| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... 07:25 - Nov 8 with 5751 views | tractorboy1978 |
Using words like 'poor' to describe last night's performance and a couple of other recent performances is daft. We've set such a high standard that I think people have lost a bit of perspective. Win on Saturday and we will go into the next international break with at least the same lead over 3rd as we did the previous break and we will have extended our lead on 6th.
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 07:32 - Nov 8 with 3194 views | Buhrer |
My 15 year old just watched "the worst game ever".
Nuff said. |  | | |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 07:33 - Nov 8 with 3193 views | BseaBlue |
I think that's a bit of a harsh take. Individually, there were some poor performances yesterday and I think that's a fair discussion to have. Regardless, we still did enough to win the game and on another day, we come away with 4 or 5 goals.
There is no such thing as a bad away point in this division, so long as we capitalise when we are at home. |  | | |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 07:36 - Nov 8 with 3177 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
It’s odd, there’s more posts about posters being over critical, than there are posts where people are being over critical! A reverse blub!
I don’t think it’s unfair to highlight areas where we’ve not been at our best without laying into our players. But even Frimley’s not come out with any hot takes (possibly Burns being injured has ruined his material). | | | |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 07:48 - Nov 8 with 3125 views | pennblue |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 07:36 - Nov 8 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
It’s odd, there’s more posts about posters being over critical, than there are posts where people are being over critical! A reverse blub!
I don’t think it’s unfair to highlight areas where we’ve not been at our best without laying into our players. But even Frimley’s not come out with any hot takes (possibly Burns being injured has ruined his material). |
I think the point is it was an ok away performance, we were on top in that 2nd half and we deserved 3 pts
Berating individuals is not helpful, the unity between fans and players is something special we have, so even on an internet forum it is useful if we can be constructive | |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 07:58 - Nov 8 with 3107 views | Herbivore |
It's not just last night either, some posters have been describing us as "poor" since the international break, despite us picking up 8 points from those 4 games and with 3 of those games being away from home. Have we been at the absolute peak of our abilities for 90 minutes in every game? No, but we haven't managed that all season. This is a really tough league and we are mostly the better side in games without being able to dominate like we did in League 1. That's been the case since the international break as well. Last night was frustrating, we did enough to win despite a couple of players being uncharacteristically out of sorts. Chaplin scores a couple on another day, for example. We should also have had at least one penalty, I'd argue two, but refs at this level seem determined not to give big decisions our way. If a run of not being at our very best still yields 2 points per game then we really are being spoilt rotten and could do with checking our privilege. |  |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:21 - Nov 8 with 3040 views | Dubtractor |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 07:58 - Nov 8 by Herbivore |
It's not just last night either, some posters have been describing us as "poor" since the international break, despite us picking up 8 points from those 4 games and with 3 of those games being away from home. Have we been at the absolute peak of our abilities for 90 minutes in every game? No, but we haven't managed that all season. This is a really tough league and we are mostly the better side in games without being able to dominate like we did in League 1. That's been the case since the international break as well. Last night was frustrating, we did enough to win despite a couple of players being uncharacteristically out of sorts. Chaplin scores a couple on another day, for example. We should also have had at least one penalty, I'd argue two, but refs at this level seem determined not to give big decisions our way. If a run of not being at our very best still yields 2 points per game then we really are being spoilt rotten and could do with checking our privilege. |
Appreciate it is only a small part of our support grumbling, but seeing last night described as a terrible result, or Saturday described as must win after our 2 'poor' away results, makes me despair.
It's November FFS. We're massively over performing any of our pre season expectations, and we will have some bad performances and results along the way.
11 games undefeated and people talk about the next game being a must win? Piss off with your entitlement. |  |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:21 - Nov 8 with 3036 views | Swansea_Blue |
Poor seems a fair description to me. We weren’t on it. We huffed and puffed and took control, but lacked penetration. We’ve played much better, hence ‘poor’. It wasn’t awful, terrible, abysmal, etc., but we were certainly below our best.
