| Nigel Farage on 14:42 - Jul 20 with 2483 views | Blueschev |
Not like you to use selected quotes with no context in order to prove a point, not that you've really done that here as your example hardly makes him an apologist. |  | |  |
| Nigel Farage on 15:09 - Jul 20 with 2430 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Nigel Farage on 14:42 - Jul 20 by Blueschev |
Not like you to use selected quotes with no context in order to prove a point, not that you've really done that here as your example hardly makes him an apologist. |
"Similarly, today, we are told with cast-iron certainty that Assad ordered this week’s chemical attack and that he is an evil man in the Saddam mould.
Naturally, President Assad denies using chemical weapons and his claim is backed by his Russian allies.
Indeed, considering that Assad has been in a stronger position than at any point in the past five years, what would be the point in inviting widespread censure for ordering such an illegal and horrific attack"?
Just repeating Assad/ Putin propaganda over the chemical attacks which the OPCW confirmed was launched by Assad. |  |
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| Nigel Farage on 16:24 - Jul 20 with 2394 views | Blueschev |
| Nigel Farage on 15:09 - Jul 20 by GlasgowBlue |
"Similarly, today, we are told with cast-iron certainty that Assad ordered this week’s chemical attack and that he is an evil man in the Saddam mould.
Naturally, President Assad denies using chemical weapons and his claim is backed by his Russian allies.
Indeed, considering that Assad has been in a stronger position than at any point in the past five years, what would be the point in inviting widespread censure for ordering such an illegal and horrific attack"?
Just repeating Assad/ Putin propaganda over the chemical attacks which the OPCW confirmed was launched by Assad. |
The OPCW was published in 2023 and you're quoting an opinion piece from 2018 that does not categorically apportion blame to any one party, but was however sceptical of the West's official position. Which given the history of our involvement in that part of the world in the 21st century was not without justification. The article in its entirety is linked below.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/we-have-a-moral-duty-to-mistrust-the-governm | | | |
| Nigel Farage on 16:37 - Jul 20 with 2347 views | DJR |
| Nigel Farage on 12:28 - Jul 20 by HARRY10 |
"prevailing establishment "
who they ? |
I said prevailing establishment view, namely, prevailing view of the establishment (which view can change over time) but don't take it from me that there is such a thing and that certain views can be suppressed, George Orwell also took this view.
I've quoted these words of his before, but I never tire of reading them or anything else he wrote..
"Unpopular ideas can be silenced, and inconvenient facts kept dark, without the need for any official ban. Anyone who has lived long in a foreign country will know of instances of sensational items of news—things which on their own merits would get the big headlines—being kept right out of the British press, not because the Government intervened but because of a general tacit agreement that ‘it wouldn’t do’ to mention that particular fact. So far as the daily newspapers go, this is easy to understand. The British press is extremely centralised, and most of it is owned by wealthy men who have every motive to be dishonest on certain important topics. But the same kind of veiled censorship also operates in books and periodicals, as well as in plays, films and radio. At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed that all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to say this, that or the other, but it is ‘not done’ to say it. Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with surprising effectiveness. A genuinely unfashionable opinion is almost never given a fair hearing, either in the popular press or in the highbrow periodicals." [Post edited 20 Jul 2023 17:23]
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| Nigel Farage on 16:41 - Jul 20 with 2331 views | DJR |
| Nigel Farage on 12:34 - Jul 20 by DanTheMan |
Whilst he's raising a potentially valid point about the Muslims whose bank accounts were closed, this is not the same as what has happened to Farage.
For what it is also worth, I quickly saw one of the stories that flashed up and went and had a dig.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28553921
What seems to be happening here is HSBC think they've found something that appears dodgy but probably not enough to report to the authorities and so on the balance of risk vs. reward, they close the accounts. As far as I'm aware, they aren't actually allowed to tell you why (I may be misremembering the FCA rules here) but essentially if you find something that looks off, you are absolutely not allowed to say to the entity about what you've discovered, it's a massive no no.
