the discipline to take something on a regular basis which is not a prescribed medicine.
But maybe our discussion will persuade me to give them a go again, particularly as I am approaching my latter years. [Post edited 5 Feb 2023 9:54]
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Morning, thanks for the link.
I'd say it's very insufficient advice tho tbh - doesn't even mention older people generally who despite being active, outdoorsy types are still likely to be vit-D insufficient due to age-related reduced capacity to make it through the skin.
Vit D is also notorious for being found in comparatively few foods naturally - oily fish as you say (which actually I can't eat due to a chronic gut disease), beef liver, eggs, mushrooms & fortified foods such as fruit juice, plant milks & spreads - so vegans might be another group wanting to consider getting tested. | |
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