| Ignoring the result. 14:47 - Dec 23 with 3113 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
How do we stop conceding early in games?
Teams seem to have figured out that if they press high and in numbers from the kick off they can often get something out of us. We obviously aren’t going to change our style, so as good as they have been defensively maybe Wolfenden and Burgess just aren’t good enough technically to play around that level of intense pressing.
Most teams can’t maintain it, so we get back into the game, but with the effectively Premier League squads, like Leeds as we’ve seen today, can maintain that press and we can’t get back at them.
Perhaps we’ll be on the lookout for very technically gifted CBs in the short to medium term that can play around a high press more easily. [Post edited 23 Dec 2023 14:47]
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| Ignoring the result. on 15:21 - Dec 23 with 948 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Ignoring the result. on 15:14 - Dec 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
How many teams have actually 'figured us out'? We've lost 3 games all season. |
Please Dollers, read the post.
I haven’t said anyone has “figured us out”
I’m going to go and come back later. | |
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| Ignoring the result. on 15:22 - Dec 23 with 946 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Ignoring the result. on 15:15 - Dec 23 by Herbivore |
Although I'm not sure any of the early goals have been directly attributable to Woolf so it's odd he gets singled out so often. |
HES NOT BEEN FCUKING SINGLED OUT!!! | |
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| Ignoring the result. on 15:23 - Dec 23 with 936 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Ignoring the result. on 15:19 - Dec 23 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Go back and read the thread and then come back and tell me when I said anything about today’s goal?
Genuine post, asking a genuine question. Jesus Christ. Fk this, I’ll come back when everyone has calmed down I reckon. |
You've started a thread directly after today's game, where we conceded an early goal, and asked "How do we stop conceding early in games?" |  |
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| Ignoring the result. on 15:25 - Dec 23 with 924 views | Herbivore |
| Ignoring the result. on 15:15 - Dec 23 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Well my description of the issue comes from Opta. We are the team that concedes most often in the first 15 minutes. I’m not making this up. |
Where have I said you're making it up? That's a needlessly defensive response to a quite reasonable post. |  |
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| Ignoring the result. on 15:26 - Dec 23 with 916 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Ignoring the result. on 15:21 - Dec 23 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Please Dollers, read the post.
I haven’t said anyone has “figured us out”
I’m going to go and come back later. |
"Teams seem to have figured out that if they press high and in numbers from the kick off they can often get something out of us."
Only semantics are stopping that from being “figured us out”.
“Figured us out” is literally just a shorter version of what you've posted! | |
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| Ignoring the result. on 15:26 - Dec 23 with 914 views | Herbivore |
| Ignoring the result. on 15:13 - Dec 23 by pointofblue |
As tough as it is to say, we're punching massively above our weight. This leaves a conundrum for January - go all in to buy players who are better than what we've got or trust the process, watch the finances, and work to a tighter budget.
If we were sitting about 12th right now, we'd be content with how the season had gone. A 4-0 reverse at Leeds would probably hurt less than it is right now. We'd be on track to make incremental changes to the squad without risking harmony. Now, it's a case of go for broke or keep to the same path. Either way carries risks. |
We're punching above our weight in terms of resources but we are where we are on merit. We've been excellent this season. | |
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| Ignoring the result. on 15:27 - Dec 23 with 912 views | pointofblue |
| Ignoring the result. on 15:26 - Dec 23 by Herbivore |
We're punching above our weight in terms of resources but we are where we are on merit. We've been excellent this season. |
Agreed, that's what I meant - punching above our weight in terms of resources. |  |
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| Ignoring the result. on 15:27 - Dec 23 with 910 views | Herbivore |
| Ignoring the result. on 15:22 - Dec 23 by Cheltenham_Blue |
HES NOT BEEN FCUKING SINGLED OUT!!! |
You're now losing your sh!t at posts that aren't even directed at you. Think perhaps you're the one who needs to step away and calm down for a bit. | |
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| Ignoring the result. on 15:32 - Dec 23 with 891 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
| Ignoring the result. on 15:25 - Dec 23 by Herbivore |
Where have I said you're making it up? That's a needlessly defensive response to a quite reasonable post. |
Every response I’ve had, by and large to my OP has been what I would describe as needlessly defensive. Including from you Herbs.
Now I’ve got the usual suspects piling in on my deliberately misinterpreting my OP just over a week after my MH issues were discussed here.
