| Project Ipswich 20:22 - Jul 22 with 7152 views | GavTWTD |
Am I the only one that doesn't like the management and players calling us a project? Tiny point, miniscule, irrelevant, but, y'know. |  |
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| Project Ipswich on 23:36 - Jul 22 with 1768 views | ITFC1977 |
| Project Ipswich on 22:56 - Jul 22 by FrimleyBlue |
Kind of.
What happens to the club if the project fails? What is the end game of the project for it to be completed? |
The project before did fail. Any situation where you want to get from a to b is a project. |  | | |
| Project Ipswich on 23:39 - Jul 22 with 1760 views | ITFC1977 |
In any line of business, sport or life, if you’re trying to better things that can’t happen instantly is a project, what are you talking about?? | | | |
| Project Ipswich on 23:59 - Jul 22 with 1741 views | WeWereZombies |
| Project Ipswich on 23:24 - Jul 22 by Guthrum |
I don't dislike the term. Implies there's a longer-term plan, an aim and targets. All of which is better than just jogging along in whichever division we happen to be inhabiting, with just a vague hope of perhaps making the playoffs if things go well.
It's like taking an old sports car which was found neglected in someone's shed, doing it up, getting the engine purring, polishing the bodywork to the point it becomes a thing of pride, out on the open road again.
I think of clubs like Swansea, where there was a concerted project to bring them from takeover to the Prem - which was achieved.
It's something which people can see and buy into, desire to be part of. The difference between a player joining a club which just makes empty noises about promotion and one which says "This is where we want to go, this is how we'll get there and this is your part in it". Between approaching investors just asking for money and being able to present plans, budgets and timescales. |
So we didn't get promoted in May, we achieved a milestone ? |  |
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| Project Ipswich on 00:31 - Jul 23 with 1728 views | Ryorry |
"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet".
W. Shakespeare. |  |
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| Project Ipswich on 00:33 - Jul 23 with 1728 views | unstableblue |
I personally like it
Organisations make lasting change to how they work and prosper in the market by completing projects
They’re time bound, and aiming for an outcome.
Ours is to re-energise the club, rebuild the community interlock, refurbish and modernise the facilities, and get a team good enough to challenge for the Premiership.
I think Project Premiership survival might hopefully be the next one. |  |
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| Project Ipswich on 00:48 - Jul 23 with 1716 views | Stewart27 |
| Project Ipswich on 20:33 - Jul 22 by ElephantintheRoom |
That’s because it was once a football club and now it’s a franchise profit opportunity for a bunch of outsiders and chancers.
I’m sure you’ll be OK with it if they can buy success with other peoples’ money |
I’ll be very happy if they can buy success with other peoples money. So will every fan. So will gamechanger and so will the investors. Who loses?
You do know that every football club have owners, right? This isn’t some new thing. Whisper it quietly but I think these owners want to make a bit of money. Hopefully this concept isn’t lost on you. | | | |
| Project Ipswich on 07:38 - Jul 23 with 1672 views | Bluespeed225 |
Just modern terminology. The Cobbolds had a project ( For Eli in the room), got in Scott Duncan, big coup, Ramsey pushed it along, I'm sure they handed 'The Project' to McGarry who did his part, then saw a 'better project' at Wolves. Robson was given the tools for the next part when they financed Alan hunter and so on and so forth. | | | |
| Project Ipswich on 08:00 - Jul 23 with 1655 views | WeWereZombies |
| Project Ipswich on 07:38 - Jul 23 by Bluespeed225 |
Just modern terminology. The Cobbolds had a project ( For Eli in the room), got in Scott Duncan, big coup, Ramsey pushed it along, I'm sure they handed 'The Project' to McGarry who did his part, then saw a 'better project' at Wolves. Robson was given the tools for the next part when they financed Alan hunter and so on and so forth. |
But that isn't the narrative of Ipswich Town F.C., the fairytale club from the back of beyond, is it ? The Cobbolds had the Corinithian spirit, winning was not all important compared to playing the game well...and making sure that the Boardroom wine cabinet was always well stocked. | |
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| Project Ipswich on 08:04 - Jul 23 with 1635 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Project Ipswich on 00:48 - Jul 23 by Stewart27 |
I’ll be very happy if they can buy success with other peoples money. So will every fan. So will gamechanger and so will the investors. Who loses?
