| Musk sharing this transphobic meme 09:26 - Jun 10 with 7000 views | Mullet |
While it probably stirs a giggle from the middle-aged and mentally stunted it's aimed at, it's pretty unreal that social media is still the Wild West in terms of content and spreading of hate from influential figures.
I guess it's no different to a Op Ed in the right wing press from a famous "journalist" with a large circulation in many ways. But it being so distilled and easily accessed blows my mind when I think about it. |  |
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| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 10:57 - Jun 10 with 2492 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 10:29 - Jun 10 by matt92 |
The post says "we'll let the kindergarten teacher decide", implying that transness is forced upon kids, not their own choice. So yes, it's spreading hateful disinformation. |
There is definitely pressure put on 'western' kids to declare an 'identity' ridiculously early in life which in reality is fluid and should be given time and space to form. This pressure is definitely not applied by kindergarten teachers though.
Thank you though Tony for politicising identity to distract from your sh1t real politics of continued neo conservatism. |  |
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| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 11:10 - Jun 10 with 2461 views | EastAnglianBoy |
Genuinely of the opinion that we should "live and let live" when it comes to letting people live how they see fit (as long as they dont harm others etc).
But for goodness sake. There's definitely a push on to shove this ridiculous agenda down our throats. Nobody cares if you're gay or trans- just like im sure they dont care if we're straight etc- why do we need to be told CONSTANTLY? |  | | |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 11:26 - Jun 10 with 2405 views | DJR |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 11:10 - Jun 10 by EastAnglianBoy |
Genuinely of the opinion that we should "live and let live" when it comes to letting people live how they see fit (as long as they dont harm others etc).
But for goodness sake. There's definitely a push on to shove this ridiculous agenda down our throats. Nobody cares if you're gay or trans- just like im sure they dont care if we're straight etc- why do we need to be told CONSTANTLY? |
The Gender Recognition Act was passed in 2004 without a murmur. But trans rights have become an issue because it forms part of the culture wars. Indeed, there was a time when the Scottish changes to the law led to papers like the Mail having something like 5 to 10 anti-trans articles on its website each day. So I think the issue in this country is being thrown down our throats by the right wing press. [Post edited 10 Jun 2023 12:19]
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| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 11:27 - Jun 10 with 2394 views | Kievthegreat |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 11:10 - Jun 10 by EastAnglianBoy |
Genuinely of the opinion that we should "live and let live" when it comes to letting people live how they see fit (as long as they dont harm others etc).
But for goodness sake. There's definitely a push on to shove this ridiculous agenda down our throats. Nobody cares if you're gay or trans- just like im sure they dont care if we're straight etc- why do we need to be told CONSTANTLY? |
Now maybe you are sincere in your post, but you're covering a lot of squares in the bigot bingo card. Start with the "live and let live" and end with the agenda being shoved down our throats. Throw in the subtle implication that some people are being harmful, protest that you don't care before shouting in all caps about the thing you don't care about.
Also, a lot of people violently and aggressively care if people are gay or trans. Spurred on by the press and a government looking for an easy target to attack. |  | | |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 11:56 - Jun 10 with 2329 views | EastAnglianBoy |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 11:27 - Jun 10 by Kievthegreat |
Now maybe you are sincere in your post, but you're covering a lot of squares in the bigot bingo card. Start with the "live and let live" and end with the agenda being shoved down our throats. Throw in the subtle implication that some people are being harmful, protest that you don't care before shouting in all caps about the thing you don't care about.
Also, a lot of people violently and aggressively care if people are gay or trans. Spurred on by the press and a government looking for an easy target to attack. |
I'm not anti any race, creed or colour- or sexuality etc etc.
But what I also dont do is label people as "gay", "trans", "white" "straight" etc. Does anyone walk down the street looking at others and think "oh he looks/sounds/acts gay"- that seems homosexual to me?!
I dont know what that makes me- I also completely accept that because I'm a white straight man I dont know about the issues they have and how they want to portray themselves but I'm not bigoted.
