| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now 16:35 - Oct 12 with 20933 views | MaySixth |
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| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 10:55 - Oct 13 with 2153 views | Radlett_blue |
Hamas have deliberately tried to provoke Israel & they appear to have succeeded. The politics of the Middle East are moving away from from the Palestinian issue e.g. Saudi Arabia is close to a relationship with Israel. If Israel launch a major attack, which will certainly involve a large number of civilian deaths, much of the world will react with horror & other groups or countries may be sucked into the conflict, thus putting the Palestinian issue back on the front pages. It's hard to see this ending well for Hamas & the Palestinians as a longer lasting peace deal, involving a separate Palestinian state, will be impossible for years as extremists on both sides take centre stage. |  |
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| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 10:56 - Oct 13 with 2133 views | noggin |
| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 10:18 - Oct 13 by Zapers |
Whatever you think old chap! United nations is toothless, just refer to Zelensk. |
Of course they're toothless, because governments ignore them when it suits. That doesn't mean they're wrong. |  |
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| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 10:58 - Oct 13 with 2127 views | Blueschev |
| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 10:55 - Oct 13 by Radlett_blue |
Hamas have deliberately tried to provoke Israel & they appear to have succeeded. The politics of the Middle East are moving away from from the Palestinian issue e.g. Saudi Arabia is close to a relationship with Israel. If Israel launch a major attack, which will certainly involve a large number of civilian deaths, much of the world will react with horror & other groups or countries may be sucked into the conflict, thus putting the Palestinian issue back on the front pages. It's hard to see this ending well for Hamas & the Palestinians as a longer lasting peace deal, involving a separate Palestinian state, will be impossible for years as extremists on both sides take centre stage. |
A separate Palestinian state has been impossible for decades, if it was ever possible at all. It will never happen. |  | | |
| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:12 - Oct 13 with 2066 views | TalkingBlues |
As a neutral, I read this thread through and the feeling I pick up on, is anger towards Israel. This, I find remarkable, given the atrocities that recently unfolded against their state.
For the several of you commenting on Hamas as a terrorist organisation (nominated so by The West) please let me remind you that they are the presiding Political Party in Gaza, they won elections, the people of Gaza voted for them over Fatah, the people of Gaza chose a party of violence and religious jihad, over a party seeking peaceful resolution in the area, so please let's not keep speaking of "the innocent Palestinian terrorists". |  |
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| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:16 - Oct 13 with 2049 views | Cornette |
| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:12 - Oct 13 by TalkingBlues |
As a neutral, I read this thread through and the feeling I pick up on, is anger towards Israel. This, I find remarkable, given the atrocities that recently unfolded against their state.
For the several of you commenting on Hamas as a terrorist organisation (nominated so by The West) please let me remind you that they are the presiding Political Party in Gaza, they won elections, the people of Gaza voted for them over Fatah, the people of Gaza chose a party of violence and religious jihad, over a party seeking peaceful resolution in the area, so please let's not keep speaking of "the innocent Palestinian terrorists". |
The last election was in 2006. A lot has changed. |  |
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| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:19 - Oct 13 with 2018 views | Swansea_Blue |
| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:12 - Oct 13 by TalkingBlues |
As a neutral, I read this thread through and the feeling I pick up on, is anger towards Israel. This, I find remarkable, given the atrocities that recently unfolded against their state.
For the several of you commenting on Hamas as a terrorist organisation (nominated so by The West) please let me remind you that they are the presiding Political Party in Gaza, they won elections, the people of Gaza voted for them over Fatah, the people of Gaza chose a party of violence and religious jihad, over a party seeking peaceful resolution in the area, so please let's not keep speaking of "the innocent Palestinian terrorists". |
That’s a bit muddled. Nobody is saying that Hamas are innocent. And you can’t surely think that everyone in Palestine deserves to be bombed, even if some of them voted in Hamas. What about all the kids killed so far? They didn’t vote for this.
Hamas are a vile organisation that deserves everything coming to it. But innocents will be caught up in the escalating attacks. Maybe that’s a price worth paying in the long run if they can wipe out Hamas, but I’m not sure who has the moral authority to make a call like that. |  |
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| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:19 - Oct 13 with 2010 views | Blueschev |
| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:12 - Oct 13 by TalkingBlues |
As a neutral, I read this thread through and the feeling I pick up on, is anger towards Israel. This, I find remarkable, given the atrocities that recently unfolded against their state.