You do know that every football club have owners, right? This isn’t some new thing. Whisper it quietly but I think these owners want to make a bit of money. Hopefully this concept isn’t lost on you. |
Elephant wants a world where the players and staff are all here for the love of the game (not financial incentive), nobody owns us, there's no advertising, we're a not-for-profit, the grass is real and we have jumpers for goalposts. |  |
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| Project Ipswich on 08:33 - Jul 23 with 1617 views | RegencyBlue |
| Project Ipswich on 22:11 - Jul 22 by SWBlue22 |
Surely Evans is a swear word now and should be treated like the word beginning with C. Ban it. |
On the contrary, we must always remember the dark days of Marcus Evans as a warning of what can happen if a chancer with no plan, project (call it what you like!) spends 15 years dismantling the club on and off the pitch! |  | | |
| Project Ipswich on 09:01 - Jul 23 with 1579 views | Guthrum |
| Project Ipswich on 23:59 - Jul 22 by WeWereZombies |
So we didn't get promoted in May, we achieved a milestone ? |
Given we were promoted back to the Championship, from which we never ought to have got ourselves relegated in the first place, then yes, it was a - vital - stage on the road to the future, rather than the destination itself.
Even promotion to the Prem will be another significant step, rather than the endgame. That latter will be establishing the club in the top tier and maybe challenging for European competition again. |  |
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| Project Ipswich on 09:04 - Jul 23 with 1574 views | Stewart27 |
| Project Ipswich on 08:04 - Jul 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Elephant wants a world where the players and staff are all here for the love of the game (not financial incentive), nobody owns us, there's no advertising, we're a not-for-profit, the grass is real and we have jumpers for goalposts. |
That’s really sweet. Bless him.
I manage my son’s under 10s team. He’d love watching us. | | | |
| Project Ipswich on 09:05 - Jul 23 with 1579 views | homer_123 |
Not as much as being called Tractorboys but I get your point. |  |
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| Project Ipswich on 09:05 - Jul 23 with 1583 views | Guthrum |
| Project Ipswich on 08:00 - Jul 23 by WeWereZombies |
But that isn't the narrative of Ipswich Town F.C., the fairytale club from the back of beyond, is it ? The Cobbolds had the Corinithian spirit, winning was not all important compared to playing the game well...and making sure that the Boardroom wine cabinet was always well stocked. |
That may have been the outward attitude of the Cobbolds, but they hired and backed fiercely competitive winners to run their teams. | |
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| Project Ipswich on 09:13 - Jul 23 with 1564 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Project Ipswich on 09:04 - Jul 23 by Stewart27 |
That’s really sweet. Bless him.
I manage my son’s under 10s team. He’d love watching us. |
He'd probably moan at the logos on their boots. | |
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| Project Ipswich on 09:32 - Jul 23 with 1542 views | WeWereZombies |
| Project Ipswich on 09:01 - Jul 23 by Guthrum |
Given we were promoted back to the Championship, from which we never ought to have got ourselves relegated in the first place, then yes, it was a - vital - stage on the road to the future, rather than the destination itself.
Even promotion to the Prem will be another significant step, rather than the endgame. That latter will be establishing the club in the top tier and maybe challenging for European competition again. |
Or we could just look forward to the season ahead having won promotion and see how things go in the Second Division this time. I know I am using semantics to get back to Gav's original point (which was a semantic one too) but underneath that is a question about what you enjoy in the game, and as spectators we can mainly take pleasure in watching what is on offer. Our chants and cries may goad a team on at times but the set-up before the game and the abilities of the players once they cross that white line determine all for the next forty five minutes plus added time.
