| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps 13:37 - Jun 8 with 4249 views | the_toff |
Children too. What the heck is wrong with people? |  | | |  |
| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 12:08 - Jun 9 with 1643 views | wkj |
Good lord - one of the time you would think people would be universally condemning the act and showing remorse for the fallen and it has devolved in to point scoring about the residential status of the assailant.
This should never be allowed to happen in a civilised society, tragic and pointless loss of human life. [Post edited 9 Jun 2023 12:09]
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| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 12:13 - Jun 9 with 1628 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 12:08 - Jun 9 by wkj |
Good lord - one of the time you would think people would be universally condemning the act and showing remorse for the fallen and it has devolved in to point scoring about the residential status of the assailant.
This should never be allowed to happen in a civilised society, tragic and pointless loss of human life. [Post edited 9 Jun 2023 12:09]
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I also think that's it's worth remembering that many asylum seekers are very damaged in terms of what they have been through in their own country, yet lack the support when arriving to a new home.
This isn't excusing this man's actions, and he may well be an absolute cunit. But it's far too soon to jump to conclusions with regards to motivation.
Thoughts should always be with the victims first. I also apply this to when we see mass shootings in the USA ands too many people are quick to jump onboard the political point scoring wagon. |  |
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| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 12:47 - Jun 9 with 1604 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 11:01 - Jun 9 by Grandpa |
You're right, of course, but our civilised ideal keeps being visited by evil & sorry, but because it just keeps happening, I think enough time has been wasted on poncing about trying to "understand" their motives, because time & again, by definition, it's proved beyond any reasonable doubt that this "civil" approach just doesn't work.
There will be accusations that we "shouldn't sink to their level", but the more who are shot dead at the earliest opportunity & thrown into the foulest, deepest cesspit is all the world needs to know & will be a more effective deterrent |
No it won't. The Death Penalty has been proven not to be a deterrent. One nutter on the loose now and again doesn't mean rehabilitation doesn't work either. You're responding emotively rather than based on facts. |  |
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| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 12:48 - Jun 9 with 1603 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 11:06 - Jun 9 by Grandpa |
Why's it a "very odd post"?
Don't tell me you agree with stabbing children? [Post edited 9 Jun 2023 11:48]
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Of course not, don't be so stupid. | |
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| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 12:54 - Jun 9 with 1598 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 11:06 - Jun 9 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Why is it odd? |
"big brave boy" - I find this odd because it suggests a coward where I rather suspect it's mental illness to do such a thing.
"have been shot dead immediately & thrown in the deepest cesspit on Earth" - not content with the death penalty but the fact that that's not enough and the body should be "thrown in the deepest cesspit on Earth" is just very odd.
"Sorry, no comedy from me on this subject" - like who was even contemplating comedy on this subject?!
There's 3 reasons why it's odd. | |
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| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 13:19 - Jun 9 with 1586 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 12:54 - Jun 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"big brave boy" - I find this odd because it suggests a coward where I rather suspect it's mental illness to do such a thing.
"have been shot dead immediately & thrown in the deepest cesspit on Earth" - not content with the death penalty but the fact that that's not enough and the body should be "thrown in the deepest cesspit on Earth" is just very odd.
"Sorry, no comedy from me on this subject" - like who was even contemplating comedy on this subject?!
There's 3 reasons why it's odd. |
You are answering different poster's question. That wasn't my post but I agree with him.
Mental illness or cowardice this evil deserves a hell in prison for the rest of his life. I hope he will be begging for death. No place in this world for monsters like him.
He should have been shot dead by the police.
You do try to find some mitigating circumstances and this is really odd. |  | | |
| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 13:57 - Jun 9 with 1561 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 13:19 - Jun 9 by Mach_foreignBlue |
You are answering different poster's question. That wasn't my post but I agree with him.
Mental illness or cowardice this evil deserves a hell in prison for the rest of his life. I hope he will be begging for death. No place in this world for monsters like him.
He should have been shot dead by the police.
You do try to find some mitigating circumstances and this is really odd. |
"You are answering different poster's question."
No I'm not. I thought Grandpa's post was odd and replied that to Grandpa's post.
