| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 21:55 - Aug 7 with 2976 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 16:15 - Aug 7 by Mullet |
That bloke hates Andre doesn't he? I guess as we've been there though we know what it's like. AD must be emblematic of everything that's wrong there, a player who doesn't fit into a side at all, managed by someone out of his depth and making a real mess of it and not a pot to p1ss in. |
Didn’t some fans say Dozzell was too good for L1 and would suit the Championship more?
I appreciate Ainsworth is a Crispin Glover tribute act, but Dozzell seemed to get plenty of chances under other managers too.
Maybe he just isn’t that good and without the work-rate, he can’t compensate for the declining impact of his perceived skill? |  | |  |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 22:00 - Aug 7 with 2948 views | Mullet |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 21:55 - Aug 7 by ElderGrizzly |
Didn’t some fans say Dozzell was too good for L1 and would suit the Championship more?
I appreciate Ainsworth is a Crispin Glover tribute act, but Dozzell seemed to get plenty of chances under other managers too.
Maybe he just isn’t that good and without the work-rate, he can’t compensate for the declining impact of his perceived skill? |
I dunno who has had a chance under there. Warburton tried to play him further up from memory and Ainsworth is not interested in midfielders.
Seems more a case of that injury being the first domino in a long line of bad choices and bad scenarios for AD. He's essentially "lost" the prime years to develop his game and establish himself at his full potential.
I know we have a special interest in him, but the wider squad in that time has been awful hasn't it? |  |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 22:35 - Aug 7 with 2897 views | LegendofthePhoenix |
The best bit for me was in the ratings:
Referee – Thomas Bramall (Sheffield) 6 Adding seven minutes to that first half tantamount to a war crime. |  |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 22:57 - Aug 7 with 2874 views | Coastalblue |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 19:24 - Aug 7 by davblue |
If he gets his type of players in the door I think he will keep them up. As we know his teams are hard to play against and he hasn’t got the players to suit his style of play. It might already be too far gone for him to salvage it.
He did deserve a chance to try and make a step up but if you appoint a manager like him, with a playing squad that’s suited to a more technical game you have to give him time and let him bring in his types of players otherwise it’s a waste of time. |
Not sure he will get any chance to bring in his kind of players, he's saddled with that he currently has and may even have to sell one or two. |  |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 23:07 - Aug 7 with 2843 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 21:41 - Aug 7 by BlueandTruesince82 |
My personal highlight
"For Queens Park Rangers, Saturday, and you fear the next nine months, was, and is, a trip heading entirely downward, at ever increasingly frightening gradient and speed. A journey being attempted in a bin, on wheels, on fire, destined to end goodness only knows where by May but certainly no place good. The pilot’s wearing cowboy boots, and says it’s all going to be fine, but this is a guy facing the Siege of Tenochtitlan armed with a mop and a saucepan on his head. It is the farthest thing from fine." |
Clive called us a bin fire rolling down a hill the year we went down…. Bad, out of control and a danger to ourselves and others. |  |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 23:17 - Aug 7 with 2830 views | Herbivore |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 18:58 - Aug 7 by ArnieM |
With that said, would you like him to return to us and if he did would he get in the team? |
No and no. He's in his mid 20s now and the chances of him developing into the player he could have been have all but evaporated, and the player he currently is wouldn't get in our team. |  |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 23:25 - Aug 7 with 2814 views | tractordownsouth |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 16:26 - Aug 7 by The_Romford_Blue |
I’ve a quite large bet on QPR to go down at 11/4. Think that might be printing money. |
Wouldn't be surprised to see Warnock there soon. I think he'll bin off Huddersfield in a month or two then come back for another firefighting job somewhere like QPR at the end of the season. |  |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 23:36 - Aug 7 with 2797 views | Juggsy |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 17:54 - Aug 7 by Churchman |
This particularly made me laugh:
‘Every week a new low. This is how Custer must have felt - just when you think it can't get any worse another load of sodding Indians turn up.‘
As for Dozzell, he’s not just getting hammered by Clive Whittingham. Most who post on their forum appear to feel the same way about him. I’d add that he was getting pelters when other managers were there, not just Ainsworth.
