| Don't understand why people want SW to win? 21:48 - Mar 21 with 5392 views | Reus30 |
If this result sticks, pressure ramps up on SW.
Barnsley will still be behind us no matter what.
Plymouth are just the luckiest team on the planet, every goal is either a dodgy pen or deflected shot. They will drop points.
We are so much better than all three of these sides. We take care of our results and we have this. COYB! |  | | |  |
| Don't understand why people want SW to win? on 22:37 - Mar 21 with 1382 views | Churchman |
| Don't understand why people want SW to win? on 22:05 - Mar 21 by Stenvict |
Blimey, are we saying the season is over again, like we did after the Bristol Rovers away game, before our 6 game winning streak? |
I’m probably over egging it as that’s the mood I’m in tonight (non football reasons) so apologies.
It just feels like a watershed for Plymouth after a really good away win and nobody left to play and a no matter feet up game for SW. For Barnsley, what a great run of form they are in. Doubled Wednesday - something we failed to do. It just feels that if we face them in the play offs I’d prefer it if they finish behind us and hadn’t done that.
Any logic in that? None so ignore me. I’ll view it differently tomorrow and in any case it’s really all about us winning our games. We shouldn’t look or worry about other teams as I just did. |  | | |
| It's effing ridiculous on 22:42 - Mar 21 with 1328 views | Coastalblue |
| It's effing ridiculous on 22:28 - Mar 21 by Dyland |
We still have to play Barnsley. Our form is better than theirs. They are behind us. We are... yeh gonna say it... better than them. Don't give two effs if it's at Oakwell. We only need to draw as far as finishing above them is concerned. The annoying result tonight was Argyle.. and Stanley are SH1TE ffs. Argyle will still drop a couple of points. Town just need to keep winning. And we can do that. Anyone who's sees us play recently, in the flesh, knows how good we are. Luck comes into it, same as every other team. All to play for.
COYFB |
Exactly this, this board is comical at times. Not very long ago at all that there were plenty declaring we probably wouldn't even make the playoffs. |  |
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| It's effing ridiculous on 22:46 - Mar 21 with 1309 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| It's effing ridiculous on 22:42 - Mar 21 by Coastalblue |
Exactly this, this board is comical at times. Not very long ago at all that there were plenty declaring we probably wouldn't even make the playoffs. |
You’d never know we’d just had a club record 7 consecutive clean sheets and 6 back to back wins.
Unbelievable Jeff. |  | | |
| Don't understand why people want SW to win? on 22:50 - Mar 21 with 1282 views | itfcsuth |
It’s still such a tough ask for us to gain automatics now.
Sheffield Wednesday and Plymouth get results, they find a way, that’s why they are top two - and the squeeze from Barnsley is coming given they are in tremendous form.
We have the toughest run in, we are going to drop points, think the automatic spots are just a little beyond us - still have Barnsley, Derby, Wycombe, P’boro to play - it’s a tough ask. |  | | |
| Don't understand why people want SW to win? on 22:52 - Mar 21 with 1277 views | FoD_Blue |
| Don't understand why people want SW to win? on 22:37 - Mar 21 by Churchman |
I’m probably over egging it as that’s the mood I’m in tonight (non football reasons) so apologies.
It just feels like a watershed for Plymouth after a really good away win and nobody left to play and a no matter feet up game for SW. For Barnsley, what a great run of form they are in. Doubled Wednesday - something we failed to do. It just feels that if we face them in the play offs I’d prefer it if they finish behind us and hadn’t done that.
Any logic in that? None so ignore me. I’ll view it differently tomorrow and in any case it’s really all about us winning our games. We shouldn’t look or worry about other teams as I just did. |
A good result for them, but not a good away win.
Watching the game it looked nothing like top v bottom, it was more like a relegation scrap. Stanley maybe should have had an early penalty and Plymouth's first goal was very, very fortunate (even more so than their equaliser at PR). It was a pretty dire game of football.
Their second goal came against 10 men. They got the win, but they were not convincing at all. I don't think that their games against Bristol Rovers and Exeter are going to be a walkover. | | | |
| Don't understand why people want SW to win? on 22:55 - Mar 21 with 1265 views | Churchman |
| Don't understand why people want SW to win? on 22:52 - Mar 21 by FoD_Blue |
A good result for them, but not a good away win.
Watching the game it looked nothing like top v bottom, it was more like a relegation scrap. Stanley maybe should have had an early penalty and Plymouth's first goal was very, very fortunate (even more so than their equaliser at PR). It was a pretty dire game of football.
Their second goal came against 10 men. They got the win, but they were not convincing at all. I don't think that their games against Bristol Rovers and Exeter are going to be a walkover. |
Fair enough. I didn’t see the game so yes - good result. Poor wording on my part.
