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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? 19:54 - Nov 2 with 246669 viewsnoggin

Yeah but Owen Jones...
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 22:28 - Nov 7 with 3505 viewsredrickstuhaart

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 22:24 - Nov 7 by eireblue

So if the West Bank problem was solved, Hamas would give up?

Hamas had a war with Fatah to control Gaza.

You really think Hamas would relinquish their control of Gaza, lay down arms, because Fatah or another Palestinian political group managed to broker peace in the West Bank?

The issue is quite simple, and not linked, how do you stop Hamas killing people.


Not what I said. But if there was no constant oppression and annexation of people's homes and land, there would, over time, be far less support and far less recruitment for the likes of Hamas.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 22:48 - Nov 7 with 3478 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 09:45 - Nov 7 by matteoblue

It is odd how people can defend the pogrom of October 7th. It is possible to justify an invasion, which always results in the loss of innocent life. But I've never heard a racist killing spree defended before. This is what is shocking.


Seeing what has led to it is not the same as defending it....can you see that?

"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 23:00 - Nov 7 with 3466 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 15:07 - Nov 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna

Okay so we aren’t actively targeting civilians via proxies we control like Iran then. Thanks

I’ve been consistent in criticising the UK stance, but to suggest we are in a proxy conflict just doesn’t stand up. We literally have no control over Israeli defence policy, neither does the US as they are now finding out. Iran has a lot of influence over Hezbollah and other factions int he region.

The question about arming Israel is a difficult one, they are surrounded by hostile states with larger militaries. Countries that openly call for the destruction of Israel and have of course attacked it in the past. If they did not have access to advanced weaponry they could face an existential threat not seen since the holocaust. But how do you then ensure they aren’t used immorally against civilians? That’s the catch 22 the West faces.


"We literally have no control over Israeli defence policy, neither does the US as they are now finding out. "

Maybe we and the US shouldn't sell them weapons then.

"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 23:09 - Nov 7 with 3456 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2023/11/07/-What-crime-did-they-c


"Iyad Shaqura, a doctor of pharmacy turned by war into an emergency physician, had become used to the flow of dead and wounded streaming into the hospital in Khan Yunis.
But on Monday evening, he fainted when he saw the bodies of his two children, his mother and his two brothers arrive at the emergency room.
His family had been killed by a strike that hit their home in Khan Yunis, in the south of the Gaza Strip."

"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 12:38 - Nov 8 with 3358 viewsDarth_Koont

Another day, another 160 children are going to die.

Ceasefire now!

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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 14:05 - Nov 8 with 3271 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 23:00 - Nov 7 by BanksterDebtSlave

"We literally have no control over Israeli defence policy, neither does the US as they are now finding out. "

Maybe we and the US shouldn't sell them weapons then.


Is that all weapons, or should Israel be left to defend itself by purchasing solely from Russia?

Some of the missiles, components, and a significant portion of military aid supplied to Israel from the US is for the Iron Dome. Should Israeli civilians be left unprotected against incoming rockets and mortars?

I find it strange (and disappointing) that whilst the US is at least trying to get Israel to have a humanitarian ceasefire, UK politicians are still reluctant to do the same.
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How many Israeli and Palestinian lives are to be destroyed ? on 16:55 - Nov 8 with 3188 viewsWeWereZombies

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 14:05 - Nov 8 by SuperKieranMcKenna

Is that all weapons, or should Israel be left to defend itself by purchasing solely from Russia?

Some of the missiles, components, and a significant portion of military aid supplied to Israel from the US is for the Iron Dome. Should Israeli civilians be left unprotected against incoming rockets and mortars?

I find it strange (and disappointing) that whilst the US is at least trying to get Israel to have a humanitarian ceasefire, UK politicians are still reluctant to do the same.


Sunak is even turning on the police now, it comes to something when the Met are seen as the honourable and decent face of the establishment and the reasonable force behind policy development given some of their recent travails:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67355227

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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 17:04 - Nov 8 with 3189 viewsGlasgowBlue

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 12:38 - Nov 8 by Darth_Koont

Another day, another 160 children are going to die.

Ceasefire now!


A pause for humanitarian aid and evacuate innocent Palestinian civilians but no ceasefire or negotiations with Hamas.