I think this thread is exactly what Phil was referring to earlier this week.
We’ve lost, I get it. I was only asking opinions as to how we can stop conceding in the first 15.
I wasn’t really to be told I was wrong in some way, or made to feel stupid. | |
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| Ignoring the result. on 15:36 - Dec 23 with 882 views | Herbivore |
| Ignoring the result. on 15:32 - Dec 23 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Every response I’ve had, by and large to my OP has been what I would describe as needlessly defensive. Including from you Herbs.
Now I’ve got the usual suspects piling in on my deliberately misinterpreting my OP just over a week after my MH issues were discussed here.
I think this thread is exactly what Phil was referring to earlier this week.
We’ve lost, I get it. I was only asking opinions as to how we can stop conceding in the first 15.
I wasn’t really to be told I was wrong in some way, or made to feel stupid. |
I missed the thread about your mental health, sorry to hear you are struggling. However, as far as I can see you've posted a thread and people are having a discussion about it. Some of those people don't agree with your analysis but nobody is attacking you. | |
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| Ignoring the result. on 15:40 - Dec 23 with 872 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Ignoring the result. on 15:15 - Dec 23 by Herbivore |
Although I'm not sure any of the early goals have been directly attributable to Woolf so it's odd he gets singled out so often. |
I didn't say they were. I said that I have been critical of Woolfenden not always being switched on but Axel was guilty of that for their first goal. |  |
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| Ignoring the result. on 15:41 - Dec 23 with 860 views | Herbivore |
| Ignoring the result. on 15:40 - Dec 23 by GlasgowBlue |
I didn't say they were. I said that I have been critical of Woolfenden not always being switched on but Axel was guilty of that for their first goal. |
Axel was guilty of quite a lot today to be fair. Hopefully he'll learn from it and be better for another 90 minutes under his belt. | |
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| Ignoring the result. on 15:41 - Dec 23 with 857 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Ignoring the result. on 15:19 - Dec 23 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Go back and read the thread and then come back and tell me when I said anything about today’s goal?
Genuine post, asking a genuine question. Jesus Christ. Fk this, I’ll come back when everyone has calmed down I reckon. |
I was replying to ibbleobble who said "Simple. Don’t play it out from the back for the first 15mins. Job done". | |
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| Ignoring the result. on 15:54 - Dec 23 with 832 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Ignoring the result. on 15:32 - Dec 23 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Every response I’ve had, by and large to my OP has been what I would describe as needlessly defensive. Including from you Herbs.
Now I’ve got the usual suspects piling in on my deliberately misinterpreting my OP just over a week after my MH issues were discussed here.
I think this thread is exactly what Phil was referring to earlier this week.
We’ve lost, I get it. I was only asking opinions as to how we can stop conceding in the first 15.
I wasn’t really to be told I was wrong in some way, or made to feel stupid. |
Thr question you asked in your original post is certainly one that needs answering.
Clearly none of the current contributors know the answer. |  |
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| Ignoring the result. on 15:58 - Dec 23 with 821 views | ibbleobble |
| Ignoring the result. on 15:13 - Dec 23 by GlasgowBlue |
The goal had nothing to do with playing out from the back. Chaplin was fouled in their half, we had men committed to the attack and got caught on the counter. From the resulting corner we were not switched on enough to react to Hladky's save. |
I’m not necessarily referring to just today. There’s no harm in tweaking our approach in certain games. Not committing too many forward and keeping it tight for the opening period to frustrate the crowd would have bee wise today. | | | |
| Ignoring the result. on 16:03 - Dec 23 with 810 views | ibbleobble |
| Ignoring the result. on 15:32 - Dec 23 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Every response I’ve had, by and large to my OP has been what I would describe as needlessly defensive. Including from you Herbs.
Now I’ve got the usual suspects piling in on my deliberately misinterpreting my OP just over a week after my MH issues were discussed here.
I think this thread is exactly what Phil was referring to earlier this week.
We’ve lost, I get it. I was only asking opinions as to how we can stop conceding in the first 15.
