| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... 07:25 - Nov 8 with 5766 views | tractorboy1978 |
Using words like 'poor' to describe last night's performance and a couple of other recent performances is daft. We've set such a high standard that I think people have lost a bit of perspective. Win on Saturday and we will go into the next international break with at least the same lead over 3rd as we did the previous break and we will have extended our lead on 6th.
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:39 - Nov 8 with 2488 views | tractorboy1978 |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:49 - Nov 8 by pointofblue |
If we’re aiming for automatic promotion then, with Leeds turning on the afterburners now, I think is Saturday is a must win. When you considering what happened to Wednesday last year, it feels like we’re in a similar kind of fight. Wednesday had a greater lead later in the season, and basically one result - away to Burton - scuppered them. The margin for error is zero, though that is only my opinion. Perhaps Leeds could lose to Plymouth at the weekend.
Of course, that paragraph begins with a big ‘if’. We have no right to be going for automatic promotion. We all knew at the start of the season we perhaps lacked squad depth. At best, I think most believed, with a fair wind, we could be around the play offs, the pessimists being happy with survival and consolidation. Yet the start of the season and sone of the performances have been sensational. It would be impossible to play at our peak every game or through the entirety of any match. Lose on Saturday, and the season is more than just alive - it’s bouncing (albeit I fear a thrashing, as I still have PTSD from Liverpool’s 6-0 at Portman Road heading into an international break in 01/02). |
The margin for error really isn't zero. Leeds/Southampton aren't going to win every game between now and the end of the season! They will obviously drop points, and in games you don't expect them to as well. As will we, but we have an 8/9 point cushion on them. Leicester will also drop points, they go to Boro on Saturday and we could go level with them. I find it mad people were already waving them away into the sunset this time last week. | | | |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:41 - Nov 8 with 2481 views | Herbivore |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:39 - Nov 8 by tractorboy1978 |
The margin for error really isn't zero. Leeds/Southampton aren't going to win every game between now and the end of the season! They will obviously drop points, and in games you don't expect them to as well. As will we, but we have an 8/9 point cushion on them. Leicester will also drop points, they go to Boro on Saturday and we could go level with them. I find it mad people were already waving them away into the sunset this time last week. |
I mentioned this the other day, Leeds are only a couple of games out from losing to a pretty mediocre Stoke side. They only just got over the line against a Norwich side who are in free fall. There's a tendency to cherry pick performances and results to fit the poster's chosen narrative. |  |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:41 - Nov 8 with 2479 views | itfcjoe |
Great post, and very true |  |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:45 - Nov 8 with 2459 views | itfcjoe |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:10 - Nov 8 by Herbivore |
You've added an important qualifier there which is poor "by our standards". Our standards have been so ridiculously high though that that's skewed people's perception. I don't think describing us as poor in any of our recent games is fair. Not at our best for sure but not poor. Think it's part of a wider tendency for people to polarise, if it's not good it must be poor when in fact there's various shades of average and meh between being good and being genuinely poor. |
It does feel like a 6/10 performance is being described as a 2/10 | |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:47 - Nov 8 with 2458 views | Herbivore |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:45 - Nov 8 by itfcjoe |
It does feel like a 6/10 performance is being described as a 2/10 |
Indeed. Not many teams will go to Rotherham and dominate quite to the extent we did and but for some poor refereeing and a worldy from nowhere, we'd have picked up a tough but deserved three points. You'd think we'd just been played off the park the way some are talking about the game. | |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:51 - Nov 8 with 2441 views | BlueOura |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:22 - Nov 8 by FrimleyBlue |
I still think it is terrible as a stand alone result. And explained why.
It's not relentless negativity no. You just choose to ignore the ones where I'm positive. That's fine if that's what you wish to do. But I've shared thoughts on both sides of the fence with things. |
Its not a terrible result though, losing 3-0 would have been a terrible result. Rotherham away is a difficult fixture for pretty much everybody, I would have loved a win but i'm not unhappy with a point. Please try and get some perspective and realism. [Post edited 8 Nov 2023 9:56]
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:54 - Nov 8 with 2430 views | Herbivore |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:51 - Nov 8 by BlueOura |
Its not a terrible result though, losing 3-0 would have been a terrible result. Rotherham away is a difficult fixture for pretty much everybody, I would have loved a win but i'm not unhappy with a point. Please try and get some perspective and realism. [Post edited 8 Nov 2023 9:56]
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Some interesting context: Rotherham have lost fewer home games than Sunderland this season. | |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 12:10 - Nov 8 with 2369 views | Ryorry |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:33 - Nov 8 by Blueschev |
I got a little frustrated at times last night, but then thought back to our performance at the Valley around 2 years ago and suddenly felt a lot better.