Why not? This is why not.



Hamas are pure evil and need to be eleminated.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 17:58 - Nov 8 with 3133 viewsNthQldITFC

How many Israeli and Palestinian lives are to be destroyed ? on 16:55 - Nov 8 by WeWereZombies

Sunak is even turning on the police now, it comes to something when the Met are seen as the honourable and decent face of the establishment and the reasonable force behind policy development given some of their recent travails:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67355227

EDIT: Keep forgetting to change this thread title I am unhappy with.
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I just saw that. I wonder if he's considering commissioning a new police force to police the police? He could give them different coloured uniforms and funny hats, perhaps?

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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 17:59 - Nov 8 with 3131 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 17:04 - Nov 8 by GlasgowBlue

A pause for humanitarian aid and evacuate innocent Palestinian civilians but no ceasefire or negotiations with Hamas.

Why not? This is why not.



Hamas are pure evil and need to be eleminated.
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According to that tweet you have shared it's "Palestinians" that are the problem.

"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:02 - Nov 8 with 3120 viewsredrickstuhaart

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 17:59 - Nov 8 by BanksterDebtSlave

According to that tweet you have shared it's "Palestinians" that are the problem.


Telling language.

As is the way in which pro palestinian marches are being labelled "hate" marches. Its about othering and demonising an ethnic group. We are rightly troubled by anti semitism. Perhaps its time more people were troubled by this stuff too.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:08 - Nov 8 with 3104 viewsGlasgowBlue

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 17:59 - Nov 8 by BanksterDebtSlave

According to that tweet you have shared it's "Palestinians" that are the problem.


Where does the tweet I have linked say it's "Palestinians" that are the problem?

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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:14 - Nov 8 with 3091 viewsBuhrer

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 17:59 - Nov 8 by BanksterDebtSlave

According to that tweet you have shared it's "Palestinians" that are the problem.


I understood it to be the words of a child talking about them watching another child raped to death, so didn't focus on that, just felt sick.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:20 - Nov 8 with 3081 viewsGlasgowBlue

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:14 - Nov 8 by Buhrer

I understood it to be the words of a child talking about them watching another child raped to death, so didn't focus on that, just felt sick.


Banksy has just read first hand testimony from a traumatised young girl who witnessed the gang rape of another young girl who is then shot in the head mid rape, had one of her breasts cut off, which the terrorists proceed to play with and then goes on to describe how decapitated heads were carried like trophies. And Banksy's first thought is to take issue with her describing the people who committed these atrocities as "Palestinians"?

This may comes as a great shock to him but the official description of Hamas is a Palestinian Sunni Islamist political and military organization governing the Gaza Strip of the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories.

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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:29 - Nov 8 with 3033 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:20 - Nov 8 by GlasgowBlue

Banksy has just read first hand testimony from a traumatised young girl who witnessed the gang rape of another young girl who is then shot in the head mid rape, had one of her breasts cut off, which the terrorists proceed to play with and then goes on to describe how decapitated heads were carried like trophies. And Banksy's first thought is to take issue with her describing the people who committed these atrocities as "Palestinians"?

This may comes as a great shock to him but the official description of Hamas is a Palestinian Sunni Islamist political and military organization governing the Gaza Strip of the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories.


I actually scanned through it and hadn't appreciated it was a direct quote from the child.
It is somewhat unfortunate though to interchange Hamas and Palestinians as being the same thing so I still believe greater discretion should have been used in the reporting as it serves to dehumanise all Palestinians.

Edit. As I pointed out weeks ago the exact words used in reporting are more important now than ever. The word "they" could easily have been used instead without diminishing the impact.
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"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:36 - Nov 8 with 3015 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:20 - Nov 8 by GlasgowBlue

Banksy has just read first hand testimony from a traumatised young girl who witnessed the gang rape of another young girl who is then shot in the head mid rape, had one of her breasts cut off, which the terrorists proceed to play with and then goes on to describe how decapitated heads were carried like trophies. And Banksy's first thought is to take issue with her describing the people who committed these atrocities as "Palestinians"?

