| Labour win Tamworth & Mid-Beds 03:04 - Oct 20 with 6351 views | ElderGrizzly |
And the good thing is, Reform are cannibalising the Tory vote.
I wonder if Richard Tice will still keep his promise and put a candidate against every Tory candidate in the General Election?
Fingers crossed
Also, what a tw@t
[Post edited 20 Oct 2023 3:23]
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| Labour win Tamworth & Mid-Beds on 11:45 - Oct 20 with 1387 views | Herbivore |
| Labour win Tamworth & Mid-Beds on 11:39 - Oct 20 by Guthrum |
I'd actually say that FPTP reinforces the individual MP's clout. Under pure PR, they are simply on a party's list and entirely beholden to head office. Defy the whip or show insufficient loyalty and your name is excluded for next time. |
They can remove the party whip from MPs under FPTP. Deselection is trickier but there are still mechanisms whereby the MP can be blunted. I don't think our system is remotely fit for purpose to be honest and it's certainly not very democratic. We have an unelected second chamber comprising people mainly there because they've given money or favours to their political allies and a system for electing the lower chamber that means around half the votes effectively don't count. |  |
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| Labour win Tamworth & Mid-Beds on 12:17 - Oct 20 with 1327 views | ElderGrizzly |
Ha. Tice replied to me to confirm the suicide pact
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| Labour win Tamworth & Mid-Beds on 13:36 - Oct 20 with 1264 views | Radlett_blue |
| Labour win Tamworth & Mid-Beds on 10:50 - Oct 20 by MattinLondon |
The Tories, as they are, will definitely not get my vote but I do think it’s important that the country has a strong opposition. So part of me doesn’t want to see the Tories to be wiped out. |
They won't be wiped out but the current indication is that they will suffer as bad a defeat as 1997 & Labour will win a huge majority. There will then be a group who think they lost because they weren't "truly Conservative" (i.e. more right wing) so the party will tear itself apart, rather than having a proper think about why they have fallen out of favour & genuinely reforming. The emergence of Reform UK is part of this process. |  |
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| Labour win Tamworth & Mid-Beds on 13:48 - Oct 20 with 1247 views | bluelagos |
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| Labour win Tamworth & Mid-Beds on 14:35 - Oct 20 with 1181 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Labour win Tamworth & Mid-Beds on 11:39 - Oct 20 by Guthrum |
I'd actually say that FPTP reinforces the individual MP's clout. Under pure PR, they are simply on a party's list and entirely beholden to head office. Defy the whip or show insufficient loyalty and your name is excluded for next time. |
I disagree - under FPTP parties only get to put forward one candidate per constituency and as we've seen with Labour selections recently and Tory ones at the last election, head office can basically determine who is selected (or at least block candidates with differing views).
With open list proportional representation (which many people seem not to be aware of, despite it being probably the most common form used in other countries), parties put forward multiple candidates (usually as many as there are seats available in a constituency) and voters rank the candidates of the party they vote for. This means if a party puts up seven candidates, five of whom are party loyalists and two of whom are independently-minded, voters can influence the outcome of which ones are elected. |  | | |
| Labour win Tamworth & Mid-Beds on 17:36 - Oct 20 with 1055 views | Zx1988 |
| Labour win Tamworth & Mid-Beds on 10:16 - Oct 20 by GlasgowBlue |
The Tories are at a bit of a crossroads and both factions will take some comfort from the fact that the Labour vote hardly rose in Tamworth & actually fell in Mid Beds. So they will assess that Tory voters stayed at home rather than flocked to Labour.
The hard right will insist that this is a sign that the party is not right wing enough and the centre right will claim the opposite.
As most One Nation and centre right Tories have been purged from the party then I can only see the hard right winning the argument. Which in turn will see them in opposition for many more years.
Unless I have misjudged the country and we really do want a right wing populist government. |
Is it not the case that the fact that the Labour vote stayed at about the same numerical level, despite the reduced turnout, is an even bigger warning to the Tories rather than a crumb of comfort?
I've seen the odd Tory commentator clinging to the raw numbers as a sign that it's not the big win that Labour are making it out to be, but on the other hand they've increased their share of the vote by 22.1% in Tamworth, and 12.4% in Bedfordshire. |  |
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| Labour win Tamworth & Mid-Beds on 17:43 - Oct 20 with 1033 views | positivity |
liking the 20 point swing graphs on your link too! | |
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| Labour win Tamworth & Mid-Beds on 17:48 - Oct 20 with 1004 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Labour win Tamworth & Mid-Beds on 13:48 - Oct 20 by bluelagos |
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| Labour win Tamworth & Mid-Beds on 17:59 - Oct 20 with 971 views | eireblue |
Just nonsense spin that they hope people will read.
Keep saying no one really likes Starmer enough times and hope it sinks into people’s brains.
Just a nonsense to think all the Labour voters turned out and only some of the Tory voters did.
I thought they just had a brilliant conference and Rishi inspired the country with his talk of change and his vision for the country. Maybe some of them missed that as well. |  | | |
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