| Cricket 11:04 - Jul 7 with 4428 views | Woolfenthen |
Fearing England could be skittled out for less than 100 this morning, Root gone after 2 balls, sigh! |  | | |  |
| Cricket on 11:14 - Jul 7 with 2307 views | Herbivore |
Really bad start. He can leave that on length, no need to have a waft at it. We really needed Root to stick around for a few hours to have any chance of a first innings lead. |  |
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| Cricket on 11:28 - Jul 7 with 2281 views | gainsboroughblue |
It's really winding me up just how easy we are making it for Aus. |  |
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| Cricket on 11:28 - Jul 7 with 2276 views | bluewein |
We're so sh1t it hurts... |  |
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| Cricket on 11:29 - Jul 7 with 2271 views | Samuelowen88 |
Good job we have Bairstow in rather than his foakes. All those runs he makes are really helpful |  |
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| Cricket on 11:29 - Jul 7 with 2261 views | the_toff |
Pathetic |  | | |
| Cricket on 11:30 - Jul 7 with 2256 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Cricket on 11:29 - Jul 7 by Samuelowen88 |
Good job we have Bairstow in rather than his foakes. All those runs he makes are really helpful |
He doesn't make runs after keeping.
Why go after something so wide. Pathetic. | | | |
| Cricket on 11:37 - Jul 7 with 2195 views | Herbivore |
| Cricket on 11:28 - Jul 7 by gainsboroughblue |
It's really winding me up just how easy we are making it for Aus. |
Yep. We are dropping multiple catches every innings, cost us over 150 runs yesterday, and then just giving wickets away. They aren't having to bowl especially good deliveries to get us out. So frustrating. I know they are better than us player for player (reckon a composite side could easily contain eight Aussies) but as a side we've shown we can bridge that gap much of the time, but these individual errors in every test are killing us. | |
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| Cricket on 11:42 - Jul 7 with 2163 views | bluewein |
| Cricket on 11:30 - Jul 7 by redrickstuhaart |
He doesn't make runs after keeping.
Why go after something so wide. Pathetic. |
Shouldn't have played in this test. Too much emotion after Lords, hometown crowd baying for blood and desperate to make a point. 2 dropped catches and a slash for 12 later and we're done.
Ashes is over. Swallow your pride and bring Foakes in for the last 2 tests... | |
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| Cricket on 11:42 - Jul 7 with 2161 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Cricket on 11:37 - Jul 7 by Herbivore |
Yep. We are dropping multiple catches every innings, cost us over 150 runs yesterday, and then just giving wickets away. They aren't having to bowl especially good deliveries to get us out. So frustrating. I know they are better than us player for player (reckon a composite side could easily contain eight Aussies) but as a side we've shown we can bridge that gap much of the time, but these individual errors in every test are killing us. |
I don't agree they are better player for player. Stokes, Root, Broad, Wood, Bairstow (not keeping) and possibly Brook would all have a chance in that Aussie side. | | | |
| Cricket on 11:45 - Jul 7 with 2125 views | gainsboroughblue |
| Cricket on 11:42 - Jul 7 by bluewein |
Shouldn't have played in this test. Too much emotion after Lords, hometown crowd baying for blood and desperate to make a point. 2 dropped catches and a slash for 12 later and we're done.
Ashes is over. Swallow your pride and bring Foakes in for the last 2 tests... |
I doubt they will. This new regime is irritatingly stubborn. You only have to see Duckett's interview with Aggers after day 3 of the last test. | |
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| Cricket on 11:47 - Jul 7 with 2099 views | Herbivore |
| Cricket on 11:42 - Jul 7 by redrickstuhaart |
I don't agree they are better player for player. Stokes, Root, Broad, Wood, Bairstow (not keeping) and possibly Brook would all have a chance in that Aussie side. |
Ahead of the likes of Labuschagbe, Smith, and Head? Can't see it. Stokes, if able to bowl properly, is better than Green but at the minute he's only really in as a batsman. | |
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| Cricket on 11:48 - Jul 7 with 2097 views | bluewein |
| Cricket on 11:45 - Jul 7 by gainsboroughblue |
I doubt they will. This new regime is irritatingly stubborn. You only have to see Duckett's interview with Aggers after day 3 of the last test. |
Oh, I agree. If you have a belief that getting out in the 90's is a good thing, then there's a very strange ideology going on there... | |
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| Cricket on 11:51 - Jul 7 with 2070 views | Ryorry |
| Cricket on 11:28 - Jul 7 by gainsboroughblue |
It's really winding me up just how easy we are making it for Aus. |
It’s a terrible hark back to the dreadful “England batting collapse” days, when that news was an inevitability.
Whatever it was that changed that (I can’t recall) - management/coaching changes, whatever - we need to do it again now. |  |
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| Cricket on 11:54 - Jul 7 with 2045 views | pointofblue |
| Cricket on 11:47 - Jul 7 by Herbivore |
Ahead of the likes of Labuschagbe, Smith, and Head? Can't see it. Stokes, if able to bowl properly, is better than Green but at the minute he's only really in as a batsman. |
I think Root would get in ahead of Head, at his peak anyway. I think going over to the IPL was a big mistake, whatever he tries to say to the contrary. | |
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| Cricket on 12:03 - Jul 7 with 2003 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Cricket on 11:47 - Jul 7 by Herbivore |
Ahead of the likes of Labuschagbe, Smith, and Head? Can't see it. Stokes, if able to bowl properly, is better than Green but at the minute he's only really in as a batsman. |
Obviously not ahead of their strongest players....