Maybe the QPR supporters are just not seeing what Dozzell has to offer, but regardless, it’s a big season for him. |
I don't think anyone, including Andre is seeing what he has to offer because he's not offering it. |  | | |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 05:52 - Aug 8 with 2693 views | ibbleobble |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 18:56 - Aug 7 by Herbivore |
The injury set him back for sure but just as big an issue is that ever since he got fit he's been at clubs and under managers that are absolute basket cases. Came back under Hurst, then had Lambert, then Cook, now a mess at QPR playing for a manager whose tactics are the opposite of how Dozzell naturally plays. He has to take some responsibility for not kicking on, of course, but he's not exactly ever been put in conditions that would help him to develop. |
He’s played under 6 or 7 managers now and barely been able to sustain decent b2b games and yet it’s all those managers fault? About time some admitted he hasn’t got the attributes needed. Just because he can occasionally spot a decent pass doesn’t make him a noteworthy asset. I think it was fairly obvious he’d struggle to a lot of people and so it’s proving. |  | | |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 07:27 - Aug 8 with 2656 views | Herbivore |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 05:52 - Aug 8 by ibbleobble |
He’s played under 6 or 7 managers now and barely been able to sustain decent b2b games and yet it’s all those managers fault? About time some admitted he hasn’t got the attributes needed. Just because he can occasionally spot a decent pass doesn’t make him a noteworthy asset. I think it was fairly obvious he’d struggle to a lot of people and so it’s proving. |
Way to ignore the point. | |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 07:47 - Aug 8 with 2619 views | Churchman |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 05:52 - Aug 8 by ibbleobble |
He’s played under 6 or 7 managers now and barely been able to sustain decent b2b games and yet it’s all those managers fault? About time some admitted he hasn’t got the attributes needed. Just because he can occasionally spot a decent pass doesn’t make him a noteworthy asset. I think it was fairly obvious he’d struggle to a lot of people and so it’s proving. |
In reverse order he’s played under Ainsworth, Critchley, Beale, Warburton, Lambert, Hurst, McCarthy.
He is 24 now so no yoof, but neither is he a seasoned pro. My concern would be that at a young age he looked an outstanding prospect but from what little I’ve seen of him at QPR he hasn’t developed. As Hirst, who is the same age, has proved there’s still time.
As I said earlier, it’s a big season for him. |  | | |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 07:51 - Aug 8 with 2602 views | Herbivore |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 07:47 - Aug 8 by Churchman |
In reverse order he’s played under Ainsworth, Critchley, Beale, Warburton, Lambert, Hurst, McCarthy.
He is 24 now so no yoof, but neither is he a seasoned pro. My concern would be that at a young age he looked an outstanding prospect but from what little I’ve seen of him at QPR he hasn’t developed. As Hirst, who is the same age, has proved there’s still time.
As I said earlier, it’s a big season for him. |
Also played under Cook here, so he's played under 8 managers at two clubs by the age of 24. As I said, he has to take some responsibility for not kicking on of course, but to have played under that many managers in a short career suggests he's not exactly been in environments that are conducive to young players fulfilling their potential. | |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 08:10 - Aug 8 with 2577 views | Churchman |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 07:51 - Aug 8 by Herbivore |
Also played under Cook here, so he's played under 8 managers at two clubs by the age of 24. As I said, he has to take some responsibility for not kicking on of course, but to have played under that many managers in a short career suggests he's not exactly been in environments that are conducive to young players fulfilling their potential. |
Forgot Cook - obviously tried to erase him from memory. Yes, he does have to take responsibility for his own career and drive it. How you do that at a club like QPR? No idea. Maybe a reset in L1 at a club like say Barnsley who play a passing game. | | | |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 08:13 - Aug 8 with 2576 views | Herbivore |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 08:10 - Aug 8 by Churchman |
Forgot Cook - obviously tried to erase him from memory. Yes, he does have to take responsibility for his own career and drive it. How you do that at a club like QPR? No idea. Maybe a reset in L1 at a club like say Barnsley who play a passing game. |
He's been at QPR for 2 years and played under 4 managers. They are an absolute basket case and almost certain to finish rock bottom this year. Hard to see how he's going to push on there really. I think he may have already missed the window of opportunity to develop into a player who will have a long career in the Championship or beyond, but you never know. | |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 08:36 - Aug 8 with 2542 views | itfcjoe |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 07:47 - Aug 8 by Churchman |
In reverse order he’s played under Ainsworth, Critchley, Beale, Warburton, Lambert, Hurst, McCarthy.
