| 12 goals in the last 2 home games! 08:38 - Sep 3 with 1568 views | Dubtractor |
Obviously great entertainment, but I wonder if McKenna might look to temper our approach a bit as the season goes on? We've looked very vulnerable to the counter attack against Leeds and Cardiff - most notably attacking our right hand side yesterday - and I'm sure other teams will have noticed that.
It will be interesting to see if we go a bit cagier at times as needing to claw back 2 goals too often will be a problem. Going all out attack to try and establish a lead is great to watch, but it really does give our defence a hard time - Clarke obviously didn't have a great game yesterday, but in fairness was left horribly exposed too often.
For now though, I'm more than happy to enjoy the goal fests! |  |
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| Nah... attack, attack, ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK on 08:49 - Sep 3 with 1498 views | Dyland |
Seriously though... I thought Omari did superbly when he came on, defensively as much as going forward. Now, I'm a big fan of Burns, particularly on the point that if he was more successful with his crossing he'd be playing in the Prem (possibly) but someone tell me, cos I'm not sure, is he that great defensively? In my mind he's as likely to foul someone tracking back as he is fail tackling them. I'm being hyper critical to assess if Hutchinson will be breathing down his neck... if not as a starter, at least as a regular replacement on 65 or whatever.
Talking of the loans... come the winter I really do believe they'll all be ripping oppos apart. Blue tinted, biased, clueless, yeh yeh whatever :) |  |
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| Nah... attack, attack, ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK on 08:56 - Sep 3 with 1463 views | Dubtractor |
| Nah... attack, attack, ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK on 08:49 - Sep 3 by Dyland |
Seriously though... I thought Omari did superbly when he came on, defensively as much as going forward. Now, I'm a big fan of Burns, particularly on the point that if he was more successful with his crossing he'd be playing in the Prem (possibly) but someone tell me, cos I'm not sure, is he that great defensively? In my mind he's as likely to foul someone tracking back as he is fail tackling them. I'm being hyper critical to assess if Hutchinson will be breathing down his neck... if not as a starter, at least as a regular replacement on 65 or whatever.
Talking of the loans... come the winter I really do believe they'll all be ripping oppos apart. Blue tinted, biased, clueless, yeh yeh whatever :) |
Are you Frimmers in disguise mate?
I think Burns can be hit and miss defensively, and he definitely left Clarke exposed a bit yesterday. Does like a foul too! I'm a huge fan of what he offers going forward though.
I think Hutchinson is improving with each week, as you'd expect, and definitely gives us a great option from the bench for now, but as you suggest I think he'll be a huge asset as the season goes on. A couple of hist dribbles yesterday reminded me of Bobby Petta - a player I used to love watching. | |
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| 12 goals in the last 2 home games! on 08:58 - Sep 3 with 1450 views | Herbivore |
I don't think the approach will change but I imagine there will be a lot of work on the training ground on some of our one on one defending as that's where we've been caught out in the last two home games. |  |
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| 12 goals in the last 2 home games! on 08:58 - Sep 3 with 1443 views | BlueStreak |
I wonder if we get into a position where we drop a Chaplin and replace with Taylor at some point. Add a little more defensive steal in there whilst knowing he can still get forward into the box and can hit from distance? |  | | |
| Pettaesque! on 09:00 - Sep 3 with 1433 views | Dyland |
| Nah... attack, attack, ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK on 08:56 - Sep 3 by Dubtractor |
Are you Frimmers in disguise mate?
I think Burns can be hit and miss defensively, and he definitely left Clarke exposed a bit yesterday. Does like a foul too! I'm a huge fan of what he offers going forward though.
I think Hutchinson is improving with each week, as you'd expect, and definitely gives us a great option from the bench for now, but as you suggest I think he'll be a huge asset as the season goes on. A couple of hist dribbles yesterday reminded me of Bobby Petta - a player I used to love watching. |
Oh do behave x | |
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| Nah... attack, attack, ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK on 09:00 - Sep 3 with 1430 views | JohnTy |
| Nah... attack, attack, ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK on 08:49 - Sep 3 by Dyland |
Seriously though... I thought Omari did superbly when he came on, defensively as much as going forward. Now, I'm a big fan of Burns, particularly on the point that if he was more successful with his crossing he'd be playing in the Prem (possibly) but someone tell me, cos I'm not sure, is he that great defensively? In my mind he's as likely to foul someone tracking back as he is fail tackling them. I'm being hyper critical to assess if Hutchinson will be breathing down his neck... if not as a starter, at least as a regular replacement on 65 or whatever.