We weren't at our best last night, but I thought Rotherham defended very well, and if one of the two stonewall penalties had been given we all leave happy. |
And if there'd been no local flood risk & the game had gone ahead on the date originally scheduled, I think that in the atrocious conditions & on a heavy pitch we might easily have come away without even a point (remembering Oxford - ^shudder^). |  |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 12:15 - Nov 8 with 2359 views | Ryorry |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:54 - Nov 8 by Herbivore |
Some interesting context: Rotherham have lost fewer home games than Sunderland this season. |
Yep, I pointed out on another thread that they've only lost 2 at home so far, and along with Hull & Coventry had the most number of home draws even before last night. | |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 12:18 - Nov 8 with 2353 views | wkj |
Im not sure if I would call it an out and out poor game, but it is without a doubt one of the most flat games we've had for some time. All sizzle and no sausage in the end. |  |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 12:42 - Nov 8 with 2333 views | lizzibee |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 07:32 - Nov 8 by Buhrer |
My 15 year old just watched "the worst game ever".
Nuff said. |
Obviously didn't watch Huddersfield or Fulham this year let alone many from last year such as Lincoln, Cheltenham, Bristol Rovers to name a couple - and the years before.
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 13:17 - Nov 8 with 2316 views | N2_Blue |
People also forget we lost the last 4 games at Rotherham 1-0. We were a few mins away from winning.
It's never an easy game there no matter how poor a team people think they are.
Because we battered them in the cup last season people expected us to do the same last night.It doesn't work like that.
Also Birmingham was a decent point and away performance after dodgy first half. We've got a terrible record there too so i saw that as a point gained, especially with two late goals.. Although winning one and losing one would have been better points wise, to remain unbeaten in two tricky away games is impressive and shows our resilience. |  |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 15:14 - Nov 8 with 2285 views | Whos_blue |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 12:18 - Nov 8 by wkj |
Im not sure if I would call it an out and out poor game, but it is without a doubt one of the most flat games we've had for some time. All sizzle and no sausage in the end. |
Wkj - The Len Goodman of TWTD!
Pickle me walnuts!
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 15:27 - Nov 8 with 2277 views | wkj |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 15:14 - Nov 8 by Whos_blue |
Wkj - The Len Goodman of TWTD!
Pickle me walnuts!
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Floating across the forum like butter on a crumpet | |
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| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 15:37 - Nov 8 with 2265 views | Buhrer |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 12:42 - Nov 8 by lizzibee |
Obviously didn't watch Huddersfield or Fulham this year let alone many from last year such as Lincoln, Cheltenham, Bristol Rovers to name a couple - and the years before.
Seriously! |
Obviously didnt read that as intended as i thought I was "obviously" making the point that only inexperienced kids like my lad could possibly think that was genuinely poor, as exampled by his ridiculous phrase "worst game ever". Seriously? |  | | |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 20:45 - Nov 8 with 2198 views | bluebudgie |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 08:47 - Nov 8 by Swansea_Blue |
Respectfully disagree. You can play well and lose, you can play poorly and win. Performances don’t always get the results they deserve. I thought we were poor by our standards. A hesitancy moving forwards at times, lack of quality in the final third and some lapses of concentration at the back that cost us. For me, that was one of our poorer efforts of the season. Lots of control but lacking a bit of zip.
It happens. I’m not worried about it but know we can do much better. |
This Sums it up perfectly |  | | |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 23:26 - Nov 8 with 2137 views | lizzibee |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 15:37 - Nov 8 by Buhrer |
Obviously didnt read that as intended as i thought I was "obviously" making the point that only inexperienced kids like my lad could possibly think that was genuinely poor, as exampled by his ridiculous phrase "worst game ever". Seriously? |
Maybe needs to be written differently then as my response is completely how I read it | | | |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 01:49 - Nov 9 with 2115 views | BigCommon |
Been some pretty negative opinions after last nights draw... Think the manner of the result was a bit deflating. Had we gotten a 93rd minute equaliser, it may have felt different, although, still not perfect..
Way I see this little period since the last international break. We've averaged 2ppg with 75% of those games away from home. We've had injury and illness to deal with not to mention some indifferent officiating . That's a bloody good showing and deserves some credit ..
I'm not in the camp of "Saturday is a must win game". However, I do think it's important to get that winning feeling back, just to keep momentum and confidence up. So its quite an important one to get 3pts in, imo.
One thing I'll say. I thought the last break came at the wrong time for us, as we seemed to have lost a bit of rhythm. No doubt the extra week off from league duty didn't help with the rearranged game..
But this time round. It feels like the break has come at a good time for us, as long as we sign off with a win.. One or two will benefit from the break, imo. And those that have been affected by illness (im quite sure there are a few more than we realise), will have a chance to shrug that off and come back flying, after the break.. One last big effort on Saturday, lads. And that's another chunk of the season ticked off.. |  | | |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 06:43 - Nov 9 with 2092 views | franz_tyson |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 09:45 - Nov 8 by itfcjoe |
It does feel like a 6/10 performance is being described as a 2/10 |
It does feel like there's a bunch waiting like coiled springs to jump on a 6 /10 comment and make out its a 11/10 bed-wetting comment.
For every over-the-top bedwetting comment ... there's 10 jumping on this and promoting themselves as the voice of reason and the calm, sage uncle we never asked for.
Christ... if we're worried about the use of 'poor' in language... we have a problem. | | | |
| People need to really consider the language they are using on here... on 06:56 - Nov 9 with 2083 views | itfcserbia |
Rotherham and ref made it a complete League 1 flashback. If we were just 5-10% sharper it could've been 3 or 4 goals difference, even without stonewall penalties. |  |
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