I don’t see why people can’t call it as they see it. KM was clutching for positives a bit in his interview. He knows we weren’t at our best. |  |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:25 - Nov 8 with 2999 views | FrimleyBlue |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 07:58 - Nov 8 by Herbivore |
It's not just last night either, some posters have been describing us as "poor" since the international break, despite us picking up 8 points from those 4 games and with 3 of those games being away from home. Have we been at the absolute peak of our abilities for 90 minutes in every game? No, but we haven't managed that all season. This is a really tough league and we are mostly the better side in games without being able to dominate like we did in League 1. That's been the case since the international break as well. Last night was frustrating, we did enough to win despite a couple of players being uncharacteristically out of sorts. Chaplin scores a couple on another day, for example. We should also have had at least one penalty, I'd argue two, but refs at this level seem determined not to give big decisions our way. If a run of not being at our very best still yields 2 points per game then we really are being spoilt rotten and could do with checking our privilege. |
No one has said we've been poor as a whole. But have correctly said the performances haven't been as solid. There is nothing wrong with that.
We are back to posters policing the forum like it's illegal to dare be critical of anything town related.
To say Chaplin could have scored 2 on a other day is fine. But he had opportunities to score and didn't. Another day doesn't help when we've drawn the game.
Poor. Terrible. Awful games will come. It's a given. And we're seeing poor individual performances lately. That's a given.
What's also a given is posters being dismayed at football chats not being constantly positive. You for example downvoted my tuenzebe post about the goal, yet even sky at ht had agreed that he should have done better. Funny sport eh. |  |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:30 - Nov 8 with 2969 views | FrimleyBlue |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:21 - Nov 8 by Dubtractor |
Appreciate it is only a small part of our support grumbling, but seeing last night described as a terrible result, or Saturday described as must win after our 2 'poor' away results, makes me despair.
It's November FFS. We're massively over performing any of our pre season expectations, and we will have some bad performances and results along the way.
11 games undefeated and people talk about the next game being a must win? Piss off with your entitlement. |
A win at home helps the away results look better. So there is truth in that no?
No it's not a must win. Far from it. But a win and 5 points out of 3 games becomes a different feel to potentially 3 games 3 or less points. I think it'll be 5. I can see us winning sat. | |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:37 - Nov 8 with 2965 views | Herbivore |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:21 - Nov 8 by Swansea_Blue |
Poor seems a fair description to me. We weren’t on it. We huffed and puffed and took control, but lacked penetration. We’ve played much better, hence ‘poor’. It wasn’t awful, terrible, abysmal, etc., but we were certainly below our best.
I don’t see why people can’t call it as they see it. KM was clutching for positives a bit in his interview. He knows we weren’t at our best. |
If we played genuinely poorly we'd have lost, not been denied a hard fought victory by a stoppage time worldy. I think we've lost sight of what being poor actually looks like because we've been on such a ridiculous run. | |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:45 - Nov 8 with 2919 views | Buhrer |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:37 - Nov 8 by Herbivore |
If we played genuinely poorly we'd have lost, not been denied a hard fought victory by a stoppage time worldy. I think we've lost sight of what being poor actually looks like because we've been on such a ridiculous run. |
Exactly that.
Innit. | | | |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:46 - Nov 8 with 2912 views | Ryorry |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:25 - Nov 8 by FrimleyBlue |
No one has said we've been poor as a whole. But have correctly said the performances haven't been as solid. There is nothing wrong with that.
We are back to posters policing the forum like it's illegal to dare be critical of anything town related.
To say Chaplin could have scored 2 on a other day is fine. But he had opportunities to score and didn't. Another day doesn't help when we've drawn the game.
Poor. Terrible. Awful games will come. It's a given. And we're seeing poor individual performances lately. That's a given.