How do we get the most enjoyment out of that ? If we mentally collapse at each defeat and never reflect on the spirit of a team, give them the benefit of the doubt when we question whether they gave their best, appreciate the opposition manager and players for their skills, then aren't we just wasting our time and money ?
Which begs the question, would you rather watch a McCarthy team in the Second Division or a McKenna team in the Third (or a Burley team in the Second Division years leading up to promotion or a Burley team in that second year in the top flight.) ?
'If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:' | |
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| Project Ipswich on 09:43 - Jul 23 with 1533 views | Naylorsrightboot |
The question is, when does it stop being a project? |  | | |
| Project Ipswich on 09:49 - Jul 23 with 1530 views | PhilTWTD |
I'd quite like us to promote our aims under the Victorian-sounding Expedition Premier League banner. |  | | |
| Project Ipswich on 09:50 - Jul 23 with 1524 views | Guthrum |
| Project Ipswich on 09:32 - Jul 23 by WeWereZombies |
Or we could just look forward to the season ahead having won promotion and see how things go in the Second Division this time. I know I am using semantics to get back to Gav's original point (which was a semantic one too) but underneath that is a question about what you enjoy in the game, and as spectators we can mainly take pleasure in watching what is on offer. Our chants and cries may goad a team on at times but the set-up before the game and the abilities of the players once they cross that white line determine all for the next forty five minutes plus added time.
How do we get the most enjoyment out of that ? If we mentally collapse at each defeat and never reflect on the spirit of a team, give them the benefit of the doubt when we question whether they gave their best, appreciate the opposition manager and players for their skills, then aren't we just wasting our time and money ?
Which begs the question, would you rather watch a McCarthy team in the Second Division or a McKenna team in the Third (or a Burley team in the Second Division years leading up to promotion or a Burley team in that second year in the top flight.) ?
'If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:' |
I would say we can do both. They are essentially on different timescales anyway. The "project" could take up to a decade, if it's realised at all. But each season and each game are discrete events, which can be enjoyed in their own right, in the moment. It is, of course, possible to get too focussed on the "plan" and miss out on what's happening now. The ride is part of the process, too, indeed perhaps the most exciting part.
Like you say, we can appreciate the spirit of the team, the manner in which they play and how they interact with fans, as well as how often they win. A grim but moderately victorious team is not as much fun as one which produces good, exciting football, win or lose.
Fortunately we are currently in a situation where the club is working in both aspects, the long term upward plan and the present of playing an attractive style. | |
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| [Redacted] on 10:11 - Jul 23 with 1498 views | victorywilhappen |
| Project Ipswich on 09:32 - Jul 23 by WeWereZombies |
Or we could just look forward to the season ahead having won promotion and see how things go in the Second Division this time. I know I am using semantics to get back to Gav's original point (which was a semantic one too) but underneath that is a question about what you enjoy in the game, and as spectators we can mainly take pleasure in watching what is on offer. Our chants and cries may goad a team on at times but the set-up before the game and the abilities of the players once they cross that white line determine all for the next forty five minutes plus added time.
How do we get the most enjoyment out of that ? If we mentally collapse at each defeat and never reflect on the spirit of a team, give them the benefit of the doubt when we question whether they gave their best, appreciate the opposition manager and players for their skills, then aren't we just wasting our time and money ?
Which begs the question, would you rather watch a McCarthy team in the Second Division or a McKenna team in the Third (or a Burley team in the Second Division years leading up to promotion or a Burley team in that second year in the top flight.) ?
'If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:' |
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| Project Ipswich on 10:13 - Jul 23 with 1496 views | Churchman |
| Project Ipswich on 09:05 - Jul 23 by Guthrum |
That may have been the outward attitude of the Cobbolds, but they hired and backed fiercely competitive winners to run their teams. |
This nostalgia over the Cobbolds is great because they were decent people and (especially John) were good judges of other people. You don’t employ people of the calibre of Robson and Ramsey, even McGarry by luck.
However they were men of their time. It was only with reluctance that the owners of Ipswich Town embraced the professional game after 60 years of fiercely protected amateurism in the 30s. This was despite the support for professional football in the area being overwhelming.