Obviously, I'm not privy to all the details, but judging by HSBCs statement I'd guess that was the reason. To be clear, I'm not saying I agree with what they've done, but this is how it works. |
To be honest, I haven't really investigated the Farage case that much (not least because I am not sure we still know the whole story), so I bow to your superior knowledge. [Post edited 20 Jul 2023 17:23]
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| Nigel Farage on 18:02 - Jul 20 with 2286 views | DJR |
| Nigel Farage on 16:37 - Jul 20 by DJR |
I said prevailing establishment view, namely, prevailing view of the establishment (which view can change over time) but don't take it from me that there is such a thing and that certain views can be suppressed, George Orwell also took this view.
I've quoted these words of his before, but I never tire of reading them or anything else he wrote..
"Unpopular ideas can be silenced, and inconvenient facts kept dark, without the need for any official ban. Anyone who has lived long in a foreign country will know of instances of sensational items of news—things which on their own merits would get the big headlines—being kept right out of the British press, not because the Government intervened but because of a general tacit agreement that ‘it wouldn’t do’ to mention that particular fact. So far as the daily newspapers go, this is easy to understand. The British press is extremely centralised, and most of it is owned by wealthy men who have every motive to be dishonest on certain important topics. But the same kind of veiled censorship also operates in books and periodicals, as well as in plays, films and radio. At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed that all right-thinking people will accept without question. It is not exactly forbidden to say this, that or the other, but it is ‘not done’ to say it. Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with surprising effectiveness. A genuinely unfashionable opinion is almost never given a fair hearing, either in the popular press or in the highbrow periodicals." [Post edited 20 Jul 2023 17:23]
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Following on from my mention of George Orwell in connection with Peter Oborne's banishment, I came across this on his Wikipedia page.
"In October 2019, Oborne wrote an article about how journalists and the media are being used by Downing Street to get their false news out, saying: "It's chilling. From the Mail, The Times to the BBC and ITN, everyone is peddling Downing Street's lies and smears. They're turning their readers into dupes." The article was rejected by The Daily Mail, The Spectator, and Channel 4's Dispatches, and Oborne published it on openDemocracy. Oborne said: "This article marked the end of my thirty-year-long career as a writer and broadcaster in the mainstream British press and media. I had been a regular presenter on Radio 4's The Week in Westminster for more than two decades. It ceased to use me, without explanation. I parted company on reasonably friendly terms with the Daily Mail after our disagreement." In an interview with Channel 4 News, he said that the journalists being used by the UK government include BBC News's Laura Kuenssberg and ITV News's Robert Peston." [Post edited 20 Jul 2023 18:04]
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| Nigel Farage on 19:21 - Jul 20 with 2231 views | Oldsmoker |
| Nigel Farage on 12:34 - Jul 20 by DanTheMan |
Whilst he's raising a potentially valid point about the Muslims whose bank accounts were closed, this is not the same as what has happened to Farage.
For what it is also worth, I quickly saw one of the stories that flashed up and went and had a dig.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28553921
What seems to be happening here is HSBC think they've found something that appears dodgy but probably not enough to report to the authorities and so on the balance of risk vs. reward, they close the accounts. As far as I'm aware, they aren't actually allowed to tell you why (I may be misremembering the FCA rules here) but essentially if you find something that looks off, you are absolutely not allowed to say to the entity about what you've discovered, it's a massive no no.
Obviously, I'm not privy to all the details, but judging by HSBCs statement I'd guess that was the reason. To be clear, I'm not saying I agree with what they've done, but this is how it works. |
I'm with a certain online bank run by HSBC.
In 2012 I received a letter from HSBC wanting to known why a 5 figure sum had appeared in my current account.
It was the settlement from my mum's will.
The letter made very clear about the laws on money laundering and their obligation under UK law to report it to HMRC. I wrote back, explaining the situation and gave them the Law firms name who dealt with the estate.
That got them off my back. I can only talk about my bank, as I have no knowledge of what other banks do, but it seems they have a department that is very active and dedicated to doing the right thing.
I recall that HSBC were fined £63million in 2021 by the FCA for money laundering so maybe they dropped a ball.
Now, I'm not saying that HSBC or anyone (including me) is suggesting that Nigel Farage is a dodgy character..........