I wasn’t really to be told I was wrong in some way, or made to feel stupid. |
Put Herbs on ignore mate. He continually turns discussion sour and into a game of oneupmanship. Some weird superiority / inferiority complex going on there. Best thing I did on here was muting a few of the egos. | | | |
| Ignoring the result. on 16:04 - Dec 23 with 804 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Ignoring the result. on 16:03 - Dec 23 by ibbleobble |
Put Herbs on ignore mate. He continually turns discussion sour and into a game of oneupmanship. Some weird superiority / inferiority complex going on there. Best thing I did on here was muting a few of the egos. |
Herbs hasn't said anything out of order in this thread. | |
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| Ignoring the result. on 16:05 - Dec 23 with 802 views | pointofblue |
| Ignoring the result. on 15:58 - Dec 23 by ibbleobble |
I’m not necessarily referring to just today. There’s no harm in tweaking our approach in certain games. Not committing too many forward and keeping it tight for the opening period to frustrate the crowd would have bee wise today. |
That is fair, but different from not playing it out from the back for the first 15 minutes. Indeed, if we tried going long I think the ball would keep coming back at us. | |
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| Ignoring the result. on 16:07 - Dec 23 with 798 views | Herbivore |
| Ignoring the result. on 16:03 - Dec 23 by ibbleobble |
Put Herbs on ignore mate. He continually turns discussion sour and into a game of oneupmanship. Some weird superiority / inferiority complex going on there. Best thing I did on here was muting a few of the egos. |
Says the man who is always so keen(ish) to have a pop at others. You can't even seet very reasonable posts on this thread which speaks volumes for the fragility of your ego. You were much more entertaining when you were losing your head over Cook getting sacked and accusing Mullet and Badger of destroying the club. | |
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| Ignoring the result. on 16:07 - Dec 23 with 796 views | USA |
| Ignoring the result. on 14:50 - Dec 23 by Herbivore |
Woolf didn't play today or when we conceded early against Rotherham. It's the first early goal we've conceded since the West Brom game as well so not sure that it's a problem that is endemic. Poor set piece defending both today and against West Brom so that's something to work on for sure. |
It is an issue. We have conceded the most goals in the first 15 minutes out of everyone in the league. | |
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| Ignoring the result. on 16:07 - Dec 23 with 795 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Ignoring the result. on 15:58 - Dec 23 by ibbleobble |
I’m not necessarily referring to just today. There’s no harm in tweaking our approach in certain games. Not committing too many forward and keeping it tight for the opening period to frustrate the crowd would have bee wise today. |
We have conceded one goal from playing out from the back in two seasons. I don't think that is an issue. | |
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| Ignoring the result. on 16:15 - Dec 23 with 780 views | Stewart27 |
| Ignoring the result. on 15:14 - Dec 23 by The_Flashing_Smile |
How many teams have actually 'figured us out'? We've lost 3 games all season. |
And to only 2 different teams.
Twice we’ve been found out. West Brom and Leeds today. | | | |
| Ignoring the result. on 16:33 - Dec 23 with 746 views | Herbivore |
| Ignoring the result. on 16:07 - Dec 23 by USA |
It is an issue. We have conceded the most goals in the first 15 minutes out of everyone in the league. |
Part of that is down to conceding in the first 15 minutes in 5 consecutive games a while back, a run we halted until today. A few of them have been set piece goals so that's an area to work on but others have been all kinds of different goal so it's hard to pinpoint a single cause. | |
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| Ignoring the result. on 16:39 - Dec 23 with 719 views | Mullet |
Problem is, there isn't a pattern to why we concede early.
Today the ref missed an obvious foul. Leeds get a corner. Win the first header, Hladky made a great save and it goes right to their bloke charging it over the line. It's one of those goals that has so many moving parts you can't isolate it and put it in a wider pattern.
Same as the goal the other week where you might criticise why we don't put a bloke on the posts, but we never have so it sort of ends up making a narrative fit more than a tactical issue etc. |  |
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| Ignoring the result. on 16:42 - Dec 23 with 705 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
| Ignoring the result. on 16:39 - Dec 23 by Mullet |
Problem is, there isn't a pattern to why we concede early.
Today the ref missed an obvious foul. Leeds get a corner. Win the first header, Hladky made a great save and it goes right to their bloke charging it over the line. It's one of those goals that has so many moving parts you can't isolate it and put it in a wider pattern.
Same as the goal the other week where you might criticise why we don't put a bloke on the posts, but we never have so it sort of ends up making a narrative fit more than a tactical issue etc. |
Defending from the corner was extremely poor. |  | | |
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