The Cobbolds, a rich and influential family related to the Duke of Devonshire, Harold Mac, old Etonians etc, were real old fashioned patricians when it came down to it. Kindly, fun, outrageous but because they were upper class and beyond they could more or less do as they pleased. These were the people that owned Ipswich Town in all but name.
Fine because it’s how it was. Most clubs were structured like that whether the dominant force was an old mill owner or a family like the Hill-Woods, but it wasn’t Elephant’s utopian dream by any stretch. Players were still paid the maximum wage or less until the 1960s and scraped a living after football. The world was a different place and in many ways harder, given it was the post war era.
The Cobbold way of doing things became outmoded. They got it wrong in the early 80s and over reached themselves. A series of limited, or in Evans case disinterested and grossly incompetent, people nearly destroyed this club. That’s changed. Hooray for that.
Everything changes and moping for a warped version of how things were doesn’t stop that. If people don’t like it, there’s plenty of other things to take an interest in. Do I like how modern football is with head choppers buying up historic clubs, abominable sky transfer deadline night, money distortion and so on? No, but it’s how it is. I don’t have to take an interest and if I prefer the football shirts of the 70s I can always buy a retro one.
I love what Gamechanger are doing for this club. I think it’s fantastic. It’s the best thing that’s happened to it since 2000. They’ve regenerated interest, invested wisely in people to run the club, the ground looks smarter, the club is engaging with its area and everything about it has an identity. Ok I laugh at Ashton’s Brent-esque stuff but it is light years better than Evans faceless dementor approach. He either cares or is a damn good actor.
It really doesn’t matter if you call it a project, a programme, a plan, a mission or anything else (apart from a ‘journey!). What’s not to like?
Rant for the day over. |  | | |
| Project Ipswich on 10:33 - Jul 23 with 1454 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Project Ipswich on 10:13 - Jul 23 by Churchman |
This nostalgia over the Cobbolds is great because they were decent people and (especially John) were good judges of other people. You don’t employ people of the calibre of Robson and Ramsey, even McGarry by luck.
However they were men of their time. It was only with reluctance that the owners of Ipswich Town embraced the professional game after 60 years of fiercely protected amateurism in the 30s. This was despite the support for professional football in the area being overwhelming.
The Cobbolds, a rich and influential family related to the Duke of Devonshire, Harold Mac, old Etonians etc, were real old fashioned patricians when it came down to it. Kindly, fun, outrageous but because they were upper class and beyond they could more or less do as they pleased. These were the people that owned Ipswich Town in all but name.
Fine because it’s how it was. Most clubs were structured like that whether the dominant force was an old mill owner or a family like the Hill-Woods, but it wasn’t Elephant’s utopian dream by any stretch. Players were still paid the maximum wage or less until the 1960s and scraped a living after football. The world was a different place and in many ways harder, given it was the post war era.
The Cobbold way of doing things became outmoded. They got it wrong in the early 80s and over reached themselves. A series of limited, or in Evans case disinterested and grossly incompetent, people nearly destroyed this club. That’s changed. Hooray for that.
Everything changes and moping for a warped version of how things were doesn’t stop that. If people don’t like it, there’s plenty of other things to take an interest in. Do I like how modern football is with head choppers buying up historic clubs, abominable sky transfer deadline night, money distortion and so on? No, but it’s how it is. I don’t have to take an interest and if I prefer the football shirts of the 70s I can always buy a retro one.
I love what Gamechanger are doing for this club. I think it’s fantastic. It’s the best thing that’s happened to it since 2000. They’ve regenerated interest, invested wisely in people to run the club, the ground looks smarter, the club is engaging with its area and everything about it has an identity. Ok I laugh at Ashton’s Brent-esque stuff but it is light years better than Evans faceless dementor approach. He either cares or is a damn good actor.
It really doesn’t matter if you call it a project, a programme, a plan, a mission or anything else (apart from a ‘journey!). What’s not to like?
Rant for the day over. |
Excellent post Churchers. | |
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