| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase 17:16 - Jul 31 with 3467 views | noggin |
Disappointing? |  |
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| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 18:57 - Jul 31 with 976 views | Swansea_Blue |
Yes, disappointing as it probably equates to something like a 4% pay cut over the last 12-15 months. But I suppose they have to be realistic about the most they were likely to get, and many of those striking won’t be able to afford to carry on, so it’s an understandable settlement too.
Ultimately nobody should be happy with a pay cut, especially in important roles like this. But we are where we are and all that. |  |
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| 30 hours work a week.... on 18:58 - Jul 31 with 978 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 30 hours work a week.... on 17:25 - Jul 31 by Bloots |
....3 months a year holiday.
And a 6.5% pay rise!!??
Money for old rope, innit. |
I’m not sure why you’d want to be a sh*t Blueas tribute act, but each to their own  | |
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| 30 hours work a week.... on 18:59 - Jul 31 with 966 views | Rob88 |
| 30 hours work a week.... on 17:25 - Jul 31 by Bloots |
....3 months a year holiday.
And a 6.5% pay rise!!??
Money for old rope, innit. |
Don’t forget the gold-plated pension |  | | |
| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 19:17 - Jul 31 with 932 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 17:31 - Jul 31 by ipswichtillidie |
There seems no cohesion or appetite for a fight either certainly not from the teachers I spoke to local to myself. The fact that there are also various unions means their strength is undermined and their organisation is poor. They should and could have alot of power if they knew how to run a “union” properly and only then will they get the fair pay they deserve. Especially under a government like we have now. |
That’s the same in some other sectors too. It’s been difficult to find support in the HEI sector with some Universities missing out on the needed turnout and also strike fatigue. I can understand it, but it’s hard to swallow. Nobody should be valued 10, 20 or even 30% less than they were 15 years ago. I think we’re about 25% down on where we were in 2009. It’s a lot. Pay isn’t set by government but it’s the government funding model that’s constraining pay. | |
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| 30 hours work a week.... on 19:29 - Jul 31 with 918 views | Swansea_Blue |
| 30 hours work a week.... on 18:59 - Jul 31 by Rob88 |
Don’t forget the gold-plated pension |
I was assuming that was sarcasm, but I can never tell on here! | |
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| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 19:33 - Jul 31 with 926 views | Rimsy |
You can all down vote as much as you like, but I work in a school (as a lowly caretaker) and teachers have it good. Maybe if support staff were paid better, (not much over minimum wage) teachers would get better support in school. As for people denigrating the pension, for every pound I pay in, the government pays in over 3 pound. Don't know the exact terms for teacher, but you can bet they have a better deal than a caretaker. All this crap about teachers and nhs staff not being able to get by? They can't get by because they live beyond their means which is they're fault, no one else's. |  |
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| My post was directed entirely at.... on 19:36 - Jul 31 with 912 views | Bloots |
| 30 hours work a week.... on 18:58 - Jul 31 by Swansea_Blue |
I’m not sure why you’d want to be a sh*t Blueas tribute act, but each to their own |
....another poster on here.
He knows I was joking, I've been posting the same thing for a while.
Don't take life so seriously, you only get one go at it. |  |
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| My post was directed entirely at.... on 19:47 - Jul 31 with 883 views | Swansea_Blue |
| My post was directed entirely at.... on 19:36 - Jul 31 by Bloots |
....another poster on here.
He knows I was joking, I've been posting the same thing for a while.
Don't take life so seriously, you only get one go at it. |
I wasn’t aware of your in jokes, but I wasn’t being particularly serious. I don’t ‘wink’ to everyone you know. Well, maybe keno when he dresses up special. | |
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| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 19:52 - Jul 31 with 879 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 18:07 - Jul 31 by Mullet |
Actually I disagree. I like that we have multiple unions as it gives individuals a chance to engage because they can shop around. What is the issue is the vast number of employers and the disgusting laws Gove brought in around strikes.