He is 24 now so no yoof, but neither is he a seasoned pro. My concern would be that at a young age he looked an outstanding prospect but from what little I’ve seen of him at QPR he hasn’t developed. As Hirst, who is the same age, has proved there’s still time.
As I said earlier, it’s a big season for him. |
I don't really see that it is, it's just try and get out now or effectively see where he ends up when contract up in the summer and what move he can get - playing under Ainsworth this season (in the short term - because he'll be out of the team soon) isn't going to showcase anything he can do so it's just see what he can get lined up for next season. This season is done for him.
You do have to wonder what QPR are doing, to go from Warburton, signing a load of technical players, playing some nice stuff, seemingly well run off the pitch with Ferdinand etc, academy successes and the like to now have gone completely in the other direction with Ainsworth, and getting rid of all backroom staff.
Dozzell will be a casualty of that, as will others but he'd be best off agitating now for a move into L1 to try and kickstart things.
When Ainsworth came in the highly rated Tim Iroegbanum who is on loan from Villa and playing CM, had 5 games out of 7 where he played over an hour and completed less than 10 passes. In one game, against Burnley, he played 68 minutes in central midfield and his pass success rate was 0%, in fairness he only attempted 1 pass in that time, he touched the ball 7 times.
As Herbi says, none of this excuses Dozzell, if he'd have kicked on more under Warburton he may be in a better position now, but he has zero chance of being a success under Ainsworth, no midfielders of any type bar tackle and clear the ball do |  |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 08:52 - Aug 8 with 2492 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 08:36 - Aug 8 by itfcjoe |
I don't really see that it is, it's just try and get out now or effectively see where he ends up when contract up in the summer and what move he can get - playing under Ainsworth this season (in the short term - because he'll be out of the team soon) isn't going to showcase anything he can do so it's just see what he can get lined up for next season. This season is done for him.
You do have to wonder what QPR are doing, to go from Warburton, signing a load of technical players, playing some nice stuff, seemingly well run off the pitch with Ferdinand etc, academy successes and the like to now have gone completely in the other direction with Ainsworth, and getting rid of all backroom staff.
Dozzell will be a casualty of that, as will others but he'd be best off agitating now for a move into L1 to try and kickstart things.
When Ainsworth came in the highly rated Tim Iroegbanum who is on loan from Villa and playing CM, had 5 games out of 7 where he played over an hour and completed less than 10 passes. In one game, against Burnley, he played 68 minutes in central midfield and his pass success rate was 0%, in fairness he only attempted 1 pass in that time, he touched the ball 7 times.
As Herbi says, none of this excuses Dozzell, if he'd have kicked on more under Warburton he may be in a better position now, but he has zero chance of being a success under Ainsworth, no midfielders of any type bar tackle and clear the ball do |
I agree with all of that. The concern with Dozzell though is I am just not sure he is built to compete in the Championship. Whatever team you are playing in and whatever style, you need to win the midfield battle and earn the right to play. You obviously get some very technical players that buck the trend or are helped by having a proper ball winner next to them but it's difficult to carry a player without the physical attributes.