How am I trying to find mitigating circumstances? You've said yourself, "Mental illness or cowardice" so you accept mental illness as an option. I don't disagree that it's still evil. | |
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| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 14:30 - Jun 9 with 1531 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 13:57 - Jun 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"You are answering different poster's question."
No I'm not. I thought Grandpa's post was odd and replied that to Grandpa's post.
How am I trying to find mitigating circumstances? You've said yourself, "Mental illness or cowardice" so you accept mental illness as an option. I don't disagree that it's still evil. |
So you answer Grandpa in my post. Strange but ... never mind !
Because you're trying to use mental illness as an excuse. There is no excuse whatsoever for what he has done.
The only option I accept is this evil has a hell in prison for the rest of his life. Unfortunately it's a wishful thinking because it's within European Union and given the fact he comes from Middle East he'll be treated in a humanitarian way and eventually released from the prison in a few years time. | | | |
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| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 14:44 - Jun 9 with 1514 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 14:30 - Jun 9 by Mach_foreignBlue |
So you answer Grandpa in my post. Strange but ... never mind !
Because you're trying to use mental illness as an excuse. There is no excuse whatsoever for what he has done.
The only option I accept is this evil has a hell in prison for the rest of his life. Unfortunately it's a wishful thinking because it's within European Union and given the fact he comes from Middle East he'll be treated in a humanitarian way and eventually released from the prison in a few years time. |
What are you talking about? I replied to Grandap's post, I didn't reply to anything of yours (until you asked me why his post was odd).
Where have I said mental illness is an excuse?
Someone called it cowardice, I simply said I thought it was more likely mental illness to do something like this. I did not say, or even remotely imply, that made it ok, in any way. | |
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| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 14:48 - Jun 9 with 1506 views | baxterbasics |
I would suggest any adult human who has murdered children has something mentally wrong with them, regardless of how else we choose to categorize them. |  |
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| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 14:55 - Jun 9 with 1487 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 14:44 - Jun 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What are you talking about? I replied to Grandap's post, I didn't reply to anything of yours (until you asked me why his post was odd).
Where have I said mental illness is an excuse?
Someone called it cowardice, I simply said I thought it was more likely mental illness to do something like this. I did not say, or even remotely imply, that made it ok, in any way. |
Because it sounds so. He has committed an atrocity and that is what we all should know.
You have also said that in other cases there could be some 'motives'. There are no motives behind random attacks on random adults too. | | | |
| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 15:06 - Jun 9 with 1448 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 14:55 - Jun 9 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Because it sounds so. He has committed an atrocity and that is what we all should know.
You have also said that in other cases there could be some 'motives'. There are no motives behind random attacks on random adults too. |
Yes there are. The motives can be because they feel rejected, they want to prove a point, in case of many religion based terrorist attacks the motives are that they believe they are acting on behalf of their god.
But to be clear, nobody is saying these motives are good motives, nobody is saying that these motives excuse the actions, nobody is justifying anything and nobody has stated what's happened in France is nothing short of utterly disgusting and the perpetrator deserves the hardest possible punishment he can get. [Post edited 9 Jun 2023 15:07]
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| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 15:31 - Jun 9 with 1419 views | blueasfook |
| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 12:05 - Jun 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Someone who thinks society has wronged them? Racism? A terrorist or religious fundamentalist? Someone trying to prove themselves to get in a gang? Someone who wants drugs or money? Road rage? Someone fleeing another crime? There are loads of reasons why someone might stab an adult stranger.
I'm not saying they're good motives but they are motives for some. Stabbing a 2 year old stranger who doesn't even know anything about the world yet, is completely defenceless and of no consequence or harm to anyone else, doesn't appear to have any motive. |
The Manchester Arena bomber targeted kids. That wasnt about being mentally ill. Just pure evil. [Post edited 9 Jun 2023 15:32]
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| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 17:06 - Jun 9 with 1376 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 14:55 - Jun 9 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Because it sounds so. He has committed an atrocity and that is what we all should know.
You have also said that in other cases there could be some 'motives'. There are no motives behind random attacks on random adults too. |
Are you going to apologise and admit you got it wrong, that I replied to Grandpa and not you?
"Because it sounds so"?!? Don't make up what I said just because it suits a weird attack on me. "He has committed an atrocity and that is what we all should know." Who has said otherwise?!
