| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 15:12 - Aug 8 with 1578 views | patrickswell |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 08:36 - Aug 8 by itfcjoe |
I don't really see that it is, it's just try and get out now or effectively see where he ends up when contract up in the summer and what move he can get - playing under Ainsworth this season (in the short term - because he'll be out of the team soon) isn't going to showcase anything he can do so it's just see what he can get lined up for next season. This season is done for him.
You do have to wonder what QPR are doing, to go from Warburton, signing a load of technical players, playing some nice stuff, seemingly well run off the pitch with Ferdinand etc, academy successes and the like to now have gone completely in the other direction with Ainsworth, and getting rid of all backroom staff.
Dozzell will be a casualty of that, as will others but he'd be best off agitating now for a move into L1 to try and kickstart things.
When Ainsworth came in the highly rated Tim Iroegbanum who is on loan from Villa and playing CM, had 5 games out of 7 where he played over an hour and completed less than 10 passes. In one game, against Burnley, he played 68 minutes in central midfield and his pass success rate was 0%, in fairness he only attempted 1 pass in that time, he touched the ball 7 times.
As Herbi says, none of this excuses Dozzell, if he'd have kicked on more under Warburton he may be in a better position now, but he has zero chance of being a success under Ainsworth, no midfielders of any type bar tackle and clear the ball do |
Mick Beale walking out on them screwed them up big time last year, not least because he brought in a number of players to work with him who could not/did not get on with either Critchley or Ainsworth. There are FFP restraints there, which Whittingham believes may have accounted for Beale looking to jump ship once he became aware of the restrictions. They had also started to drift into poor form under him as well.
They need a takeover and a rebuild from top to bottom. If they go down, there is a very real risk that they’ll bum along like we did for several years. |  | |  |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 16:32 - Aug 8 with 1540 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 23:17 - Aug 7 by Herbivore |
No and no. He's in his mid 20s now and the chances of him developing into the player he could have been have all but evaporated, and the player he currently is wouldn't get in our team. |
He would be behind Cam Humphreys, in my opinion.
Dozzell has one outstanding attribute:
The ability to spot and deliver a slide-rule pass through a defence for a striker to run onto.
Humphreys also has that ability, and greater mobility, work-rate, finishing ability and positive intent.
I noted last season that Luongo played one of those Dozzell passes to set up a goal: just think about everything else Massimo brings to the team in the same position! |  | | |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 16:58 - Aug 8 with 1514 views | Churchman |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 15:12 - Aug 8 by patrickswell |
Mick Beale walking out on them screwed them up big time last year, not least because he brought in a number of players to work with him who could not/did not get on with either Critchley or Ainsworth. There are FFP restraints there, which Whittingham believes may have accounted for Beale looking to jump ship once he became aware of the restrictions. They had also started to drift into poor form under him as well.
They need a takeover and a rebuild from top to bottom. If they go down, there is a very real risk that they’ll bum along like we did for several years. |
The need for a top to bottom rebuild is very much the feeling I get from their forum. None of the players escape criticism and none including Dozzell are getting defended. However, they have no room from manoeuvre financially and I don’t see how they can trade their way out of it with what they have.
Ainsworth’s credit has pretty much already gone but they’re not going to gain much by kicking him out either. |  | | |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 17:46 - Aug 8 with 1491 views | Herbivore |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 11:12 - Aug 8 by ITFCBlues |
Wouldn't describe Bealle as a basket case manager but he still flattered to deceive under him.
I just think he's not really very good. |
Beale was his manager for less than 6 months. |  |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 17:51 - Aug 8 with 1486 views | Herbivore |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 16:32 - Aug 8 by ArnoldMoorhen |
He would be behind Cam Humphreys, in my opinion.
Dozzell has one outstanding attribute:
The ability to spot and deliver a slide-rule pass through a defence for a striker to run onto.
Humphreys also has that ability, and greater mobility, work-rate, finishing ability and positive intent.