What's also a given is posters being dismayed at football chats not being constantly positive. You for example downvoted my tuenzebe post about the goal, yet even sky at ht had agreed that he should have done better. Funny sport eh. |
That’s a bit of a back-pedal from your post on another thread where you described our result last night as “terrible”.
I try not to, but you make it very hard not to downvote you sometimes. You’re relentlessly negative. |  |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:47 - Nov 8 with 2898 views | Swansea_Blue |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:37 - Nov 8 by Herbivore |
If we played genuinely poorly we'd have lost, not been denied a hard fought victory by a stoppage time worldy. I think we've lost sight of what being poor actually looks like because we've been on such a ridiculous run. |
Respectfully disagree. You can play well and lose, you can play poorly and win. Performances don’t always get the results they deserve. I thought we were poor by our standards. A hesitancy moving forwards at times, lack of quality in the final third and some lapses of concentration at the back that cost us. For me, that was one of our poorer efforts of the season. Lots of control but lacking a bit of zip.
It happens. I’m not worried about it but know we can do much better. | |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:48 - Nov 8 with 2887 views | pennblue |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:21 - Nov 8 by Swansea_Blue |
Poor seems a fair description to me. We weren’t on it. We huffed and puffed and took control, but lacked penetration. We’ve played much better, hence ‘poor’. It wasn’t awful, terrible, abysmal, etc., but we were certainly below our best.
I don’t see why people can’t call it as they see it. KM was clutching for positives a bit in his interview. He knows we weren’t at our best. |
I don't think it was poor at all.
I think people have forgotten what poor looks like which is odd considering we have had 15-20 years of poor | |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:49 - Nov 8 with 2857 views | pointofblue |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:21 - Nov 8 by Dubtractor |
Appreciate it is only a small part of our support grumbling, but seeing last night described as a terrible result, or Saturday described as must win after our 2 'poor' away results, makes me despair.
It's November FFS. We're massively over performing any of our pre season expectations, and we will have some bad performances and results along the way.
11 games undefeated and people talk about the next game being a must win? Piss off with your entitlement. |
If we’re aiming for automatic promotion then, with Leeds turning on the afterburners now, I think is Saturday is a must win. When you considering what happened to Wednesday last year, it feels like we’re in a similar kind of fight. Wednesday had a greater lead later in the season, and basically one result - away to Burton - scuppered them. The margin for error is zero, though that is only my opinion. Perhaps Leeds could lose to Plymouth at the weekend.
Of course, that paragraph begins with a big ‘if’. We have no right to be going for automatic promotion. We all knew at the start of the season we perhaps lacked squad depth. At best, I think most believed, with a fair wind, we could be around the play offs, the pessimists being happy with survival and consolidation. Yet the start of the season and sone of the performances have been sensational. It would be impossible to play at our peak every game or through the entirety of any match. Lose on Saturday, and the season is more than just alive - it’s bouncing (albeit I fear a thrashing, as I still have PTSD from Liverpool’s 6-0 at Portman Road heading into an international break in 01/02). | |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:56 - Nov 8 with 2823 views | Buhrer |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:49 - Nov 8 by pointofblue |
If we’re aiming for automatic promotion then, with Leeds turning on the afterburners now, I think is Saturday is a must win. When you considering what happened to Wednesday last year, it feels like we’re in a similar kind of fight. Wednesday had a greater lead later in the season, and basically one result - away to Burton - scuppered them. The margin for error is zero, though that is only my opinion. Perhaps Leeds could lose to Plymouth at the weekend.