Talking of the loans... come the winter I really do believe they'll all be ripping oppos apart. Blue tinted, biased, clueless, yeh yeh whatever :) |
Having Taylor, Hutchinson and Williams on the bench is a big boost when opposition teams begin to tire, as I expect Scarlett will be also.
By contrast Norwich didn't have a strong enough bench yesterday to take advantage of Rotherham's tiredness in the last 20 minutes. |  | | |
| P.S. on 09:04 - Sep 3 with 1394 views | Dyland |
| Nah... attack, attack, ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK on 08:56 - Sep 3 by Dubtractor |
Are you Frimmers in disguise mate?
I think Burns can be hit and miss defensively, and he definitely left Clarke exposed a bit yesterday. Does like a foul too! I'm a huge fan of what he offers going forward though.
I think Hutchinson is improving with each week, as you'd expect, and definitely gives us a great option from the bench for now, but as you suggest I think he'll be a huge asset as the season goes on. A couple of hist dribbles yesterday reminded me of Bobby Petta - a player I used to love watching. |
I know you're joking, well you better be or I'll duff you fackin up, but Frimmers criticises his attacking not his defending. Hmmm, he possibly criticses his defending as well but I've stopped paying attention to his Burns posts.
Burn baby Burn! I love Wes innit. | |
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| 12 goals in the last 2 home games! on 09:04 - Sep 3 with 1383 views | Herbivore |
| 12 goals in the last 2 home games! on 08:58 - Sep 3 by BlueStreak |
I wonder if we get into a position where we drop a Chaplin and replace with Taylor at some point. Add a little more defensive steal in there whilst knowing he can still get forward into the box and can hit from distance? |
I doubt it and I'd also hope not. | |
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| P.S. on 09:10 - Sep 3 with 1360 views | Dubtractor |
| P.S. on 09:04 - Sep 3 by Dyland |
I know you're joking, well you better be or I'll duff you fackin up, but Frimmers criticises his attacking not his defending. Hmmm, he possibly criticses his defending as well but I've stopped paying attention to his Burns posts.
Burn baby Burn! I love Wes innit. |
I'm just ribbing, obviously, and not looking to poke frimmers either tbf. | |
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| 12 goals in the last 2 home games! on 09:19 - Sep 3 with 1302 views | Swansea_Blue |
We should just buy KM a Kevin Keegan wig and leave him to it. It’s great entertainment (if a bit nerve wracking at times). |  |
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| 12 goals in the last 2 home games! on 09:34 - Sep 3 with 1266 views | NthQldITFC |
| 12 goals in the last 2 home games! on 08:58 - Sep 3 by BlueStreak |
I wonder if we get into a position where we drop a Chaplin and replace with Taylor at some point. Add a little more defensive steal in there whilst knowing he can still get forward into the box and can hit from distance? |
That would be crazy. Chaplin is our most natural goalscorer (although Broadhead runs him a very close second). What I could see happening is:
.................Walton
............Woolfy...Burg
RB
.........Morsy........Luongo......Davis
..................Taylor
..........Chaplin....Broadhead
...................Hirst
No idea what you'd call the formation, perhaps a nominal narrow 433, but with the RB and Taylor both a bit advanced, and Davis super-advanced. Full backs both doing a lot of up and down, with Chaplin and Broadhead fairly narrow and with Taylor's presence in transition to defence allowing Morsy and Luongo to give a bit of extra cover to the full backs. [Post edited 3 Sep 2023 9:35]
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| Nah... attack, attack, ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK on 09:35 - Sep 3 with 1260 views | Churchman |
| Nah... attack, attack, ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK on 08:56 - Sep 3 by Dubtractor |
Are you Frimmers in disguise mate?
I think Burns can be hit and miss defensively, and he definitely left Clarke exposed a bit yesterday. Does like a foul too! I'm a huge fan of what he offers going forward though.
I think Hutchinson is improving with each week, as you'd expect, and definitely gives us a great option from the bench for now, but as you suggest I think he'll be a huge asset as the season goes on. A couple of hist dribbles yesterday reminded me of Bobby Petta - a player I used to love watching. |
Hutchinson is an interesting one. When I first saw him, I didn’t like the look of him. He ambled out, looked miserable, small and surly. When he came on, not much there. Could be a waste of a loan, thought I. I did say as much on here, but added that he needed settling in time as everyone does in a new place.
I watched him yesterday. My initial impression at the Stoke game was wrong. He walked out chatting and laughing with somebody, looked relaxed and a lot more comfortable. When he came on, omg. He tore in and ripped up their left side defence. He looked hungry for the ball and a really good prospect to me. I can see him hurting teams this season. Worked well with Williams too, who also impressed.