Whilst I have no enmity to the other unions despite some of their members behaving badly, or saying things to divide, I always work with them on the ground where I can and want to hear other voices and agendas.
The rules and realities that have caused this perception of disunity E.g. a multi-academy trust is an employer in several schools, but each school has to organise as individual institutions etc. So if a MAT has 20 schools in it isn't counted as one group but 20 groups and the balance can mean you might have 3 members in one school who are easily identifiable and don;t have the solidarity they need.
Combine that with the manpower needed and the lack of people to a rep, as well as all the stuff around having to vote by post and the high bar unions need to reach etc. it's the atomisation of the membership which is the massive hurdle and a factor the RMT et al. don't have at all.
This was all engineered purposely by the Tories and it is slowly coming back to bite them, as they never envisioned teachers would get to this point. For all that's wrong with individuals who aren't engaged with the union and see it as an insurance policy they hope to never need, things have got so bad that everything that was done to smash teacher solidarity and unionisation still hasn't worked.
Hence why the fight around working hours and conditions are so crucial and still on the table. There aren't enough staff now, it's really going to show when everyone is at their legal limits for everything and still more is expected on top of all the stuff we do for free etc. |
"What is the issue is the vast number of employers and the disgusting laws Gove brought in around strikes."
Luckily for you when Starmer gets in.......oh!! |  |
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| I'm a frequent winker. (n/t) on 19:52 - Jul 31 with 877 views | Bloots |
| My post was directed entirely at.... on 19:47 - Jul 31 by Swansea_Blue |
I wasn’t aware of your in jokes, but I wasn’t being particularly serious. I don’t ‘wink’ to everyone you know. Well, maybe keno when he dresses up special. |
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| I'm a frequent winker. (n/t) on 20:02 - Jul 31 with 866 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I'm a frequent winker. (n/t) on 19:52 - Jul 31 by Bloots |
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That’s better. That’s what I was expecting first time, you must be slipping. Besides, it wasn’t just a crap Blueas act. It was the b@stard love child of a Blueas and Chico spooning session. | |
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| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 20:04 - Jul 31 with 864 views | Herbivore |
| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 19:33 - Jul 31 by Rimsy |
You can all down vote as much as you like, but I work in a school (as a lowly caretaker) and teachers have it good. Maybe if support staff were paid better, (not much over minimum wage) teachers would get better support in school. As for people denigrating the pension, for every pound I pay in, the government pays in over 3 pound. Don't know the exact terms for teacher, but you can bet they have a better deal than a caretaker. All this crap about teachers and nhs staff not being able to get by? They can't get by because they live beyond their means which is they're fault, no one else's. |
Give it a rest, you melt. |  |
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| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 20:15 - Jul 31 with 844 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 20:04 - Jul 31 by Herbivore |
Give it a rest, you melt. |
In fairness, I’d imagine teachers do have it good from the point of view of a caretaker. Caretakers are the ones who have to arrive first and leave last, by definition. I’d imagine more motivated support staff would help teachers too. Although none of that is relevant to the issue of fair pay of course. | |
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| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 20:30 - Jul 31 with 827 views | Mullet |
| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 18:41 - Jul 31 by DJR |
Thanks for the clarification. |
No problem. It's a massive source of ire for the other unions as the media like to present the NEU as "the voice of teachers" which it isn't, NEU don't like to advertise the fact that they are not just a teachers' union (some have argued they're actually more a pressure group, but I'll not get into that as it's not my view) as it nets them easy subscriptions and increased funds.
NASUWT are solely for those with teacher qualifications and contracts and NAHT are just for Head Teachers obviously, so they wield different memberships which conflicts with a simple narrative for the public too often.