Of course, that paragraph begins with a big ‘if’. We have no right to be going for automatic promotion. We all knew at the start of the season we perhaps lacked squad depth. At best, I think most believed, with a fair wind, we could be around the play offs, the pessimists being happy with survival and consolidation. Yet the start of the season and sone of the performances have been sensational. It would be impossible to play at our peak every game or through the entirety of any match. Lose on Saturday, and the season is more than just alive - it’s bouncing (albeit I fear a thrashing, as I still have PTSD from Liverpool’s 6-0 at Portman Road heading into an international break in 01/02). |
With my head, if something "feels" a certain way, rather than being able to state it as a matter of fact, it's just not going to be entirely true, and so any further arguments built on it, such as any one game with 30 to play as a must win, seem ludicrous and can only be proven by some FA AI. With my heart I'm there with you on the psychology of must winning Saturday just not the maffs, where I think there's a lot of time to play yet. | | | |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:10 - Nov 8 with 2780 views | Herbivore |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:47 - Nov 8 by Swansea_Blue |
Respectfully disagree. You can play well and lose, you can play poorly and win. Performances don’t always get the results they deserve. I thought we were poor by our standards. A hesitancy moving forwards at times, lack of quality in the final third and some lapses of concentration at the back that cost us. For me, that was one of our poorer efforts of the season. Lots of control but lacking a bit of zip.
It happens. I’m not worried about it but know we can do much better. |
You've added an important qualifier there which is poor "by our standards". Our standards have been so ridiculously high though that that's skewed people's perception. I don't think describing us as poor in any of our recent games is fair. Not at our best for sure but not poor. Think it's part of a wider tendency for people to polarise, if it's not good it must be poor when in fact there's various shades of average and meh between being good and being genuinely poor. | |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:10 - Nov 8 with 2776 views | positivity |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:49 - Nov 8 by pointofblue |
If we’re aiming for automatic promotion then, with Leeds turning on the afterburners now, I think is Saturday is a must win. When you considering what happened to Wednesday last year, it feels like we’re in a similar kind of fight. Wednesday had a greater lead later in the season, and basically one result - away to Burton - scuppered them. The margin for error is zero, though that is only my opinion. Perhaps Leeds could lose to Plymouth at the weekend.
Of course, that paragraph begins with a big ‘if’. We have no right to be going for automatic promotion. We all knew at the start of the season we perhaps lacked squad depth. At best, I think most believed, with a fair wind, we could be around the play offs, the pessimists being happy with survival and consolidation. Yet the start of the season and sone of the performances have been sensational. It would be impossible to play at our peak every game or through the entirety of any match. Lose on Saturday, and the season is more than just alive - it’s bouncing (albeit I fear a thrashing, as I still have PTSD from Liverpool’s 6-0 at Portman Road heading into an international break in 01/02). |
some perspective from our rivals (and we're really overachieving just to see them as rivals!),
leicester just beat rotherham with a late goal
southampton drew with rotherham (at home!)
it's not the end of the world, 8 points from 4 is still top 2 form... | |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:22 - Nov 8 with 2725 views | FrimleyBlue |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:46 - Nov 8 by Ryorry |
That’s a bit of a back-pedal from your post on another thread where you described our result last night as “terrible”.
I try not to, but you make it very hard not to downvote you sometimes. You’re relentlessly negative. |
I still think it is terrible as a stand alone result. And explained why.
It's not relentless negativity no. You just choose to ignore the ones where I'm positive. That's fine if that's what you wish to do. But I've shared thoughts on both sides of the fence with things. | |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:27 - Nov 8 with 2717 views | BseaBlue |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:10 - Nov 8 by Herbivore |
You've added an important qualifier there which is poor "by our standards". Our standards have been so ridiculously high though that that's skewed people's perception. I don't think describing us as poor in any of our recent games is fair. Not at our best for sure but not poor. Think it's part of a wider tendency for people to polarise, if it's not good it must be poor when in fact there's various shades of average and meh between being good and being genuinely poor. |
For me, you can have poor individual performances but that doesn't mean the overall performance is the same. Chaplin, Jackson and Hirst were well off it last night in my opinon, but we still had 71 percent possession, scored 2 goals and should have had 2 penalties.