Burns? I think he’s a good player. He has pace, skill and a great attitude. Yes, some of his decision making leaves a little to be desired, but he’s always looking to get by, through and round his opponents into places they don’t like. Defensively? Not the best I’ve ever seen. |  | | |
| 12 goals in the last 2 home games! on 09:38 - Sep 3 with 1252 views | Guthrum |
On the other hand, teams will have to fear our attacking prowess and ability to come back even from a significant deficit. If they also don't defend really well, they'll find themselves pegged back, then overtaken, even if successful in getting a lead. Throwing bodies forward will be extremely risky.
Plus we have a superb shot-stopper, a decent understudy/cup 'keeper and another top goalie temporarily out injured even if they do break through. |  |
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| 12 goals in the last 2 home games! on 09:38 - Sep 3 with 1249 views | Dyland |
| 12 goals in the last 2 home games! on 09:34 - Sep 3 by NthQldITFC |
That would be crazy. Chaplin is our most natural goalscorer (although Broadhead runs him a very close second). What I could see happening is:
.................Walton
............Woolfy...Burg
RB
.........Morsy........Luongo......Davis
..................Taylor
..........Chaplin....Broadhead
...................Hirst
No idea what you'd call the formation, perhaps a nominal narrow 433, but with the RB and Taylor both a bit advanced, and Davis super-advanced. Full backs both doing a lot of up and down, with Chaplin and Broadhead fairly narrow and with Taylor's presence in transition to defence allowing Morsy and Luongo to give a bit of extra cover to the full backs. [Post edited 3 Sep 2023 9:35]
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Surely a straightforward 4-3-3 non? Really like the vibe of this team.
I feel silly for scoffing at Chickers now, who generally knows even less than me about tactics and that. | |
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| Agree with all that, very eloquently put Churchers (n/t) on 09:40 - Sep 3 with 1238 views | Dyland |
| Nah... attack, attack, ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK on 09:35 - Sep 3 by Churchman |
Hutchinson is an interesting one. When I first saw him, I didn’t like the look of him. He ambled out, looked miserable, small and surly. When he came on, not much there. Could be a waste of a loan, thought I. I did say as much on here, but added that he needed settling in time as everyone does in a new place.
I watched him yesterday. My initial impression at the Stoke game was wrong. He walked out chatting and laughing with somebody, looked relaxed and a lot more comfortable. When he came on, omg. He tore in and ripped up their left side defence. He looked hungry for the ball and a really good prospect to me. I can see him hurting teams this season. Worked well with Williams too, who also impressed.
Burns? I think he’s a good player. He has pace, skill and a great attitude. Yes, some of his decision making leaves a little to be desired, but he’s always looking to get by, through and round his opponents into places they don’t like. Defensively? Not the best I’ve ever seen. |
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| 12 goals in the last 2 home games! on 09:43 - Sep 3 with 1229 views | Guthrum |
| 12 goals in the last 2 home games! on 09:34 - Sep 3 by NthQldITFC |
That would be crazy. Chaplin is our most natural goalscorer (although Broadhead runs him a very close second). What I could see happening is:
.................Walton
............Woolfy...Burg
RB
.........Morsy........Luongo......Davis
..................Taylor
..........Chaplin....Broadhead
...................Hirst
No idea what you'd call the formation, perhaps a nominal narrow 433, but with the RB and Taylor both a bit advanced, and Davis super-advanced. Full backs both doing a lot of up and down, with Chaplin and Broadhead fairly narrow and with Taylor's presence in transition to defence allowing Morsy and Luongo to give a bit of extra cover to the full backs. [Post edited 3 Sep 2023 9:35]
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Chaplin is also a player opponents know they need to watch, that they can't give him an inch of leeway. Which, given his speed, movement, license to roam and instinct for getting into tricky positions, really messes up defences. | |
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| 12 goals in the last 2 home games! on 09:48 - Sep 3 with 1198 views | BloomBlue |
Although on the flip side if other teams do focus on our right side it will leave gaps for us to attack on our left side, which for the last year has been our most productive side for goal creation.
One area I think KM will need to look at is tracking players running from midfield. Cardiff's first goal yesterday to be fair was created using fast passing across the pitch but Ramsey was allowed to run from the midfield without a Town player tracking him. That happened at Sunderland and a couple of times at the Stoke game. As I said, credit to Cardiff how quickly they moved that ball for the first but Ramsey was able to pass it without a challenge and then continue his run without being tracked |  | | |
| 12 goals in the last 2 home games! on 09:53 - Sep 3 with 1185 views | NthQldITFC |
| 12 goals in the last 2 home games! on 09:38 - Sep 3 by Dyland |
Surely a straightforward 4-3-3 non? Really like the vibe of this team.