I said to Joe that there can be motives for someone stabbing strangers who are adults (when he suggested there weren't). And there are. I literally listed them. | |
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| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 17:16 - Jun 9 with 1369 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 15:31 - Jun 9 by blueasfook |
The Manchester Arena bomber targeted kids. That wasnt about being mentally ill. Just pure evil. [Post edited 9 Jun 2023 15:32]
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He targeted everyone who was there, kids and adults. The oldest killed was a 51-year-old woman. However, it was suggested he was motivated by the injustice of Muslim children dying in bombings led by America. So may well have been targeting as many kids as possible. Or them and their parents. Bombers are a different kettle of fish, they just go for as many people as possible.
I'm talking about specifically stabbing 2 and 3 years olds. That's what I can't get my head around and makes this even more shocking for me than adults being stabbed. | |
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| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 17:52 - Jun 9 with 1347 views | Mach_foreignBlue |
| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 17:06 - Jun 9 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Are you going to apologise and admit you got it wrong, that I replied to Grandpa and not you?
"Because it sounds so"?!? Don't make up what I said just because it suits a weird attack on me. "He has committed an atrocity and that is what we all should know." Who has said otherwise?!
I said to Joe that there can be motives for someone stabbing strangers who are adults (when he suggested there weren't). And there are. I literally listed them. |
Dear me ! How weird you are !
Next time when you an answer to Grandpa's post do it directly by clicking 'reply' to his post , same when you answer to me. That will make things easier to all.
A weird attack on you? First, stop getting paranoid, and second be clear with you have in your mind because it looked as if you were trying to excuse him by waffling about 'mental illness'.
Why are you such desperate for an argument? What's wrong with you?
Whatever you said to Joe it is only your opinion. Adults can be attacked for no reason. | | | |
| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 18:05 - Jun 9 with 1341 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 17:52 - Jun 9 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Dear me ! How weird you are !
Next time when you an answer to Grandpa's post do it directly by clicking 'reply' to his post , same when you answer to me. That will make things easier to all.
A weird attack on you? First, stop getting paranoid, and second be clear with you have in your mind because it looked as if you were trying to excuse him by waffling about 'mental illness'.
Why are you such desperate for an argument? What's wrong with you?
Whatever you said to Joe it is only your opinion. Adults can be attacked for no reason. |
TFS’ comments were fine. Mental illness is real and is taken into account in law and sentencing through diminished responsibility charges. Obviously anyone with severe mental illness that leads them to do something like this shouldn’t escape justice, but it’s still an illness all the same. I doubt shooting them is the answer. |  |
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| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 18:20 - Jun 9 with 1319 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 17:52 - Jun 9 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Dear me ! How weird you are !
Next time when you an answer to Grandpa's post do it directly by clicking 'reply' to his post , same when you answer to me. That will make things easier to all.
A weird attack on you? First, stop getting paranoid, and second be clear with you have in your mind because it looked as if you were trying to excuse him by waffling about 'mental illness'.
Why are you such desperate for an argument? What's wrong with you?
Whatever you said to Joe it is only your opinion. Adults can be attacked for no reason. |
It's not me who's weird here. Or even looking for an argument, seeing as it's you who replied to me first. I suggest you go back and have a look, I replied directly to Grandpa's post by clicking 'reply' to his post.
Of course adults can be attacked for no reason. I haven't said they can't. Joe said there's no motives for stabbing strangers and I disagreed, whilst listing several. That's not the same as adults are never attacked for no reason!
How are you able to work a computer when you're this dumb? | |
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| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 18:31 - Jun 9 with 1294 views | MattinLondon |
| Just read about the stabbings in the French Alps on 11:05 - Jun 9 by Mach_foreignBlue |
Because it's got to be about victims.
Prevention is better than the cure? Bang on, speak to the politicians and their policies.
By ignoring it society will allow it to grow......what? Again, it is nowt to do with the society, it is about politicians and their decisions. [Post edited 9 Jun 2023 11:08]
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Politicians tend to generate their views from public opinion. Very few go against the general tide and make themselves unpopular.
The popular press has for a number of years been using language akin to ‘hang-em high’. If politicians state that they want to understand the root causes of terrorism rather than using that rhetoric then they would be criticised by ‘The Sun’, ‘The Mail’ etc.
The public fuel what the media prints - terrorism has everything to do with society. |  | | |
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