Also, there's been some controversy about recent deals not including HE staff/devolved settlements in Scotland and Isle of Man which have drawn flack for NEU especially. |  |
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| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 20:40 - Jul 31 with 812 views | Mullet |
| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 19:33 - Jul 31 by Rimsy |
You can all down vote as much as you like, but I work in a school (as a lowly caretaker) and teachers have it good. Maybe if support staff were paid better, (not much over minimum wage) teachers would get better support in school. As for people denigrating the pension, for every pound I pay in, the government pays in over 3 pound. Don't know the exact terms for teacher, but you can bet they have a better deal than a caretaker. All this crap about teachers and nhs staff not being able to get by? They can't get by because they live beyond their means which is they're fault, no one else's. |
That's a cultural issue in your school by the sounds of it. I'm sorry you work in a place that treats you so poorly, but given you've spouted off about pensions then admitted ignorance it's possible you don't endear yourself there too.
As for living beyond their means, is that again a cultural issue or a generalisation that ignores human choices and the cost of living? Or do you have some weird clique solely at your school? | |
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| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 21:20 - Jul 31 with 775 views | BlueBadger |
| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 19:33 - Jul 31 by Rimsy |
You can all down vote as much as you like, but I work in a school (as a lowly caretaker) and teachers have it good. Maybe if support staff were paid better, (not much over minimum wage) teachers would get better support in school. As for people denigrating the pension, for every pound I pay in, the government pays in over 3 pound. Don't know the exact terms for teacher, but you can bet they have a better deal than a caretaker. All this crap about teachers and nhs staff not being able to get by? They can't get by because they live beyond their means which is they're fault, no one else's. |
Seems legit. |  |
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| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 22:25 - Jul 31 with 723 views | slaughteredskipper |
Teachers in England have had the greatest reduction in real term wages over the past 10 years of all of the OECD countries.
It was vital that there was an increase to retain staff in a sector which despite all the 'banter' is extremely challenging especially when so many other services have been cut. Teachers are also social workers, family liaison officers, supporting pupils with SEMH needs, high levels of SEND (EHCPs have doubled from 250000 to 500000 in the last 3 years) and perhaps educate them up the middle somewhere.
As I write this another advert recruiting teachers has just played out on TV, where the government target of 40000 teachers this year is on track to achieve just half of that if recruitment levels continue at the existing pace.
As a school leader the 6.5% pay increase is a reasonable increase in these times but the most important part is that 3% of that is being funded and 3.5% is to be found from existing budgets.
Most schools budgeted at 3.5% so should be able to sustain this, but will still mean a reduction in resources when schools are still contending with unfunded support staff pay increases and the huge increase in utilities which were also not funded.
In the short term this is the right outcome but does nothing to address much deeper issues in education. |  | | |
| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 22:52 - Jul 31 with 707 views | Churchman |
| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 17:39 - Jul 31 by Rimsy |
Teachers are handsomely paid for the hours they put in, it's still a great career. Great pension still, even though not as good as it was. I don't get this wanting to raise wages, for anyone, to pre austerity rates. Austerity meant everyone taking a hit on wages, not deferring it til later. |
I’ll bite. What hours do you think teachers put in?
Let me guess. 9 to 3.30 less an hour for lunch = 5 hours 30 mins a day x 5 days a week = 27.5 hours. 3 months off a year, easy money. Is that your maths?
Assuming it’s something like that, it’s either a sad bit of trolling or you need to give your head a wobble. Or learn something new. |  | | |
| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 07:39 - Aug 1 with 614 views | DJR |
| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 22:52 - Jul 31 by Churchman |
I’ll bite. What hours do you think teachers put in?
Let me guess. 9 to 3.30 less an hour for lunch = 5 hours 30 mins a day x 5 days a week = 27.5 hours. 3 months off a year, easy money. Is that your maths?
Assuming it’s something like that, it’s either a sad bit of trolling or you need to give your head a wobble. Or learn something new. |
The following from a 2018 DfE report on teacher retention suggests the job is not a doddle. I can vouch for this because my daughter will have to spend to the whole summer planning for next year. This includes decorating a classroom, and paying out her own money for decorations. I can't think of any other job where so much effort is needed before even starting the job.
Two-thirds of teachers surveyed felt that the level of work a teaching role required was unsustainable, reporting they had felt ‘overwhelmed’ by the amount of marking, planning and data tracking expected. Workload was a factor for primary and secondary teachers irrespective of their length of service.