For the several of you commenting on Hamas as a terrorist organisation (nominated so by The West) please let me remind you that they are the presiding Political Party in Gaza, they won elections, the people of Gaza voted for them over Fatah, the people of Gaza chose a party of violence and religious jihad, over a party seeking peaceful resolution in the area, so please let's not keep speaking of "the innocent Palestinian terrorists". |
47% of the population of Gaza are children, they've never voted. But lets punish them anyway, that'll lead to peace. | | | |
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| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:22 - Oct 13 with 1982 views | Ryorry |
| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:16 - Oct 13 by Cornette |
The last election was in 2006. A lot has changed. |
And they barely had 50% of ordinary Palestinian people’s’ votes even then I believe. |  |
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| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:35 - Oct 13 with 1930 views | lowhouseblue |
i'm not doubting the relevance of lebanon. i'm just wondering about the route from gaza to lebanon that might be open to hamas terrorists? |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:41 - Oct 13 with 1886 views | Ryorry |
| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:35 - Oct 13 by lowhouseblue |
i'm not doubting the relevance of lebanon. i'm just wondering about the route from gaza to lebanon that might be open to hamas terrorists? |
Apparently Hamas have 500Km of underground tunnels, and I've just googled the distance from Gaza to Lebanon border - 281Km, so ... | |
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| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:45 - Oct 13 with 1863 views | TalkingBlues |
| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:16 - Oct 13 by Cornette |
The last election was in 2006. A lot has changed. |
Judging from the recent murder of thousands of Israeli's, I'd say that the fundamentalist ideals of destroying Israel are still very much intact. | |
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| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:46 - Oct 13 with 1855 views | Ryorry |
| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 10:55 - Oct 13 by Radlett_blue |
Hamas have deliberately tried to provoke Israel & they appear to have succeeded. The politics of the Middle East are moving away from from the Palestinian issue e.g. Saudi Arabia is close to a relationship with Israel. If Israel launch a major attack, which will certainly involve a large number of civilian deaths, much of the world will react with horror & other groups or countries may be sucked into the conflict, thus putting the Palestinian issue back on the front pages. It's hard to see this ending well for Hamas & the Palestinians as a longer lasting peace deal, involving a separate Palestinian state, will be impossible for years as extremists on both sides take centre stage. |
The normal opposition parties in Israel's current Emergency Coalition govt. don't seem to be having much influence in urging restraint do they.
I wonder what the mood is amongst ordinary Israelis about their Govt's latest tactics - normally there's plenty of opposition (& protest), but perhaps they're overtaken by fear now, which would be understandable. | |
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| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:48 - Oct 13 with 1846 views | Cornette |
| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:45 - Oct 13 by TalkingBlues |
Judging from the recent murder of thousands of Israeli's, I'd say that the fundamentalist ideals of destroying Israel are still very much intact. |
I'd say that, unbelievably, your political takes are even worse than your football ones, son. | |
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| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:49 - Oct 13 with 1823 views | Radlett_blue |
| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:19 - Oct 13 by Blueschev |
47% of the population of Gaza are children, they've never voted. But lets punish them anyway, that'll lead to peace. |
According to the latest reports, around 1300 Israelis were killed in the Hamas attacks. Israeli air strikes have killed over 1500 people, many of whom will be innocent civilians & children. Israel is clearly gearing up for a massive invasion of Gaza, which will surely kill many more & leave umpteen people homeless. My government appears to be standing by Israel - if they continue to do so after huge Israeli reprisals, I will feel rather sick. For once, I am in agreement with the FA over their decision not to show the Israeli flag tonight. | |
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| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:55 - Oct 13 with 1792 views | TalkingBlues |
| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:19 - Oct 13 by Swansea_Blue |
That’s a bit muddled. Nobody is saying that Hamas are innocent. And you can’t surely think that everyone in Palestine deserves to be bombed, even if some of them voted in Hamas. What about all the kids killed so far? They didn’t vote for this.
Hamas are a vile organisation that deserves everything coming to it. But innocents will be caught up in the escalating attacks. Maybe that’s a price worth paying in the long run if they can wipe out Hamas, but I’m not sure who has the moral authority to make a call like that. |
A is attacked by B, so B retaliates and the general feeling on this thread becomes disapproval of B, how does that make sense to anybody? Feels like there's a lot of underlying "stuff" that people are afraid to just plainly say and so they flip flop around it, but still firmly point the finger in direction of B.
In an ideal world, nobody gets killed, but that's not reality. Kids will be killed, alongside parents, grandparents, nephews, nieces, animals etc etc, a bomb doesn't discriminate, like the the Hamas terrorists didn't when they raped and murdered women, children and old people in Israel.
As others have alluded to, these "brave" fighters from Hamas hide in schools, hospitals and amongst the general public to give themselves a better chance of survival, I can't think of anything more cowardly. The question we don't know the answer to, is how complicit are the Gaza residents with all this? They had a choice and they chose violence, over peace, this is the sum of that choice. | |
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| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:58 - Oct 13 with 1766 views | Ryorry |
| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:49 - Oct 13 by Radlett_blue |
According to the latest reports, around 1300 Israelis were killed in the Hamas attacks. Israeli air strikes have killed over 1500 people, many of whom will be innocent civilians & children. Israel is clearly gearing up for a massive invasion of Gaza, which will surely kill many more & leave umpteen people homeless. My government appears to be standing by Israel - if they continue to do so after huge Israeli reprisals, I will feel rather sick. For once, I am in agreement with the FA over their decision not to show the Israeli flag tonight. |
The atrocities from both sides are sickening, the potential for escalation involving other countries is scary, and some diplomat somewhere needs to step up and step in to bring about a cease-fire & bringing in of a peace-keeping force.