Interesting how they played. It could be their undoing. Here’s hoping. | | | |
| Don't understand why people want SW to win? on 22:59 - Mar 21 with 1260 views | J2BLUE |
| Don't understand why people want SW to win? on 22:09 - Mar 21 by Stewart27 |
Jesus man. That’s a bit of bed wetting.
One of the only 2 teams above us have just lost.
Why is everybody so concerned about looking over their shoulder? We are chasing the top 2, not worrying about being caught. We’ll come 3rd or 4th so we’ll have our home leg second and likely play 3rd or 4th in the final.
Our slim chances of automatic have improved slightly tonight. |
Bed wetting? For saying it's been a crap night? Really?
I have total confidence in Town's ability to get a lot of points over the remaining games but I would have been happier if Barnsley had lost. I think we're in a three way fight for second and it would have been good to have some breathing room. Seems a perfectly reasonable view in my opinion. |  |
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| Don't understand why people want SW to win? on 23:04 - Mar 21 with 1228 views | J2BLUE |
| Don't understand why people want SW to win? on 22:15 - Mar 21 by waveneyblue |
Just a gentle reminder.
We are on a six match winning run and haven't conceded in 7.
I reckon Barnsley might think our form is a tad ridiculous too. |
Who said it wasn't? Some of you seem to be seeing what you want to see. | |
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| Don't understand why people want SW to win? on 23:58 - Mar 21 with 1147 views | Ryorry |
| Don't understand why people want SW to win? on 22:09 - Mar 21 by Stewart27 |
Jesus man. That’s a bit of bed wetting.
One of the only 2 teams above us have just lost.
Why is everybody so concerned about looking over their shoulder? We are chasing the top 2, not worrying about being caught. We’ll come 3rd or 4th so we’ll have our home leg second and likely play 3rd or 4th in the final.
Our slim chances of automatic have improved slightly tonight. |
Don’t think people can be blamed for venting a bit of feeling and expressing disappointed mood in the slight reduction (as I see it, happy to be proved wrong of course) of our chances of making top two tbh. Only natural to react on the spur of the moment. [Post edited 22 Mar 2023 0:02]
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| Don't understand why people want SW to win? on 03:03 - Mar 22 with 1088 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Don't understand why people want SW to win? on 22:07 - Mar 21 by ArnieM |
Exactly!
Barnsley did Sheffield what we couldn’t .
Plymouth do what we don’t ….
We’ve only just run into a run of wins and we bloody postpone the game. If our squad is so strong why haven’t we played them!
It’s a difference of opinion amongst us fans as to whether we should have played or postponed. I personally feel we should have played Barnsley. We have a good strong squad. But we are :Rd because of our home form. |
You don't even make sense.
Ipswich did Bolton what Barnsley couldn't.
Want to compare more than one game? Our PPG is the same with a better goal difference.
Why would would we want to play our automatic promotion rivals when we are missing 2 of our 4 first choice forwards? We've won the last 6 games because these players have been contributing, not In spite of them.
During our 9 game unbeaten run Burns and Broadhead have 4 goals and 6 assists between them. Their likely replacements would be Jackson and Harness. They have 8 goals and 3 assists between them all season. Of course we want our first choice attackers. |  |
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| Don't understand why people want SW to win? on 03:07 - Mar 22 with 1084 views | Kropotkin123 |
| Don't understand why people want SW to win? on 21:50 - Mar 21 by Hciwspi |
If we’re so much better than any of these three teams why are we not top? |
Because we signed Luongo, Hirst, Broadhead, and Clarke in January who have all been excellent additions. | |
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| Don't understand why people want SW to win? on 07:18 - Mar 22 with 952 views | Churchman |
| Don't understand why people want SW to win? on 22:07 - Mar 21 by ArnieM |
Exactly!
Barnsley did Sheffield what we couldn’t .
Plymouth do what we don’t ….
We’ve only just run into a run of wins and we bloody postpone the game. If our squad is so strong why haven’t we played them!
It’s a difference of opinion amongst us fans as to whether we should have played or postponed. I personally feel we should have played Barnsley. We have a good strong squad. But we are :Rd because of our home form. |
I think we are damned if we postpone, damned if we don’t if the result goes against us played Sat or in a months time. If we had played and won on Saturday short of players it would have been brilliant, but had we not it’d have looked stupid.
It was the right decision to move the game in my view, overall, and that for me is the end of it. It’s up to us. If it doesn’t work out so be it.