This may comes as a great shock to him but the official description of Hamas is a Palestinian Sunni Islamist political and military organization governing the Gaza Strip of the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories.


"This may comes as a great shock to him but the official description of Hamas is a Palestinian Sunni Islamist political and military organization governing the Gaza Strip of the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories."

So it seems you are happy for the words "Hamas" and "Palestinian" to be interchangeable?

"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:43 - Nov 8 with 2995 viewsRyorry

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:20 - Nov 8 by GlasgowBlue

Banksy has just read first hand testimony from a traumatised young girl who witnessed the gang rape of another young girl who is then shot in the head mid rape, had one of her breasts cut off, which the terrorists proceed to play with and then goes on to describe how decapitated heads were carried like trophies. And Banksy's first thought is to take issue with her describing the people who committed these atrocities as "Palestinians"?

This may comes as a great shock to him but the official description of Hamas is a Palestinian Sunni Islamist political and military organization governing the Gaza Strip of the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories.


I feel sick too now.

Things I guess we ought to know but wish we didn’t. Maybe warnings could be put on verbal descriptions as well as visual.

Incidentally, the David Baddiel documentary ‘Jews Don’t Count’ is listed as being shown tonight on C4.

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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:44 - Nov 8 with 2993 viewseireblue

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:29 - Nov 8 by BanksterDebtSlave

I actually scanned through it and hadn't appreciated it was a direct quote from the child.
It is somewhat unfortunate though to interchange Hamas and Palestinians as being the same thing so I still believe greater discretion should have been used in the reporting as it serves to dehumanise all Palestinians.

Edit. As I pointed out weeks ago the exact words used in reporting are more important now than ever. The word "they" could easily have been used instead without diminishing the impact.
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Maybe consider doing more than just scanning and immediately replying on such subjects.

We can wait for your replies, no need to rush.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:54 - Nov 8 with 2977 viewsDarth_Koont

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 17:04 - Nov 8 by GlasgowBlue

A pause for humanitarian aid and evacuate innocent Palestinian civilians but no ceasefire or negotiations with Hamas.

Why not? This is why not.



Hamas are pure evil and need to be eleminated.
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That’s awful.

It doesn’t justify another 160 children dying tomorrow and the next day and the next.

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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:56 - Nov 8 with 2957 viewsBanksterDebtSlave

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:44 - Nov 8 by eireblue

Maybe consider doing more than just scanning and immediately replying on such subjects.

We can wait for your replies, no need to rush.


The point still holds.

"They break our legs and tell us to be grateful when they offer us crutches."
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:56 - Nov 8 with 2956 viewsGlasgowBlue

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:54 - Nov 8 by Darth_Koont

That’s awful.

It doesn’t justify another 160 children dying tomorrow and the next day and the next.


No it doesn't. That's why I said we need pause for humanitarian aid and evacuate innocent Palestinian civilians.

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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:59 - Nov 8 with 2933 viewsDarth_Koont

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:56 - Nov 8 by GlasgowBlue

No it doesn't. That's why I said we need pause for humanitarian aid and evacuate innocent Palestinian civilians.


Evacuate 2.2 million people? Where? And to what fate?

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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 19:06 - Nov 8 with 2906 viewsBuhrer

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:36 - Nov 8 by BanksterDebtSlave

"This may comes as a great shock to him but the official description of Hamas is a Palestinian Sunni Islamist political and military organization governing the Gaza Strip of the Israeli-occupied Palestinian territories."

So it seems you are happy for the words "Hamas" and "Palestinian" to be interchangeable?


In my opinion the source of this word that has got you so agitated, has the right to call her attackers whatever she wants.
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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 19:08 - Nov 8 with 2887 viewslowhouseblue

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 17:59 - Nov 8 by BanksterDebtSlave

According to that tweet you have shared it's "Palestinians" that are the problem.


jeez.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

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How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 19:15 - Nov 8 with 2853 viewsBuhrer

How many Palestinian lives is sufficient? on 18:02 - Nov 8 by redrickstuhaart

Telling language.

As is the way in which pro palestinian marches are being labelled "hate" marches. Its about othering and demonising an ethnic group. We are rightly troubled by anti semitism. Perhaps its time more people were troubled by this stuff too.


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