But who's out there of sufficient stature & neutrality? Anyone? | |
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| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:58 - Oct 13 with 1766 views | TalkingBlues |
| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:48 - Oct 13 by Cornette |
I'd say that, unbelievably, your political takes are even worse than your football ones, son. |
Yes, sure, why not, I'm in the wrong cos I won't support a terrorist organisation that just committed atrocities, resulting in the murder of thousands of innocent people.
And I'm the one with bad take? My days, this place man | |
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| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:59 - Oct 13 with 1757 views | lowhouseblue |
| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:46 - Oct 13 by Ryorry |
The normal opposition parties in Israel's current Emergency Coalition govt. don't seem to be having much influence in urging restraint do they.
I wonder what the mood is amongst ordinary Israelis about their Govt's latest tactics - normally there's plenty of opposition (& protest), but perhaps they're overtaken by fear now, which would be understandable. |
real fear plus lots of israelis have a siege mentality. the perception of the country as surrounded by and threatened by enemies is widespread (understandably). there therefore seems to be a widespread instinct for vengeance and a fear of appearing weak. many generations of living under threat and experiencing atrocities doesn't encourage anyone to turn the other cheek. these aren't attitudes limited to the current government. not wishing to stereotype anyone of course.
only tangentially related i thought this was interesting:
https://unherd.com/2023/10/can-the-pro-palestine-left-redeem-itself/ | |
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| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 12:01 - Oct 13 with 1743 views | blueasfook |
| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 10:51 - Oct 13 by BlueForYou |
Hopping over the Egyptian border to the south might be a better option maybe? |
Wherever they scarper to. You can be sure they wont be around when Israel invade. Either that or they'll just mingle into the general population.
Much like the Taliban who all came out of the woodwork as soon as Western forces departed. [Post edited 13 Oct 2023 12:02]
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| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 12:03 - Oct 13 with 1712 views | TalkingBlues |
| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:19 - Oct 13 by Blueschev |
47% of the population of Gaza are children, they've never voted. But lets punish them anyway, that'll lead to peace. |
If 47% of the population are kids and 50%'ish of the population voted for Hamas, then you're indicating that pretty much the entire voting age population of Gaza firmly support (and voted for) a violent, terrorist organisation, that wages religious jihad in the pursuit of the destruction of Israel, who just committed horrendous atrocities.
You can't have it all ways, make up your mind, are they all innocent, or does the finger point towards the population being complicit with Hamas? [Post edited 13 Oct 2023 12:06]
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| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 12:06 - Oct 13 with 1667 views | LankHenners |
| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 11:55 - Oct 13 by TalkingBlues |
A is attacked by B, so B retaliates and the general feeling on this thread becomes disapproval of B, how does that make sense to anybody? Feels like there's a lot of underlying "stuff" that people are afraid to just plainly say and so they flip flop around it, but still firmly point the finger in direction of B.
In an ideal world, nobody gets killed, but that's not reality. Kids will be killed, alongside parents, grandparents, nephews, nieces, animals etc etc, a bomb doesn't discriminate, like the the Hamas terrorists didn't when they raped and murdered women, children and old people in Israel.
As others have alluded to, these "brave" fighters from Hamas hide in schools, hospitals and amongst the general public to give themselves a better chance of survival, I can't think of anything more cowardly. The question we don't know the answer to, is how complicit are the Gaza residents with all this? They had a choice and they chose violence, over peace, this is the sum of that choice. |
Posting a load of drivel to bait responses from people on football threads is tedious enough, doing so on matters like this really is pretty poor. |  |
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| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 12:09 - Oct 13 with 1627 views | TalkingBlues |
| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 12:06 - Oct 13 by LankHenners |
Posting a load of drivel to bait responses from people on football threads is tedious enough, doing so on matters like this really is pretty poor. |
People seem to have difficulty understanding what's happened and it appears necessary to break it down into the simplest of terms, which is what I've done, to avoid confusion over what we are discussing.
Your attempts to bait me and derail the thread, alongside the accusation you make, are extremely distasteful. | |
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| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 12:09 - Oct 13 with 1625 views | Blueschev |
| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 12:03 - Oct 13 by TalkingBlues |
If 47% of the population are kids and 50%'ish of the population voted for Hamas, then you're indicating that pretty much the entire voting age population of Gaza firmly support (and voted for) a violent, terrorist organisation, that wages religious jihad in the pursuit of the destruction of Israel, who just committed horrendous atrocities.
You can't have it all ways, make up your mind, are they all innocent, or does the finger point towards the population being complicit with Hamas? [Post edited 13 Oct 2023 12:06]
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Jesus, I thought you were thick when it came to football. | | | |
| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 12:12 - Oct 13 with 1596 views | Ryorry |
| I think it might be time to stop bombing kids in Gaza now on 12:09 - Oct 13 by TalkingBlues |
People seem to have difficulty understanding what's happened and it appears necessary to break it down into the simplest of terms, which is what I've done, to avoid confusion over what we are discussing.
Your attempts to bait me and derail the thread, alongside the accusation you make, are extremely distasteful. |
That's both incredibly arrogant & thoroughly misplaced. | |
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