| Something to hide? on 18:07 - Jun 1 with 1661 views | Swansea_Blue |
Given their record, yes 100% guaranteed they’ve got something (more) to try and hide. |  |
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| Something to hide? on 19:53 - Jun 1 with 1580 views | LeoMuff |
Of course they have, and something pretty juicy by the way they are desperately wriggling to avoid releasing these messages. Probably Rishi related as I’m pretty sure they would be happy to chuck Boris to the wolves. |  |
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| Something to hide? on 22:29 - Jun 1 with 1471 views | Freddies_Ears |
| Something to hide? on 19:53 - Jun 1 by LeoMuff |
Of course they have, and something pretty juicy by the way they are desperately wriggling to avoid releasing these messages. Probably Rishi related as I’m pretty sure they would be happy to chuck Boris to the wolves. |
Interesting that Boris is happy to destroy the current govt...
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| Something to hide? on 22:40 - Jun 1 with 1458 views | Oldsmoker |
| Something to hide? on 22:29 - Jun 1 by Freddies_Ears |
Interesting that Boris is happy to destroy the current govt...
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Boris has actually said that the Covid enquiry should have his whatsap messages.
Is Sunak saying "No Boris, I won't let you throw yourself under the bus" or is he not saying "Oh sh*t, those messages stitch me up like a kipper". |  |
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| Something to hide? on 22:53 - Jun 1 with 1441 views | Bugs |
| Something to hide? on 22:40 - Jun 1 by Oldsmoker |
Boris has actually said that the Covid enquiry should have his whatsap messages.
Is Sunak saying "No Boris, I won't let you throw yourself under the bus" or is he not saying "Oh sh*t, those messages stitch me up like a kipper". |
I read that Johnson is okay giving messages from a point in 2021 onwards, but those before that date were on another phone that he was told to stop using for security reasons. So he couldn't provide those messages before that date
I'm not sure if Johnson knew that WhatsApp messages are server based and should be retrievable from before that date.... maybe he does now know. I expect there was a WTF are you doing from the government towards Boris. Hence, this desperate challenge in the courts from the government to keep them hidden. [Post edited 1 Jun 2023 22:54]
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| Something to hide? on 08:05 - Jun 2 with 1308 views | ITFC_Forever |
Blatantly. |  |
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| Something to hide? on 08:32 - Jun 2 with 1292 views | Herbivore |
They are saying that they know they'll probably lose the judicial review but they're going ahead anyway. Seems an excellent use of public funds during a cost of living crisis and economic stagnation for the government to be spending money bringing a judicial review against an inquiry that they themselves commissioned. Calling us a banana republic at this point would be an insult to banana republics. |  |
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| Something to hide? on 08:46 - Jun 2 with 1271 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Something to hide? on 08:32 - Jun 2 by Herbivore |
They are saying that they know they'll probably lose the judicial review but they're going ahead anyway. Seems an excellent use of public funds during a cost of living crisis and economic stagnation for the government to be spending money bringing a judicial review against an inquiry that they themselves commissioned. Calling us a banana republic at this point would be an insult to banana republics. |
I was listening to Alastair Campbell talking about this yesterday with Rory Stewart. He was saying the same about the Hutton inquiry. Blair set it up and was fully behind the inquiry but the Civil Servants weren’t happy when Hutton wanted Campbell’s and Blair’s private messages with civil servants.
He believes that Sunak is acting under advice from the civil service who are against releasing private messages as it would open up all private conversations between ministers and the civil service, which in turn would lead to less frank and honest discussions.
I’m sure that there is a lot if damning stuff from Johnson, especially as he speaks before he thinks, and Sunak would love to finally bury him. But this decision appears to be coming from Whitehall rather than Downing Street.
EDIT. Meant to add that both Stewart and Campbell concluded that all message should be handed over as requested. This is a serious inquiry and lessons need to be learned. [Post edited 2 Jun 2023 10:33]
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| Something to hide? on 08:51 - Jun 2 with 1261 views | DanTheMan |
| Something to hide? on 08:46 - Jun 2 by GlasgowBlue |
I was listening to Alastair Campbell talking about this yesterday with Rory Stewart. He was saying the same about the Hutton inquiry. Blair set it up and was fully behind the inquiry but the Civil Servants weren’t happy when Hutton wanted Campbell’s and Blair’s private messages with civil servants.
He believes that Sunak is acting under advice from the civil service who are against releasing private messages as it would open up all private conversations between ministers and the civil service, which in turn would lead to less frank and honest discussions.
I’m sure that there is a lot if damning stuff from Johnson, especially as he speaks before he thinks, and Sunak would love to finally bury him. But this decision appears to be coming from Whitehall rather than Downing Street.
EDIT. Meant to add that both Stewart and Campbell concluded that all message should be handed over as requested. This is a serious inquiry and lessons need to be learned. [Post edited 2 Jun 2023 10:33]
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Weirdly Johnson has offered to hand over his parts unredacted anyway.
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| Something to hide? on 09:15 - Jun 2 with 1231 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Something to hide? on 08:51 - Jun 2 by DanTheMan |
Weirdly Johnson has offered to hand over his parts unredacted anyway.
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This is now party political with Johnson's team, who have always wanted to bring down Sunak, seeing an opportunity to do so.
Johnson knows there is nothing overly incriminating in those messages for him, or nothing we didn't already know, so this is about who else and what else was said.
As someone else has pointed out, he is also only offering up information from May 2021 onwards, nothing from before. The most damning data and leaks so far was from the 12 months previously, so there is an assumption this is an easy 'win' for Johnson. |  | | |
| Something to hide? on 09:27 - Jun 2 with 1216 views | Mookamoo |
| Something to hide? on 22:53 - Jun 1 by Bugs |
I read that Johnson is okay giving messages from a point in 2021 onwards, but those before that date were on another phone that he was told to stop using for security reasons. So he couldn't provide those messages before that date
I'm not sure if Johnson knew that WhatsApp messages are server based and should be retrievable from before that date.... maybe he does now know. I expect there was a WTF are you doing from the government towards Boris. Hence, this desperate challenge in the courts from the government to keep them hidden. [Post edited 1 Jun 2023 22:54]
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I'm not sure I understand the whole old phone thing.
Even if Johnson was told not to turn it on, someone must have to see what was on it and the possible security issues.
Also - did Sue Gray not want to see that phone? |  | | |
| Something to hide? on 09:30 - Jun 2 with 1202 views | itfcjoe |
| Something to hide? on 08:51 - Jun 2 by DanTheMan |
Weirdly Johnson has offered to hand over his parts unredacted anyway.
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Johnson is more than happy to bring Sunak down, even if it is a Kamikaze mission, because he is sheltered from the repercussions when getting hundreds of thousands of pounds for each speech he makes |  |
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| Something to hide? on 10:22 - Jun 2 with 1134 views | DanTheMan |
| Something to hide? on 09:30 - Jun 2 by itfcjoe |
Johnson is more than happy to bring Sunak down, even if it is a Kamikaze mission, because he is sheltered from the repercussions when getting hundreds of thousands of pounds for each speech he makes |
I did wonder if that was the case. | |
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