Yes, we deserve to be where we are. No more, no less. Weds and PA have had better seasons than us based on that. However, I’d argue that on current form Barnsley and ourselves are playing better than them and it’ll be interesting to see who comes out on top next month. | | | |
| It's effing ridiculous on 09:50 - Mar 22 with 863 views | dirtyboy |
| It's effing ridiculous on 22:28 - Mar 21 by Dyland |
We still have to play Barnsley. Our form is better than theirs. They are behind us. We are... yeh gonna say it... better than them. Don't give two effs if it's at Oakwell. We only need to draw as far as finishing above them is concerned. The annoying result tonight was Argyle.. and Stanley are SH1TE ffs. Argyle will still drop a couple of points. Town just need to keep winning. And we can do that. Anyone who's sees us play recently, in the flesh, knows how good we are. Luck comes into it, same as every other team. All to play for.
COYFB |
Based on team form over last 8 games, average position in table based on that...
Plymouth - 16.6
Sheff Wed - 15.8
Ipswich - 9.75
Barnsley - 14.8
Pretty clear we've got the hardest run in.
I've also done that based on each team based on their home and away form
Plymouth - 14.5
Sheff Wed - 16.4
Ipswich - 10.2
Barnsley - 15
Whatever way you look at it, we're playing teams on average 5 places better off than any of our opponents on the run in.
You need a little luck at times, having runs against teams in poor form, the table doesn't tell the whole story all the time (like us....playing someone top doesn't mean they're the best at all moments in the season) so we might need a little of that.
Resigning myself to play offs, but would be relatively confident, although final is a cup final and therefore anything can happen.
What a season though! |  | | |
| I hear that on 10:05 - Mar 22 with 847 views | Dyland |
| It's effing ridiculous on 09:50 - Mar 22 by dirtyboy |
Based on team form over last 8 games, average position in table based on that...
Plymouth - 16.6
Sheff Wed - 15.8
Ipswich - 9.75
Barnsley - 14.8
Pretty clear we've got the hardest run in.
I've also done that based on each team based on their home and away form
Plymouth - 14.5
Sheff Wed - 16.4
Ipswich - 10.2
Barnsley - 15
Whatever way you look at it, we're playing teams on average 5 places better off than any of our opponents on the run in.
You need a little luck at times, having runs against teams in poor form, the table doesn't tell the whole story all the time (like us....playing someone top doesn't mean they're the best at all moments in the season) so we might need a little of that.
Resigning myself to play offs, but would be relatively confident, although final is a cup final and therefore anything can happen.
What a season though! |
And it's hard to judge properly based on opponents, though Bolton and Shrews made me a little optimistic (and even Burton game)... but we are looking red hot, more so than previous decent games. I think we'd give Wednesday and Argyle much more trouble currently, home or away. We don't need to fear Barnsley at all imo. What we do need is luck and Wednesday or Argyle to drop points. Which is why I thought one of the results last night was alright. Pilgrims beating Stanley and their run-in made the other result better, imho :) |  |
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| It's effing ridiculous on 14:02 - Mar 22 with 768 views | Kropotkin123 |
| It's effing ridiculous on 09:50 - Mar 22 by dirtyboy |
Based on team form over last 8 games, average position in table based on that...
Plymouth - 16.6
Sheff Wed - 15.8
Ipswich - 9.75
Barnsley - 14.8
Pretty clear we've got the hardest run in.
I've also done that based on each team based on their home and away form
Plymouth - 14.5
Sheff Wed - 16.4
Ipswich - 10.2
Barnsley - 15
Whatever way you look at it, we're playing teams on average 5 places better off than any of our opponents on the run in.
You need a little luck at times, having runs against teams in poor form, the table doesn't tell the whole story all the time (like us....playing someone top doesn't mean they're the best at all moments in the season) so we might need a little of that.
Resigning myself to play offs, but would be relatively confident, although final is a cup final and therefore anything can happen.
What a season though! |
Average of Opponent PPG values
Plymouth: 1.23
Sheff Wed: 1.16
Ipswich: 1.52
Barnsley: 1.14
Meaningless if our recent additions have put us in a position where we can turnover any team we play. I'm looking at Derby, and I'm full of confidence, knowing we have the quality to beat them. The players seem to have genuine conviction that they can beat anyone now too. | |
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| It's effing ridiculous on 14:29 - Mar 22 with 725 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| It's effing ridiculous on 14:02 - Mar 22 by Kropotkin123 |
Average of Opponent PPG values
Plymouth: 1.23
Sheff Wed: 1.16
Ipswich: 1.52
Barnsley: 1.14
Meaningless if our recent additions have put us in a position where we can turnover any team we play. I'm looking at Derby, and I'm full of confidence, knowing we have the quality to beat them. The players seem to have genuine conviction that they can beat anyone now too. |
“The players seem to have genuine conviction that they can beat anyone now too”
Totally agree with this, and so they should - I still maintain there aren’t many better players man for man in our rivals team. Better some of all parts maybe but on paper you wouldn’t swap them.