*shrug* [Post edited 10 Jun 2023 11:58]
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| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 12:13 - Jun 10 with 2289 views | matt92 |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 10:33 - Jun 10 by lowhouseblue |
but it's a joke. it's satire. you may disagree with the premise but that doesn't make it hate. if kids are still in kindergarten any sense of 'choosing' is pretty ridiculous in any case. it's humour. |
Of course satire can be hateful. Do you make jokes at the expense of disabled people, or based on race? It’s exactly the same premise, it’s indecent, disrespectful and harmful. These things are not okay. Catch up. | | | |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 12:23 - Jun 10 with 2264 views | lowhouseblue |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 12:13 - Jun 10 by matt92 |
Of course satire can be hateful. Do you make jokes at the expense of disabled people, or based on race? It’s exactly the same premise, it’s indecent, disrespectful and harmful. These things are not okay. Catch up. |
"at the expense of" is doing all the work for you there. humour and satire can be about an issue without being at anyone's "expense". finding humour in all aspects of life doesn't involve hate and isn't indecent or harmful and it's part of what what makes us human. grow up. |  |
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| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 12:38 - Jun 10 with 2232 views | Guthrum |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 11:10 - Jun 10 by EastAnglianBoy |
Genuinely of the opinion that we should "live and let live" when it comes to letting people live how they see fit (as long as they dont harm others etc).
But for goodness sake. There's definitely a push on to shove this ridiculous agenda down our throats. Nobody cares if you're gay or trans- just like im sure they dont care if we're straight etc- why do we need to be told CONSTANTLY? |
There are certain people who are keen to 'shove this ... agenda down our throats' for their own ends.
Tran activists, who are fighting for their rights in a (sometimes murderously) prejudiced world.
Their bitter enemies in the TERF (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist) movement, who see it a false equivalence and an encroachment upon their own hard-won progress over the last several decades.
But the real villains are those using faux outrage over an issue affecting relatively small numbers of people to push their political prospects and fuel media sales. Who are creating an environment of fear over toilets and prisons. Who are constantly exaggerating gender identity situations, such as what is discussed in school. Who try to give the impression that every angry reactionary is somehow under threat from a "plague" of "corruption", to turn them into a vote or newspaper sale.
That is why we are being told 'CONSTANTLY', not because we need to be, but because some people are doing it deliberately to keep the outrage levels high and thus promote their own influence and income. |  |
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| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 12:41 - Jun 10 with 2209 views | matt92 |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 12:23 - Jun 10 by lowhouseblue |
"at the expense of" is doing all the work for you there. humour and satire can be about an issue without being at anyone's "expense". finding humour in all aspects of life doesn't involve hate and isn't indecent or harmful and it's part of what what makes us human. grow up. |
Let me rephrase then, do you make jokes about minorities? Why or why not? | | | |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 12:49 - Jun 10 with 2185 views | BlueBadger |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 11:10 - Jun 10 by EastAnglianBoy |
Genuinely of the opinion that we should "live and let live" when it comes to letting people live how they see fit (as long as they dont harm others etc).
But for goodness sake. There's definitely a push on to shove this ridiculous agenda down our throats. Nobody cares if you're gay or trans- just like im sure they dont care if we're straight etc- why do we need to be told CONSTANTLY? |
Interesting how the 'I'm not homophobic but...' crowd are obsessed with things going down their throats. |  |
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| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 13:06 - Jun 10 with 2138 views | J2BLUE |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 12:38 - Jun 10 by Guthrum |
There are certain people who are keen to 'shove this ... agenda down our throats' for their own ends.
Tran activists, who are fighting for their rights in a (sometimes murderously) prejudiced world.
Their bitter enemies in the TERF (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist) movement, who see it a false equivalence and an encroachment upon their own hard-won progress over the last several decades.
But the real villains are those using faux outrage over an issue affecting relatively small numbers of people to push their political prospects and fuel media sales. Who are creating an environment of fear over toilets and prisons. Who are constantly exaggerating gender identity situations, such as what is discussed in school. Who try to give the impression that every angry reactionary is somehow under threat from a "plague" of "corruption", to turn them into a vote or newspaper sale.
That is why we are being told 'CONSTANTLY', not because we need to be, but because some people are doing it deliberately to keep the outrage levels high and thus promote their own influence and income. |
Question...is every woman who wants single sex spaces to remain automatically a TERF?