Morsy and Luongo will run all over him in a couple of weeks if he plays. [Post edited 8 Aug 2023 8:54]
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 09:12 - Aug 8 with 2465 views | itfc_bucks |
It wouldn't matter if they had peak Fergie managing them, QPR are going to make our relegation team look like world-beaters. | | | |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 10:02 - Aug 8 with 2426 views | Churchman |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 08:36 - Aug 8 by itfcjoe |
I don't really see that it is, it's just try and get out now or effectively see where he ends up when contract up in the summer and what move he can get - playing under Ainsworth this season (in the short term - because he'll be out of the team soon) isn't going to showcase anything he can do so it's just see what he can get lined up for next season. This season is done for him.
You do have to wonder what QPR are doing, to go from Warburton, signing a load of technical players, playing some nice stuff, seemingly well run off the pitch with Ferdinand etc, academy successes and the like to now have gone completely in the other direction with Ainsworth, and getting rid of all backroom staff.
Dozzell will be a casualty of that, as will others but he'd be best off agitating now for a move into L1 to try and kickstart things.
When Ainsworth came in the highly rated Tim Iroegbanum who is on loan from Villa and playing CM, had 5 games out of 7 where he played over an hour and completed less than 10 passes. In one game, against Burnley, he played 68 minutes in central midfield and his pass success rate was 0%, in fairness he only attempted 1 pass in that time, he touched the ball 7 times.
As Herbi says, none of this excuses Dozzell, if he'd have kicked on more under Warburton he may be in a better position now, but he has zero chance of being a success under Ainsworth, no midfielders of any type bar tackle and clear the ball do |
The internet says Dozzell is on £11,100 a week. Who in L1 can or would be able to pay that? Two or three clubs maybe? Unless of course QPR subsidise but given their financial state I can’t see it. | | | |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 10:52 - Aug 8 with 2372 views | ArnieM |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 08:52 - Aug 8 by tractorboy1978 |
I agree with all of that. The concern with Dozzell though is I am just not sure he is built to compete in the Championship. Whatever team you are playing in and whatever style, you need to win the midfield battle and earn the right to play. You obviously get some very technical players that buck the trend or are helped by having a proper ball winner next to them but it's difficult to carry a player without the physical attributes.
Morsy and Luongo will run all over him in a couple of weeks if he plays. [Post edited 8 Aug 2023 8:54]
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Your point about winning the battle ( by every player) as a basic requirement in the game, (whatever the level I might add), has always been Dozzells problem. He hasn’t got an ounce of it in his game. And that’s his major downfall. He would look good and be effective if he had players like Luongo / Morsy playing around him to do that side of the game for him. But that makes him therefore only a half baked pro to my thinking. |  |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 11:00 - Aug 8 with 2347 views | hype313 |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 10:02 - Aug 8 by Churchman |
The internet says Dozzell is on £11,100 a week. Who in L1 can or would be able to pay that? Two or three clubs maybe? Unless of course QPR subsidise but given their financial state I can’t see it. |
I think he will be hard pressed to get that sort of figure once his contract is up. As Joe said, a stint in League One under a progressive manger and some stability could kickstart his career.
He still has time on his side, but he looks like he's going to have to take a step back to take two steps forward for him to fulfil his early promise. |  |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 11:07 - Aug 8 with 2308 views | Sharkey |
"And yet, already, both first choice centre halves are missing. You are not allowed to know what is wrong with Jimmy Dunne, or Jake Clarke-Salter, nor when either of them might grace us with their presence again, but do please keep tipping your hard-earned into this money furnace during a time of spiralling rent, mortgage and food costs won’t you?"
I'm surprised that in west London there aren't journalists who'd just report what the situation is without caring about the club's blessing. |  | | |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 11:12 - Aug 8 with 2299 views | ITFCBlues |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 18:56 - Aug 7 by Herbivore |
The injury set him back for sure but just as big an issue is that ever since he got fit he's been at clubs and under managers that are absolute basket cases. Came back under Hurst, then had Lambert, then Cook, now a mess at QPR playing for a manager whose tactics are the opposite of how Dozzell naturally plays. He has to take some responsibility for not kicking on, of course, but he's not exactly ever been put in conditions that would help him to develop. |
Wouldn't describe Bealle as a basket case manager but he still flattered to deceive under him.