Not that Head is one of those. | | | |
| Cricket on 12:11 - Jul 7 with 1967 views | Herbivore |
| Cricket on 12:03 - Jul 7 by redrickstuhaart |
Obviously not ahead of their strongest players....
Not that Head is one of those. |
But if you're going through the line ups 1-11 then our best players are very much up against theirs. This test we had Brook at three and Root at four versus Labuschagne and Smith for them. No chance does Brook (or Pope for that matter) get in ahead of Labuschagne and I would imagine most would pick Smith ahead of Root. Head as a number 5 is currently a better option in that position than Bairstow or Brook, imo. He's been in excellent nick. | |
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| Cricket on 12:14 - Jul 7 with 1937 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Cricket on 12:11 - Jul 7 by Herbivore |
But if you're going through the line ups 1-11 then our best players are very much up against theirs. This test we had Brook at three and Root at four versus Labuschagne and Smith for them. No chance does Brook (or Pope for that matter) get in ahead of Labuschagne and I would imagine most would pick Smith ahead of Root. Head as a number 5 is currently a better option in that position than Bairstow or Brook, imo. He's been in excellent nick. |
You are gerrymandering it to make a bad point.
You dont pick Root ahead of Smith. You obviously pick both.
Probably Khawaja, Smith, Labsuchange, Root, Stokes, Bairstow, Broad, Wood, Cummins, Starc plus one other. | | | |
| Cricket on 12:14 - Jul 7 with 1937 views | pointofblue |
| Cricket on 12:11 - Jul 7 by Herbivore |
But if you're going through the line ups 1-11 then our best players are very much up against theirs. This test we had Brook at three and Root at four versus Labuschagne and Smith for them. No chance does Brook (or Pope for that matter) get in ahead of Labuschagne and I would imagine most would pick Smith ahead of Root. Head as a number 5 is currently a better option in that position than Bairstow or Brook, imo. He's been in excellent nick. |
Warner, Khawaja, Labuschagne, Smith, Root, Stokes, Carey (Foakes?), Cummins, Starc, Wood, Agar
When everyone's fit, I would imagine. | |
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| Cricket on 12:14 - Jul 7 with 1938 views | XYZ |
| Cricket on 12:11 - Jul 7 by Herbivore |
But if you're going through the line ups 1-11 then our best players are very much up against theirs. This test we had Brook at three and Root at four versus Labuschagne and Smith for them. No chance does Brook (or Pope for that matter) get in ahead of Labuschagne and I would imagine most would pick Smith ahead of Root. Head as a number 5 is currently a better option in that position than Bairstow or Brook, imo. He's been in excellent nick. |
Travis Head who is currently rated higher than any English batsman by the ICC?
https://www.espncricinfo.com/rankings/content/page/211270.html
That Travis Head? | | | |
| Cricket on 12:16 - Jul 7 with 1922 views | Samuelowen88 |
Stokes can't be doing his long term fitness any good playing right now can he.
If the ashes are gone after this test, does he rest himself? | |
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| Cricket on 12:23 - Jul 7 with 1879 views | redrickstuhaart |
Dont rate him particularly. Bairstow, pre injury, deserves place ahead of him. But either way, doesn't change the point being made. | | | |
| Cricket on 12:23 - Jul 7 with 1879 views | Plums |
| Cricket on 12:14 - Jul 7 by pointofblue |
Warner, Khawaja, Labuschagne, Smith, Root, Stokes, Carey (Foakes?), Cummins, Starc, Wood, Agar
When everyone's fit, I would imagine. |
That's the irony. Foakes would be the keeper in a joint side. So many of us saw this coming (there was even a thread on it before the series started). We have literally thrown the Ashes away through selection.
I hope I eat my words but I can't see it. |  |
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| Cricket on 12:26 - Jul 7 with 1867 views | Herbivore |
| Cricket on 12:14 - Jul 7 by redrickstuhaart |
You are gerrymandering it to make a bad point.
You dont pick Root ahead of Smith. You obviously pick both.
Probably Khawaja, Smith, Labsuchange, Root, Stokes, Bairstow, Broad, Wood, Cummins, Starc plus one other. |
I'm really not. It's pretty common, when picking a composite side, to look at it player for player through the line up otherwise you aren't comparing like for like. The fact that our best batsman might get in as the Aussies' number 5 is pretty telling.
Bairstow ahead of Carey as wicketkeeper is a bad shout, imo, and Stokes only gets in ahead of Green or Marsh if he's actually fit enough to bowl. It's pretty clear that they are the better side, player for player. | |
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| Cricket on 12:29 - Jul 7 with 1856 views | XYZ |
| Cricket on 12:23 - Jul 7 by redrickstuhaart |
Dont rate him particularly. Bairstow, pre injury, deserves place ahead of him. But either way, doesn't change the point being made. |
You're entitled to your opinion - the stats don't agree with you big time.
The question wasn't about "Bairstow pre-injury".
Bairstow - career average 36.88
Head - career average 46.41 | | | |
| Cricket on 12:30 - Jul 7 with 1855 views | Herbivore |
| Cricket on 12:14 - Jul 7 by pointofblue |
Warner, Khawaja, Labuschagne, Smith, Root, Stokes, Carey (Foakes?), Cummins, Starc, Wood, Agar
When everyone's fit, I would imagine. |
Agar or Lyon. Either way, it ends up being 8 Aussies in that line up and Root only gets in by dropping down the order (and on current form you could make a case for Head at 5 if you wanted to). And we're currently playing with an unfit Stokes, who is literally half the player a fit Stokes is. | |
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