Twitter seems to be trans rights vs cis women's rights on a daily basis now.
I would quite like to go into this in more detail but frankly I can't be bothered with the backlash. I just wrote a long reply to DJR, read it back and the deleted it. [Post edited 10 Jun 2023 13:06]
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| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 13:13 - Jun 10 with 2093 views | BlueBadger |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 13:06 - Jun 10 by J2BLUE |
Question...is every woman who wants single sex spaces to remain automatically a TERF?
Twitter seems to be trans rights vs cis women's rights on a daily basis now.
I would quite like to go into this in more detail but frankly I can't be bothered with the backlash. I just wrote a long reply to DJR, read it back and the deleted it. [Post edited 10 Jun 2023 13:06]
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If she's saying trans women shouldn't be in those spaces? Yes. | |
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| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 13:40 - Jun 10 with 2034 views | Guthrum |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 13:06 - Jun 10 by J2BLUE |
Question...is every woman who wants single sex spaces to remain automatically a TERF?
Twitter seems to be trans rights vs cis women's rights on a daily basis now.
I would quite like to go into this in more detail but frankly I can't be bothered with the backlash. I just wrote a long reply to DJR, read it back and the deleted it. [Post edited 10 Jun 2023 13:06]
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No. However, TERFs are the ones actively involved in the debate, rather than bystanders who have an opinion. I say debate, but the whole thing has become so savage and both sides so entrenched that it's an area I, too, usually steer well clear of (I happen to have friends and friends of friends who are deeply involved in it, on both sides).
My post was aimed neither at Trans or TERF (both sides have their reasoning, whether one considers it valid or not), but specifically at the third category, those who are cynically taking advantage of the situation for gain or influence. They are the ones who have taken a fairly niche issue and plastered it all over the inflammatory press. They are the ones trying to stir outrage among those with little knowlege about or interaction with trans people, but anger to spare at the changing of the world. [Post edited 10 Jun 2023 13:41]
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| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 13:49 - Jun 10 with 2000 views | itfcjoe |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 13:06 - Jun 10 by J2BLUE |
Question...is every woman who wants single sex spaces to remain automatically a TERF?
Twitter seems to be trans rights vs cis women's rights on a daily basis now.
I would quite like to go into this in more detail but frankly I can't be bothered with the backlash. I just wrote a long reply to DJR, read it back and the deleted it. [Post edited 10 Jun 2023 13:06]
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One responder says yes, the other says no - think that about sums this up |  |
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| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 13:49 - Jun 10 with 2002 views | J2BLUE |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 13:40 - Jun 10 by Guthrum |
No. However, TERFs are the ones actively involved in the debate, rather than bystanders who have an opinion. I say debate, but the whole thing has become so savage and both sides so entrenched that it's an area I, too, usually steer well clear of (I happen to have friends and friends of friends who are deeply involved in it, on both sides).
My post was aimed neither at Trans or TERF (both sides have their reasoning, whether one considers it valid or not), but specifically at the third category, those who are cynically taking advantage of the situation for gain or influence. They are the ones who have taken a fairly niche issue and plastered it all over the inflammatory press. They are the ones trying to stir outrage among those with little knowlege about or interaction with trans people, but anger to spare at the changing of the world. [Post edited 10 Jun 2023 13:41]
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Thank you for the balanced reply. I agree with every word.
I find it incredibly stupid that people throw any cis woman who wants to maintain single sex spaces in the TERF category. I have no idea who that helps. I believe it has the opposite effect to what people hope. 5-10 years ago when people said this is where we were heading they were attacked and told there is a difference between sex and gender. Apparently now there isn't, unless you are transphobic.
For balance I also find the cis women attacking anyone M2F trans and calling them men incredibly stupid and needless. This also has the opposite effect to what they are hoping for. Anyone wanting to deny trans people rights that have no negative effect on any other group just for the sake of it are clearly transphobic.