I just think he's not really very good. |  |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 12:05 - Aug 8 with 2233 views | cbower |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 08:36 - Aug 8 by itfcjoe |
I don't really see that it is, it's just try and get out now or effectively see where he ends up when contract up in the summer and what move he can get - playing under Ainsworth this season (in the short term - because he'll be out of the team soon) isn't going to showcase anything he can do so it's just see what he can get lined up for next season. This season is done for him.
You do have to wonder what QPR are doing, to go from Warburton, signing a load of technical players, playing some nice stuff, seemingly well run off the pitch with Ferdinand etc, academy successes and the like to now have gone completely in the other direction with Ainsworth, and getting rid of all backroom staff.
Dozzell will be a casualty of that, as will others but he'd be best off agitating now for a move into L1 to try and kickstart things.
When Ainsworth came in the highly rated Tim Iroegbanum who is on loan from Villa and playing CM, had 5 games out of 7 where he played over an hour and completed less than 10 passes. In one game, against Burnley, he played 68 minutes in central midfield and his pass success rate was 0%, in fairness he only attempted 1 pass in that time, he touched the ball 7 times.
As Herbi says, none of this excuses Dozzell, if he'd have kicked on more under Warburton he may be in a better position now, but he has zero chance of being a success under Ainsworth, no midfielders of any type bar tackle and clear the ball do |
I can see your points Joe re Ainsworth but the fact is Doz is far too often anonymous. He lacks pace and the physicality of lots of games seems too much for him. As someone else said, Morsy and Luongo will walk all over him. It's disappointing considering his potential, his lineage etc but I would not want him back I'm afraid, not even in a McKenna possession based side. |  |
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| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 12:23 - Aug 8 with 2199 views | Facefacts |
Funny, yes. Not having a go or anything, but I think 'be careful what you wish for' by going over there to lap up Whittingham's words.
His report came out late Sunday evening - there was no match report on the day of the match - he is clearly taking the whole weekend to think up different ways of criticising Ainsworth / Dozzell. He is going to have a right laugh at Ipswich if QPR manage 3 or even 1 point against us.
I vaguely remember his report from when they bullied us at Loftus on their way to promotion to the Premier League, homer ref, the old guy (now at Huddersfield) managing them. Laughing at us like there's no tomorrow.
According to BBC Sport during their game, Dozzell hit the bar in the second half - yes it may have been a bounce on top of the bar - so I kept my eye on things over on Loft For Words. Sure enough, no mention of Dozzell coming closest to scoring for QPR in the second half. Full of praise for the young sub who missed when clean through, though - which was the only QPR chance on the YouTube highlights I saw. |  | | |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 12:38 - Aug 8 with 2178 views | ITFC_Forever |
| Loft for Words match report is quite excellent on 12:23 - Aug 8 by Facefacts |
Funny, yes. Not having a go or anything, but I think 'be careful what you wish for' by going over there to lap up Whittingham's words.
His report came out late Sunday evening - there was no match report on the day of the match - he is clearly taking the whole weekend to think up different ways of criticising Ainsworth / Dozzell. He is going to have a right laugh at Ipswich if QPR manage 3 or even 1 point against us.
I vaguely remember his report from when they bullied us at Loftus on their way to promotion to the Premier League, homer ref, the old guy (now at Huddersfield) managing them. Laughing at us like there's no tomorrow.
According to BBC Sport during their game, Dozzell hit the bar in the second half - yes it may have been a bounce on top of the bar - so I kept my eye on things over on Loft For Words. Sure enough, no mention of Dozzell coming closest to scoring for QPR in the second half. Full of praise for the young sub who missed when clean through, though - which was the only QPR chance on the YouTube highlights I saw. |
Clive’s match reports always come out on a Sunday evening. | |
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