I noted last season that Luongo played one of those Dozzell passes to set up a goal: just think about everything else Massimo brings to the team in the same position! |
Oh he'd be miles down the pecking order here for sure and I wouldn't want him back. I just think the notion from some that him not kicking on is because he was never any good is far too simplistic. He'll likely never fulfil his potential now, but it's not the case that every player has a finite amount of ability and fulfilling that or not is solely down to the player. He's had some bad luck with injuries and has been at two clubs who have largely been dysfunctional, which creates difficult conditions for a player to succeed. | |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 18:08 - Aug 8 with 1465 views | Warkystache |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 17:51 - Aug 8 by Herbivore |
Oh he'd be miles down the pecking order here for sure and I wouldn't want him back. I just think the notion from some that him not kicking on is because he was never any good is far too simplistic. He'll likely never fulfil his potential now, but it's not the case that every player has a finite amount of ability and fulfilling that or not is solely down to the player. He's had some bad luck with injuries and has been at two clubs who have largely been dysfunctional, which creates difficult conditions for a player to succeed. |
Must be worth a bid for Chair or Field from QPR? Or Willock? They'd add to this team. |  |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 18:11 - Aug 8 with 1456 views | Herbivore |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 18:08 - Aug 8 by Warkystache |
Must be worth a bid for Chair or Field from QPR? Or Willock? They'd add to this team. |
To be honest, I know feck all about any of those three. | |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 19:37 - Aug 8 with 1405 views | ibbleobble |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 07:51 - Aug 8 by Herbivore |
Also played under Cook here, so he's played under 8 managers at two clubs by the age of 24. As I said, he has to take some responsibility for not kicking on of course, but to have played under that many managers in a short career suggests he's not exactly been in environments that are conducive to young players fulfilling their potential. |
What’s that based on? That’s just the throes of modern football unfortunately. If all young players only succeeded though stability, why are young assets continually packaged up from South America to European clubs and loaned back out constantly? Your points just sound like more Dozzell apologies. Besides, Dozzell got lots of game time across different managers but was weak at best in most if not all the games he played. | | | |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 19:42 - Aug 8 with 1393 views | Herbivore |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 19:37 - Aug 8 by ibbleobble |
What’s that based on? That’s just the throes of modern football unfortunately. If all young players only succeeded though stability, why are young assets continually packaged up from South America to European clubs and loaned back out constantly? Your points just sound like more Dozzell apologies. Besides, Dozzell got lots of game time across different managers but was weak at best in most if not all the games he played. |
It's based on understanding football, mate. | |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 20:03 - Aug 8 with 1363 views | ibbleobble |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 19:42 - Aug 8 by Herbivore |
It's based on understanding football, mate. |
Let’s hope you understand football better than politics. How’s the Communist revolution going comrade?
Alexis Sanchez is a perfect example of one of the many young talents who played under many managers coming out of South America to Europe only to be loaned out frequently. He played under 7 managers in 6 years from the age of 17 to 23 before getting the big move to Barcelona and subsequently Arsenal where at both clubs he became a 1 in 2 striker. An example of the system which is just natural to footballers. Plenty of others too although the Guardian probably hasn’t got articles on them so you might struggle for sources. | | | |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 20:25 - Aug 8 with 1342 views | SE1blue |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 12:23 - Aug 8 by Facefacts |
Funny, yes. Not having a go or anything, but I think 'be careful what you wish for' by going over there to lap up Whittingham's words.
His report came out late Sunday evening - there was no match report on the day of the match - he is clearly taking the whole weekend to think up different ways of criticising Ainsworth / Dozzell. He is going to have a right laugh at Ipswich if QPR manage 3 or even 1 point against us.
I vaguely remember his report from when they bullied us at Loftus on their way to promotion to the Premier League, homer ref, the old guy (now at Huddersfield) managing them. Laughing at us like there's no tomorrow.
According to BBC Sport during their game, Dozzell hit the bar in the second half - yes it may have been a bounce on top of the bar - so I kept my eye on things over on Loft For Words. Sure enough, no mention of Dozzell coming closest to scoring for QPR in the second half. Full of praise for the young sub who missed when clean through, though - which was the only QPR chance on the YouTube highlights I saw. |
It's interesting you raised this viewpoint as I was surprised how far he's gone recently laying into the team and management.