I recognise these are the two extremes of the debate and I appreciate your balanced response. | |
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| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 13:50 - Jun 10 with 1984 views | BuffaloBill |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 10:26 - Jun 10 by BlueBadger |
...for bigots. |
You really are rather pathetic |  |
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| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 13:51 - Jun 10 with 1979 views | J2BLUE |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 13:49 - Jun 10 by itfcjoe |
One responder says yes, the other says no - think that about sums this up |
Yea it's disappointing that Guthers is a monstrous transphobe. | |
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| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 13:53 - Jun 10 with 1945 views | Swansea_Blue |
Another one who’s an attention seeker. Comes across as a nasty piece of work. |  |
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| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 14:23 - Jun 10 with 1869 views | DJR |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 13:06 - Jun 10 by J2BLUE |
Question...is every woman who wants single sex spaces to remain automatically a TERF?
Twitter seems to be trans rights vs cis women's rights on a daily basis now.
I would quite like to go into this in more detail but frankly I can't be bothered with the backlash. I just wrote a long reply to DJR, read it back and the deleted it. [Post edited 10 Jun 2023 13:06]
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You wouldn't have got a backlash from me. | | | |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 14:57 - Jun 10 with 1803 views | Mullet |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 10:12 - Jun 10 by BuffaloBill |
Don’t be a wet blanket, it’s a Fffing MEME |
There are innumerable memes about lynchings, rape, the holocaust, child porn etc you name it. They're not "just a meme".
You clearly don't understand the post or the point it seems. Regardless of differing views on transphobia. | |
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| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 15:03 - Jun 10 with 1781 views | Mullet |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 10:22 - Jun 10 by lowhouseblue |
does being satirical about the difference between biological sex (which is what pregnant mothers are interested in) and gender really count as 'hate'? if anything it reinforces the fact that gender can be chosen, by making a contrast with biological sex which is simply observed at birth. you're rather stretching to find offence here. |
With all due respect you clearly have no idea what a battleground it is becoming, especially in schools.
Students who openly transition face all sorts of issues, so do the schools and so do us teachers. From child protection, bullying, unfounded accusation and complaints etc.
The flipside is it opens up some really interesting discussions with pupils. Whether that's covering Pride month, Stonewall, etc. But this notion that teachers are grooming kids to be trans, encouraging it etc. is offensive and spreading from online nonsense like this too.
Having seen the effect it has had on pupils, it's the sort of thing I can only sympathise with. Being anything at school is hard enough, but being so far away from the norm and in a way that may or may not be "just a phase" takes a massive toll on mental health, friendship groups and social time.
The fact someone with such a reach and profile is pushing this irresponsibly is worthy of comment. | |
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| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 15:33 - Jun 10 with 1729 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 13:13 - Jun 10 by BlueBadger |
If she's saying trans women shouldn't be in those spaces? Yes. |
Being 'right on' doesn't always make you right. | |
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| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 19:25 - Jun 10 with 1580 views | BasingstokeBlue |
Elmo has always been a dick, remains so now and will continue into the future. |  |
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| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 19:37 - Jun 10 with 1541 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 10:12 - Jun 10 by BuffaloBill |
Don’t be a wet blanket, it’s a Fffing MEME |
Aah...
"It's just bantz".
Right? |  |
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| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 20:50 - Jun 10 with 1456 views | Guthrum |
| Musk sharing this transphobic meme on 13:49 - Jun 10 by J2BLUE |
Thank you for the balanced reply. I agree with every word.
I find it incredibly stupid that people throw any cis woman who wants to maintain single sex spaces in the TERF category. I have no idea who that helps. I believe it has the opposite effect to what people hope. 5-10 years ago when people said this is where we were heading they were attacked and told there is a difference between sex and gender. Apparently now there isn't, unless you are transphobic.
For balance I also find the cis women attacking anyone M2F trans and calling them men incredibly stupid and needless. This also has the opposite effect to what they are hoping for. Anyone wanting to deny trans people rights that have no negative effect on any other group just for the sake of it are clearly transphobic.
I recognise these are the two extremes of the debate and I appreciate your balanced response. |
One of the saddest aspects is that if both Trans and Radical Feminist activists were allied, fighting for better rights for all, there would likely be more progress. Instead, they have been divided into two bitterly opposed camps, distracted by fighting each other.
But then I'm a male who has never really questioned his birth gender (except in abtruse philosophical terms), so have none of the personal life experience to pass judgement either way. | |
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