I feel silly for scoffing at Chickers now, who generally knows even less than me about tactics and that. |
Yes, I suppose it would be on a base of 4-3-3 in defence...
....................Walton
RB..........Woolfy...Burg.............Davis
.....Morsy......Taylor......Luongo
.......Chaplin...Hirst....Broadhead
...morphing into that other shape in attack with Taylor and the fullbacks advancing, Morsy and Luongo going narrower and the front three being pretty dynamic in shape, but probably often narrower at least on one side.
....................Walton
..............Woolfy...Burg
RB
.........Morsy........Luongo........Davis
(RB).............Taylor
..........Chaplin....Broadhead..(Davis)
....................Hirst | |
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| looks tasty (n/t) on 10:00 - Sep 3 with 1155 views | Dyland |
| 12 goals in the last 2 home games! on 09:53 - Sep 3 by NthQldITFC |
Yes, I suppose it would be on a base of 4-3-3 in defence...
....................Walton
RB..........Woolfy...Burg.............Davis
.....Morsy......Taylor......Luongo
.......Chaplin...Hirst....Broadhead
...morphing into that other shape in attack with Taylor and the fullbacks advancing, Morsy and Luongo going narrower and the front three being pretty dynamic in shape, but probably often narrower at least on one side.
....................Walton
..............Woolfy...Burg
RB
.........Morsy........Luongo........Davis
(RB).............Taylor
..........Chaplin....Broadhead..(Davis)
....................Hirst |
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| P.S. on 10:02 - Sep 3 with 1144 views | Mullet |
| P.S. on 09:10 - Sep 3 by Dubtractor |
I'm just ribbing, obviously, and not looking to poke frimmers either tbf. |
Beep, beep, Dubbers reversing! |  |
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| 12 goals in the last 2 home games! on 10:04 - Sep 3 with 1136 views | Mullet |
Yesterday's first half did make me think we needed a Skuse type role (albeit adapted for this system) to screen the ball away from Clarke and seeing players getting doubled up on.
Likewise we needed Sears' trick of just cutting inside and drilling it low into the far corner from the left. Broadhead finally got the memo and did it a bit more spectacular, but those were two gaps in either side that seemed to be recurring all game. | |
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| 12 goals in the last 2 home games! on 10:05 - Sep 3 with 1126 views | Guthrum |
| 12 goals in the last 2 home games! on 09:48 - Sep 3 by BloomBlue |
Although on the flip side if other teams do focus on our right side it will leave gaps for us to attack on our left side, which for the last year has been our most productive side for goal creation.
One area I think KM will need to look at is tracking players running from midfield. Cardiff's first goal yesterday to be fair was created using fast passing across the pitch but Ramsey was allowed to run from the midfield without a Town player tracking him. That happened at Sunderland and a couple of times at the Stoke game. As I said, credit to Cardiff how quickly they moved that ball for the first but Ramsey was able to pass it without a challenge and then continue his run without being tracked |
Morsy and Luongo are superb at tackling, breaking up play and driving forwards, but they aren't the speediest midfielders around (they're very good, but no player at this level is the complete package). That "weakness" does enable faster Ramsey-type players to run away from them, particularly when attention is focussed elsewhere. | |
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| 12 goals in the last 2 home games! on 10:08 - Sep 3 with 1101 views | pointofblue |
I actually thought Burns defensively was generally fine yesterday. He was often marking one player out of the game; it wasn't his fault Clarke was continually backing off and giving another player space rather than engaging. |  |
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| 12 goals in the last 2 home games! on 10:18 - Sep 3 with 1040 views | Steve_M |
I think it might be more about defending better in the first instance, Clarke is showing the effects of missing a chunk of pre-season and is only starting because JD is injured. At the moment though we’re at risk of burning players out, Morsy and Luongo in particular but also Chaplin, before the clocks change.
On the other points raised in this thread, Hutchinson is getting better by the week, definite ability and a good work rate but obviously raw, particularly in his decision-making at times. He made one important tackle late on which, deservedly, got a big cheer.
It’s not unthinkable not to play Chaplin every match, his lack of physicality really showed against Leeds but also a bit yesterday which is part if the reason Morsy and Luongo had to work so hard. Our subs won as the match yesterday, so how McKenna utilises the squad will be important this season, it will be more complicated than last season because the opposition is better. |  |
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