I find him very funny, I think he's a good writer (reminds me of Danny King 'The Burglar Diaries' a bit) and he's clearly enjoyed by a lot of people who are QPR or not. But I do wonder how close his relationship with the club is based on the uncut truths he tells.
Even at the lowest depths of Evans and Lambert being difficult, Phil kept it very balanced and told both sides in equal measure. Just interesting to compare the two approaches. |  |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 20:27 - Aug 8 with 1338 views | Herbivore |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 20:03 - Aug 8 by ibbleobble |
Let’s hope you understand football better than politics. How’s the Communist revolution going comrade?
Alexis Sanchez is a perfect example of one of the many young talents who played under many managers coming out of South America to Europe only to be loaned out frequently. He played under 7 managers in 6 years from the age of 17 to 23 before getting the big move to Barcelona and subsequently Arsenal where at both clubs he became a 1 in 2 striker. An example of the system which is just natural to footballers. Plenty of others too although the Guardian probably hasn’t got articles on them so you might struggle for sources. |
Why are you wittering on about Alexis Sanchez? | |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 21:19 - Aug 8 with 1309 views | ibbleobble |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 20:27 - Aug 8 by Herbivore |
Why are you wittering on about Alexis Sanchez? |
…because your point about Dozzell not excelling because he had to play under multiple managers during a tumultuous period is a weak defence given it’s part and parcel of professional football. Dozzell had to travel a few miles down the M25 to play under a few managers whereas South Americans up root their whole lives and still flourish. It’s about time the Dozzell love affair came to an end and it was just widely accepted that he’s not good enough to progress higher. | | | |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 21:21 - Aug 8 with 1307 views | Herbivore |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 21:19 - Aug 8 by ibbleobble |
…because your point about Dozzell not excelling because he had to play under multiple managers during a tumultuous period is a weak defence given it’s part and parcel of professional football. Dozzell had to travel a few miles down the M25 to play under a few managers whereas South Americans up root their whole lives and still flourish. It’s about time the Dozzell love affair came to an end and it was just widely accepted that he’s not good enough to progress higher. |
It would be great if you could at least try and acquaint yourself with the point from time to time. | |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 21:38 - Aug 8 with 1282 views | shamboy |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 21:21 - Aug 8 by Herbivore |
It would be great if you could at least try and acquaint yourself with the point from time to time. |
...and while you are at it @ibbleobble, you could also acquaint yourself with the route of the M25, a motorway which you travel 'round', but never 'down'.
Love from another Guardian reader. [Post edited 8 Aug 2023 21:43]
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 06:15 - Aug 9 with 1128 views | ibbleobble |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 21:21 - Aug 8 by Herbivore |
It would be great if you could at least try and acquaint yourself with the point from time to time. |
That was your point, you clown. As ever, you bury your head in the sand to save face. Rather like Mullet and his long, boring drawn out defence of Mick McCarthy. | | | |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 07:16 - Aug 9 with 1115 views | Herbivore |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 06:15 - Aug 9 by ibbleobble |
That was your point, you clown. As ever, you bury your head in the sand to save face. Rather like Mullet and his long, boring drawn out defence of Mick McCarthy. |
One of the two of us knows what my point was, sweetheart. Since you seem to be hard of thinking, I'll give you a clue which one of us it is: it's not you. | |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 07:32 - Aug 9 with 1102 views | ibbleobble |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 07:16 - Aug 9 by Herbivore |
One of the two of us knows what my point was, sweetheart. Since you seem to be hard of thinking, I'll give you a clue which one of us it is: it's not you. |
Christ, bad banter and wit to accompany stupidity and ignorance; what a benchmark! | | | |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 07:53 - Aug 9 with 1075 views | Herbivore |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 07:32 - Aug 9 by ibbleobble |
Christ, bad banter and wit to accompany stupidity and ignorance; what a benchmark! |
Don't be so hard on yourself. | |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 08:55 - Aug 9 with 1025 views | Mullet |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 06:15 - Aug 9 by ibbleobble |
That was your point, you clown. As ever, you bury your head in the sand to save face. Rather like Mullet and his long, boring drawn out defence of Mick McCarthy. |
Why have you got my name in your mouth? I'm not even involved in you making a fool of yourself here. |  |
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