• Many teachers reported that workload levels negatively impacted on their ability to
maintain an appropriate work-life balance, stress levels and general well-being,
and that this was the main contributing factor in their decision to leave the
profession.
• The level of workload was exacerbated by curriculum changes. Examples included
the introduction of the new A Level and GCSE specifications, which added to
teachers’ workload due to the need for the schemes of work to be re-written. Two
Information and Communication Technology (ICT) teachers commented that
changes to their subject had meant that the content of the curriculum had changed,
and it had become “a different subject to teach”.
• A small number of ICT and physics secondary teachers had been the only
specialist subject teachers within their department, which had increased levels of
workload. For example, an ICT teacher commented that as the only subject
specialist in their Department, they had been responsible for marking all pupil work.
• Workload was also reportedly higher in secondary schools that were in special
measures or in the process of academisation.
Examples of specific elements of workload that had been instrumental in teachers’
decision to leave included:
• Marking: many primary and secondary teachers felt there was too much emphasis
on marking and that the volume was too great. Secondary schools were viewed as
having marking policies that were not effective or beneficial to teachers or pupils. A
small number of secondary teachers gave examples of their school introducing
new marking practices or policies that had increased their workload, or that had
resulted in their marking practice being scrutinised.
“There were ridiculous marking schemes, eight coloured pens and five symbols, it
took me three hours a day to get through all the marking.” (Secondary science
teacher)
• Planning: whilst planning was seen as a necessary and essential part of the job, it
was extremely time-consuming. Primary teachers reported that the documenting
and re-writing of lessons plans could be reduced. In particular, they suggested
having more flexibility to write lesson plans to a level of detail that suited them,
schools investing in off-the-shelf planning and resourcing tools, and more
opportunities for lesson plans to be shared and discussed internally. Secondary
teachers stated that the provision of weekly lesson plans asked for by their SLT,
which was perceived as mainly for Ofsted accountability purposes, was very timeconsuming and many felt it was unnecessary.
• Duties beyond their teaching role: primary and secondary teachers were asked
by their SLT to take on roles in addition to their subject teaching, which also added
to their workload, for example, pastoral duties, school councils, behaviour
management.
• Excessive number of hours spent working: many primary and secondary
teachers had spent a significant amount of time (within and out of school) on their
teaching role, and for most this infringed on their work-life balance. Teachers
described issues such as working full-time hours on a part-time-contract, working
at home during the evenings or at weekends (limiting their ability to spend time with
family and children), or being asked by their SLT to undertake tasks or attend
meetings that were viewed as unnecessary. [Post edited 1 Aug 2023 7:48]
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| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 07:43 - Aug 1 with 596 views | noggin |
| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 07:39 - Aug 1 by DJR |
The following from a 2018 DfE report on teacher retention suggests the job is not a doddle. I can vouch for this because my daughter will have to spend to the whole summer planning for next year. This includes decorating a classroom, and paying out her own money for decorations. I can't think of any other job where so much effort is needed before even starting the job.
Two-thirds of teachers surveyed felt that the level of work a teaching role required was unsustainable, reporting they had felt ‘overwhelmed’ by the amount of marking, planning and data tracking expected. Workload was a factor for primary and secondary teachers irrespective of their length of service.
• Many teachers reported that workload levels negatively impacted on their ability to
maintain an appropriate work-life balance, stress levels and general well-being,
and that this was the main contributing factor in their decision to leave the
profession.
• The level of workload was exacerbated by curriculum changes. Examples included
the introduction of the new A Level and GCSE specifications, which added to
teachers’ workload due to the need for the schemes of work to be re-written. Two
Information and Communication Technology (ICT) teachers commented that
changes to their subject had meant that the content of the curriculum had changed,
and it had become “a different subject to teach”.
• A small number of ICT and physics secondary teachers had been the only
specialist subject teachers within their department, which had increased levels of
workload. For example, an ICT teacher commented that as the only subject
specialist in their Department, they had been responsible for marking all pupil work.