The test now is how we deal with going behind, not an issue in the last few games but statistically we are going to concede at some point. Weds and Plymouth manage to come from behind without panicking. Hopefully we can too (let’s face it McGoldrick is nailed on to score if he plays against us). | | | |
| I hear that on 16:00 - Mar 22 with 639 views | Ryorry |
| I hear that on 10:05 - Mar 22 by Dyland |
And it's hard to judge properly based on opponents, though Bolton and Shrews made me a little optimistic (and even Burton game)... but we are looking red hot, more so than previous decent games. I think we'd give Wednesday and Argyle much more trouble currently, home or away. We don't need to fear Barnsley at all imo. What we do need is luck and Wednesday or Argyle to drop points. Which is why I thought one of the results last night was alright. Pilgrims beating Stanley and their run-in made the other result better, imho :) |
"Which is why I thought one of the results last night was alright. Pilgrims beating Stanley and their run-in made the other result better, imho :) "
Err, wtf?! | |
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| I hear that on 16:23 - Mar 22 with 620 views | J2BLUE |
| I hear that on 16:00 - Mar 22 by Ryorry |
"Which is why I thought one of the results last night was alright. Pilgrims beating Stanley and their run-in made the other result better, imho :) "
Err, wtf?! |
I think he means there are now two automatic spots we can target and with Plymouth's run it it means we don't just have to rely on catching them.
Mixed feelings on that one to be honest. If Sheff Wed win their game in hand then making up six points in nine matches is a big ask. With that said, I really wouldn't be surprised to see Town just relentlessly stack up wins now as Luongo and Broadhead have really added something and Hirst is starting to look very good as well. | |
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| I hear that on 16:40 - Mar 22 with 605 views | Ryorry |
| I hear that on 16:23 - Mar 22 by J2BLUE |
I think he means there are now two automatic spots we can target and with Plymouth's run it it means we don't just have to rely on catching them.
Mixed feelings on that one to be honest. If Sheff Wed win their game in hand then making up six points in nine matches is a big ask. With that said, I really wouldn't be surprised to see Town just relentlessly stack up wins now as Luongo and Broadhead have really added something and Hirst is starting to look very good as well. |
Hmm, well thanks for the explan, but re your first para (albeit it's Dyler's point of course) I felt our chances of top two actually diminished as a result of last night, and Kiev looked up a stats site which apparently confirmed that to be the case -
Was tonight a good night for Town Statistically Speaking? by Kievthegreat 21 Mar 2023 23:20Seeing as we're all arguing if it was a good night, I thought I'd check what FiveThirtyEight thought about tonight.
Chances of finishing top 2 before todays games:
Sheffield - 96%
Plymouth - 51%
Ipswich - 33%
Barnsley - 19%
After todays games:
Sheffield - 89% (-7%)
Plymouth - 53% (+2%)
Barnsley - 32% (+13%)
Ipswich - 26% (-7%)
Plymouth haven't really gained much because they were big favourites and that was already baked into their numbers. Barnsley gain a lot because the game was judged as basically coin toss by their simulation, plus they take points off of one of the teams they are chasing. Us and Wednesday are the losers, but it's not by a huge amount, bearing in mind our win against Bolton saw us jump by 13%.
Unless there are upsets in our rivals games, we will see those odds shorten again. However like the Plymouth result, it should have a massive impact as Wednesday and Barnsley are extremely heavy favourites in their games while we have our international break. It will be interesting to see our position before kick-off against Derby. We'll still be 3rd (unless Barnsley put 13 past Exeter), but no-one will have any games in hand on us. Instead we'll have 1 each against Plymouth and Wednesday and be level with Barnsley. Should be a ridiculously competitive end to the season.
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| Don't understand why people want SW to win? on 17:03 - Mar 22 with 584 views | TractorCam |
Is there a way to sync "give over you massive fanny" on numerous posts on this thread.
What a barrel of laughs. It's so terrible that the team who were top of the league are now closer to us than before, but let's worry about the team in 4th. |  |
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| Don't understand why people want SW to win? on 17:07 - Mar 22 with 576 views | J2BLUE |
| Don't understand why people want SW to win? on 17:03 - Mar 22 by TractorCam |
Is there a way to sync "give over you massive fanny" on numerous posts on this thread.
What a barrel of laughs. It's so terrible that the team who were top of the league are now closer to us than before, but let's worry about the team in 4th. |
Again, this is nonsense.
People are just disagreeing on what the best result would have been for Town. I can't see anyone getting upset. Surely people are allowed a different view? Last night had positives. It also had negatives. It seems more and more there has to be one board view and anyone who disagrees is accused of blubbing. It's ridiculous.
And yes, I know, i'm blubbing. Sigh. | |
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