You can't class the overall performance as poor when we were well in control and should have won, despite some players not having a good game. | | | |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:27 - Nov 8 with 2716 views | Herbivore |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:49 - Nov 8 by pointofblue |
If we’re aiming for automatic promotion then, with Leeds turning on the afterburners now, I think is Saturday is a must win. When you considering what happened to Wednesday last year, it feels like we’re in a similar kind of fight. Wednesday had a greater lead later in the season, and basically one result - away to Burton - scuppered them. The margin for error is zero, though that is only my opinion. Perhaps Leeds could lose to Plymouth at the weekend.
Of course, that paragraph begins with a big ‘if’. We have no right to be going for automatic promotion. We all knew at the start of the season we perhaps lacked squad depth. At best, I think most believed, with a fair wind, we could be around the play offs, the pessimists being happy with survival and consolidation. Yet the start of the season and sone of the performances have been sensational. It would be impossible to play at our peak every game or through the entirety of any match. Lose on Saturday, and the season is more than just alive - it’s bouncing (albeit I fear a thrashing, as I still have PTSD from Liverpool’s 6-0 at Portman Road heading into an international break in 01/02). |
Jesus wept, why are we heaping pressure on our 16th game of the season by describing it as "must win" when regardless of the result we will end the day 2nd in the table with a healthy gap to the teams below us? Some of our fans have lost their heads to be honest. | |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:30 - Nov 8 with 2692 views | Buhrer |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:22 - Nov 8 by FrimleyBlue |
I still think it is terrible as a stand alone result. And explained why.
It's not relentless negativity no. You just choose to ignore the ones where I'm positive. That's fine if that's what you wish to do. But I've shared thoughts on both sides of the fence with things. |
I think it's the way you tell em. You seem to often start a post by being positive BUT then will segue into a more negative slant on it.
A recent example is:
Obv always happy not to lose 17:02 - Nov 4 with 3627 views FrimleyBlue
But that is 3 sub par performances.
Now..... on one hand. We know you do it all, all season
The other part is for us to stay top 2.. we kinda need to.
Let's just win on Tues and today's a cracking draw. | | | |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:33 - Nov 8 with 2670 views | NthQldITFC |
There are one or two Town fans who are triggered like screaming toddlers who just need a dummy, there are one or two blindingly obvious Norwich fans trying to stir sh!t, and there are one or two suspiciously avian types as well.
They all make much more noise after a non-win, and the biggest problem is perhaps that we're not used to it. A lot of it is just social media learned behaviour. |  |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:33 - Nov 8 with 2670 views | Blueschev |
I got a little frustrated at times last night, but then thought back to our performance at the Valley around 2 years ago and suddenly felt a lot better.
We weren't at our best last night, but I thought Rotherham defended very well, and if one of the two stonewall penalties had been given we all leave happy. |  | | |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:33 - Nov 8 with 2670 views | Whos_blue |
I posted this on a different thread last night but it got a bit lost.
I think it sits better here.
When you're winning going into injury time, a draw always feels like a disappointing result.
My thoughts have always been that an away point is always a good point. (The freak Charlton result being the obvious exception).
I do find it difficult when we unleash "poor" so early.
I think it's ok to be "not as good" as some other performances, but it's a large, and I think unfair, leap straight to poor.
Let's be clear. The 2-0 home loss to Portsmouth during the lockdown games was poor.
Tonight wasn't. We just wasn't as good as other games and perhaps we need to credit Rotherham a little.
Leaping to poor after an away draw doesn't leave much wriggle room does it?
What's next? Dire? Abject? Atrocious?
We wouldn't use them after tonight, but there is little difference in intent between poor and dire. And dire we certainly were not.
I can't imagine many of us looking KM in the eye and telling him we were poor tonight.
This may be a little long winded, but when you see poor referenced maybe as many as ten times in this thread, it all just feels a little bit of an over reaction and perhaps not an accurate reflection of the overall performance/result. |  |
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