• Workload was also reportedly higher in secondary schools that were in special
measures or in the process of academisation.
Examples of specific elements of workload that had been instrumental in teachers’
decision to leave included:
• Marking: many primary and secondary teachers felt there was too much emphasis
on marking and that the volume was too great. Secondary schools were viewed as
having marking policies that were not effective or beneficial to teachers or pupils. A
small number of secondary teachers gave examples of their school introducing
new marking practices or policies that had increased their workload, or that had
resulted in their marking practice being scrutinised.
“There were ridiculous marking schemes, eight coloured pens and five symbols, it
took me three hours a day to get through all the marking.” (Secondary science
teacher)
• Planning: whilst planning was seen as a necessary and essential part of the job, it
was extremely time-consuming. Primary teachers reported that the documenting
and re-writing of lessons plans could be reduced. In particular, they suggested
having more flexibility to write lesson plans to a level of detail that suited them,
schools investing in off-the-shelf planning and resourcing tools, and more
opportunities for lesson plans to be shared and discussed internally. Secondary
teachers stated that the provision of weekly lesson plans asked for by their SLT,
which was perceived as mainly for Ofsted accountability purposes, was very timeconsuming and many felt it was unnecessary.
• Duties beyond their teaching role: primary and secondary teachers were asked
by their SLT to take on roles in addition to their subject teaching, which also added
to their workload, for example, pastoral duties, school councils, behaviour
management.
• Excessive number of hours spent working: many primary and secondary
teachers had spent a significant amount of time (within and out of school) on their
teaching role, and for most this infringed on their work-life balance. Teachers
described issues such as working full-time hours on a part-time-contract, working
at home during the evenings or at weekends (limiting their ability to spend time with
family and children), or being asked by their SLT to undertake tasks or attend
meetings that were viewed as unnecessary. [Post edited 1 Aug 2023 7:48]
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Yeah, but apart from those issues, teachers have it easy  | |
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| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 09:03 - Aug 1 with 564 views | Mullet |
| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 22:25 - Jul 31 by slaughteredskipper |
Teachers in England have had the greatest reduction in real term wages over the past 10 years of all of the OECD countries.
It was vital that there was an increase to retain staff in a sector which despite all the 'banter' is extremely challenging especially when so many other services have been cut. Teachers are also social workers, family liaison officers, supporting pupils with SEMH needs, high levels of SEND (EHCPs have doubled from 250000 to 500000 in the last 3 years) and perhaps educate them up the middle somewhere.
As I write this another advert recruiting teachers has just played out on TV, where the government target of 40000 teachers this year is on track to achieve just half of that if recruitment levels continue at the existing pace.
As a school leader the 6.5% pay increase is a reasonable increase in these times but the most important part is that 3% of that is being funded and 3.5% is to be found from existing budgets.
Most schools budgeted at 3.5% so should be able to sustain this, but will still mean a reduction in resources when schools are still contending with unfunded support staff pay increases and the huge increase in utilities which were also not funded.
In the short term this is the right outcome but does nothing to address much deeper issues in education. |
Some of the rhetoric over funding was pretty appalling, and the fact as you say it's not fully-funded either is another timebomb.
Whenever those adverts come around you know things are bad it seems. | |
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| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 09:28 - Aug 1 with 548 views | soupytwist |
| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 19:33 - Jul 31 by Rimsy |
You can all down vote as much as you like, but I work in a school (as a lowly caretaker) and teachers have it good. Maybe if support staff were paid better, (not much over minimum wage) teachers would get better support in school. As for people denigrating the pension, for every pound I pay in, the government pays in over 3 pound. Don't know the exact terms for teacher, but you can bet they have a better deal than a caretaker. All this crap about teachers and nhs staff not being able to get by? They can't get by because they live beyond their means which is they're fault, no one else's. |
You're presumably not one of those caretakers who live on-site in a reasonably nice home for a tiny rent and utility cost like two at a school I'm familiar with do. |  | | |
| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 09:32 - Aug 1 with 535 views | Churchman |
| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 07:39 - Aug 1 by DJR |
The following from a 2018 DfE report on teacher retention suggests the job is not a doddle. I can vouch for this because my daughter will have to spend to the whole summer planning for next year. This includes decorating a classroom, and paying out her own money for decorations. I can't think of any other job where so much effort is needed before even starting the job.