......but if someone mentions Spiv I immediately think of Farage before George Cole. |  |
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| Nigel Farage on 21:08 - Jul 20 with 2171 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Nigel Farage on 16:41 - Jul 20 by DJR |
To be honest, I haven't really investigated the Farage case that much (not least because I am not sure we still know the whole story), so I bow to your superior knowledge. [Post edited 20 Jul 2023 17:23]
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Coutts have apologised for telling the truth
They described Farage as a “disingenuous grifter” who promotes “xenophobic, chauvinistic and racist views”
That’s not untrue. |  | | |
| Nigel Farage on 22:52 - Jul 20 with 2107 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Nigel Farage on 21:08 - Jul 20 by ElderGrizzly |
Coutts have apologised for telling the truth
They described Farage as a “disingenuous grifter” who promotes “xenophobic, chauvinistic and racist views”
That’s not untrue. |
Yeah, they’re spot on with that. And not wanting to be associated with those ‘values’ doesn’t make it political either. Farage is the one who’s making it political, again. He’s like a puss filled boil you can’t lance.
I bet I’d get rejected from Coutts - I wouldn’t bleat about it all over the media. And the media and government should both hang their heads in shame for bowing to him. Again. Have they learnt nothing from dancing to his tune for the last decade? |  |
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| Nigel Farage on 23:23 - Jul 20 with 2077 views | lowhouseblue |
| Nigel Farage on 22:52 - Jul 20 by Swansea_Blue |
Yeah, they’re spot on with that. And not wanting to be associated with those ‘values’ doesn’t make it political either. Farage is the one who’s making it political, again. He’s like a puss filled boil you can’t lance.
I bet I’d get rejected from Coutts - I wouldn’t bleat about it all over the media. And the media and government should both hang their heads in shame for bowing to him. Again. Have they learnt nothing from dancing to his tune for the last decade? |
the interesting question may be on what basis did the bbc decide to report that the account had been closed ONLY because farage no longer met the commercial cut offs. if that isn't strictly true (and the bbc can't substantiate its sources) the bbc may look very agenda driven? |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Nigel Farage on 18:20 - Jul 25 with 1788 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Nigel Farage on 23:23 - Jul 20 by lowhouseblue |
the interesting question may be on what basis did the bbc decide to report that the account had been closed ONLY because farage no longer met the commercial cut offs. if that isn't strictly true (and the bbc can't substantiate its sources) the bbc may look very agenda driven? |
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| Nigel Farage on 19:01 - Jul 25 with 1737 views | lowhouseblue |
farage is a wrong'un, but this is a very bad way for a bank ceo to behave. she clearly thought that giving the bbc reporter a false story over dinner which put farage in a bad light would be fine since no one would question it. i'm not really sure how she gets away with this and retains full confidence. and why has it taken so long for her to fess up - and why didn't she correct the record as soon as it was publicly shown to be false? | |
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| Nigel Farage on 19:21 - Jul 25 with 1699 views | BloomBlue |
Surely she needs to be sacked. A person's back account is private, she basically told the world one of her customers had less than £x. Why doesn't she tell us how much all her Customers have ie Sheikh *** has less that £xbillion in their account?
How any CEO can provide private details of a customer and not get sacked is unreal.
Farage is a **** but all Bank staff sign a code of conduct, that's how most of them can sack staff, for breaking the CofC clearly the CEO of Natwest isn't covered by their CofC |  | | |
| Nigel Farage on 14:07 - Sep 19 with 1044 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
It's paywalled, so a short summary would be appreciated! |  | | |
| Nigel Farage on 14:29 - Sep 19 with 1003 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
Well I, for one, am taking my money elsewhere! |  |
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| Nigel Farage on 16:14 - Sep 19 with 931 views | DJR |
Who knows what their eventual findings will be, but the headline (FCA finds no evidence of customers being debanked over political views) is slightly at variance with the text where there is the following quote.
“While no bank, building society or payment firm reported to us that they had closed accounts primarily due to someone’s political views, further work is needed for us to be sure,”.
Note the word "primarily, and leaving aside the question as to whether any bank would willingly report they had closed an account primarily for that reason, as regards Farage, it seems that reputational risk, related to his political views, did play a part.
Of course, Farage and the right wing media went on to make much more out of the issue than was probably justified, and the FCA's eventual findings will hopefully quash some of the more ludicrous claims. [Post edited 19 Sep 2023 16:32]
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| Nigel Farage on 16:23 - Sep 19 with 905 views | FBI |
Anything which makes that grubby little Poundland Mosley unhappy is fine by me. |  |
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