Two-thirds of teachers surveyed felt that the level of work a teaching role required was unsustainable, reporting they had felt ‘overwhelmed’ by the amount of marking, planning and data tracking expected. Workload was a factor for primary and secondary teachers irrespective of their length of service.
• Many teachers reported that workload levels negatively impacted on their ability to
maintain an appropriate work-life balance, stress levels and general well-being,
and that this was the main contributing factor in their decision to leave the
profession.
• The level of workload was exacerbated by curriculum changes. Examples included
the introduction of the new A Level and GCSE specifications, which added to
teachers’ workload due to the need for the schemes of work to be re-written. Two
Information and Communication Technology (ICT) teachers commented that
changes to their subject had meant that the content of the curriculum had changed,
and it had become “a different subject to teach”.
• A small number of ICT and physics secondary teachers had been the only
specialist subject teachers within their department, which had increased levels of
workload. For example, an ICT teacher commented that as the only subject
specialist in their Department, they had been responsible for marking all pupil work.
• Workload was also reportedly higher in secondary schools that were in special
measures or in the process of academisation.
Examples of specific elements of workload that had been instrumental in teachers’
decision to leave included:
• Marking: many primary and secondary teachers felt there was too much emphasis
on marking and that the volume was too great. Secondary schools were viewed as
having marking policies that were not effective or beneficial to teachers or pupils. A
small number of secondary teachers gave examples of their school introducing
new marking practices or policies that had increased their workload, or that had
resulted in their marking practice being scrutinised.
“There were ridiculous marking schemes, eight coloured pens and five symbols, it
took me three hours a day to get through all the marking.” (Secondary science
teacher)
• Planning: whilst planning was seen as a necessary and essential part of the job, it
was extremely time-consuming. Primary teachers reported that the documenting
and re-writing of lessons plans could be reduced. In particular, they suggested
having more flexibility to write lesson plans to a level of detail that suited them,
schools investing in off-the-shelf planning and resourcing tools, and more
opportunities for lesson plans to be shared and discussed internally. Secondary
teachers stated that the provision of weekly lesson plans asked for by their SLT,
which was perceived as mainly for Ofsted accountability purposes, was very timeconsuming and many felt it was unnecessary.
• Duties beyond their teaching role: primary and secondary teachers were asked
by their SLT to take on roles in addition to their subject teaching, which also added
to their workload, for example, pastoral duties, school councils, behaviour
management.
• Excessive number of hours spent working: many primary and secondary
teachers had spent a significant amount of time (within and out of school) on their
teaching role, and for most this infringed on their work-life balance. Teachers
described issues such as working full-time hours on a part-time-contract, working
at home during the evenings or at weekends (limiting their ability to spend time with
family and children), or being asked by their SLT to undertake tasks or attend
meetings that were viewed as unnecessary. [Post edited 1 Aug 2023 7:48]
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I was being facetious towards that particular poster. Mrs C is an ex-teacher and I concur with everything you and Mullet have to say on the subject. | | | |
| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 09:39 - Aug 1 with 530 views | hoppy |
| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 17:43 - Jul 31 by DJR |
You're David Cameron, and I claim my £5. [Post edited 31 Jul 2023 17:45]
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That could be £5.32 if you were a teacher. |  |
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| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 09:43 - Aug 1 with 504 views | DJR |
| Teaching unions accept 6.5% pay increase on 09:32 - Aug 1 by Churchman |
I was being facetious towards that particular poster. Mrs C is an ex-teacher and I concur with everything you and Mullet have to say on the subject. |
Yes, I know that. My post wasn't aimed at you but rather the person you were responding too, so sorry if it came across as an attack on you. | | | |
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