| More links on 14:12 - Jan 12 with 2093 views | ghostofescobar |
Looking back at a Blackburn fans forum discussion about him back in December, they feel he has to go in Jan to get any money as he will likely be out of contract in the summer so will go for nish then (Blackburn unlikely to take the option of another year as he is their top earner). Couple of comments from their fans - "Really bad signing that one from Mowbray. Paid way too much for him and he's never fit for long." and "He’s scored 34 times in 167 appearances in four years. He’s always injured and hasn’t hit double figures in goals since signing permanently in 19/20. Who’s realistically going to pay a fee for him?" and "He's a squad player being paid like a star player." Not exactly glowing. Can't see we'd want a half fit player, unless he is seen very much as back up to whoever our No. 1 target may be?? |  |
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| More links on 14:15 - Jan 12 with 2035 views | soupytwist |
| More links on 13:47 - Jan 12 by portmanking |
There's a dose of the Ahadme's about Rajovic.
He's about as far from Hirst stylistically as we need. He's a six-yard fox in the box, nothing more, nothing less. Technically woeful, wouldn't bring our 10s into play well whatsoever.
Praying neither deals are true really, but the fact we're linked suggests we're certainly well down our priority list. *Sigh* |
As I recall it he did both in Watford's last game against, albeit, Chesterfield. Scored their first and then brought into play someone who I assume was playing in a roughly 10 position in the lead up to their second goal. |  | | |
| More links on 14:20 - Jan 12 with 1987 views | portmanking |
| More links on 14:15 - Jan 12 by soupytwist |
As I recall it he did both in Watford's last game against, albeit, Chesterfield. Scored their first and then brought into play someone who I assume was playing in a roughly 10 position in the lead up to their second goal. |
Look at his underlying data - and the views of Watford fans - and you'll see he's incapable of doing what Hirst does for us. |  | | |
| More links on 14:34 - Jan 12 with 1914 views | GavTWTD |
| More links on 14:12 - Jan 12 by ghostofescobar |
Looking back at a Blackburn fans forum discussion about him back in December, they feel he has to go in Jan to get any money as he will likely be out of contract in the summer so will go for nish then (Blackburn unlikely to take the option of another year as he is their top earner). Couple of comments from their fans - "Really bad signing that one from Mowbray. Paid way too much for him and he's never fit for long." and "He’s scored 34 times in 167 appearances in four years. He’s always injured and hasn’t hit double figures in goals since signing permanently in 19/20. Who’s realistically going to pay a fee for him?" and "He's a squad player being paid like a star player." Not exactly glowing. Can't see we'd want a half fit player, unless he is seen very much as back up to whoever our No. 1 target may be?? |
I've read those comments too on their forum and thought our offer odd if he only has 6 months left, but it seems there's an additional year option.
https://www.rovers.co.uk/news/2022/january/01/sam-extends-ewood-stay-/ |  |
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| More links on 14:35 - Jan 12 with 1890 views | Vegtablue |
| More links on 14:12 - Jan 12 by ghostofescobar |
Looking back at a Blackburn fans forum discussion about him back in December, they feel he has to go in Jan to get any money as he will likely be out of contract in the summer so will go for nish then (Blackburn unlikely to take the option of another year as he is their top earner). Couple of comments from their fans - "Really bad signing that one from Mowbray. Paid way too much for him and he's never fit for long." and "He’s scored 34 times in 167 appearances in four years. He’s always injured and hasn’t hit double figures in goals since signing permanently in 19/20. Who’s realistically going to pay a fee for him?" and "He's a squad player being paid like a star player." Not exactly glowing. Can't see we'd want a half fit player, unless he is seen very much as back up to whoever our No. 1 target may be?? |
Gallagher's scouting report is much closer to Hirst's. Defensive numbers and aerial duel success pop out, as does his shooting over the past 365 days in fairness. Probably not what you'd call a gifted player, if the passing and dribbling stats don't deceive, but Blackburn fans will know much more about that.
https://fbref.com/en/players/44361ade/scout/365_m2/Sam-Gallagher-Scouting-Report
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| More links on 14:44 - Jan 12 with 1818 views | itfcsuth |
Gallagher seems like the most likely link I've seen this window.
Like him, good player. |  | | |
| More links on 14:51 - Jan 12 with 1760 views | Parky |
I hope there’s nothing in either of them links, been needing a striker since Summer, surely an injured Gallagher isn’t all we’ve come up with. [Post edited 12 Jan 2024 14:57]
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| More links on 15:05 - Jan 12 with 1669 views | _clive_baker_ |
| More links on 14:20 - Jan 12 by portmanking |
Look at his underlying data - and the views of Watford fans - and you'll see he's incapable of doing what Hirst does for us. |
I think people need to get over this obsession with unearthing an obvious Hirst 2.0. There's fundamental aspects to his game that suit our system and facilitate the way we play, partly because he has the capability but also because he's being directed to operate in a certain way. That's true of a lot of players. They might not be being asked to play in a likeminded system or role currently, but it doesn't mean they're incapable of it. I would imagine our recruitment is as much based on the underlying capabilities - physicality, pace, technical, culture fit etc. as it is what they're doing right now.
The Blackburn fans slating Gallagher are the same ones telling us Hirst was a flop when he signed. [Post edited 12 Jan 2024 15:12]
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| More links on 15:09 - Jan 12 with 1625 views | jayessess |
| More links on 14:12 - Jan 12 by ghostofescobar |
Looking back at a Blackburn fans forum discussion about him back in December, they feel he has to go in Jan to get any money as he will likely be out of contract in the summer so will go for nish then (Blackburn unlikely to take the option of another year as he is their top earner). Couple of comments from their fans - "Really bad signing that one from Mowbray. Paid way too much for him and he's never fit for long." and "He’s scored 34 times in 167 appearances in four years. He’s always injured and hasn’t hit double figures in goals since signing permanently in 19/20. Who’s realistically going to pay a fee for him?" and "He's a squad player being paid like a star player." Not exactly glowing. Can't see we'd want a half fit player, unless he is seen very much as back up to whoever our No. 1 target may be?? |
Blackburn fans did also think Hirst was rubbish though, so they may not have the best eye. |  |
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| More links on 15:10 - Jan 12 with 1618 views | portmanking |
| More links on 15:05 - Jan 12 by _clive_baker_ |
I think people need to get over this obsession with unearthing an obvious Hirst 2.0. There's fundamental aspects to his game that suit our system and facilitate the way we play, partly because he has the capability but also because he's being directed to operate in a certain way. That's true of a lot of players. They might not be being asked to play in a likeminded system or role currently, but it doesn't mean they're incapable of it. I would imagine our recruitment is as much based on the underlying capabilities - physicality, pace, technical, culture fit etc. as it is what they're doing right now.
The Blackburn fans slating Gallagher are the same ones telling us Hirst was a flop when he signed. [Post edited 12 Jan 2024 15:12]
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Seriously, and I mean seriously, Rajovic is a six-yard box man. He even says as much himself in the press. He's technically very inadequate too. There's many Watford fans happy at the rumours, which says a lot despite only signing last summer.
Gallagher is a credible shout as a Hirst-esque replacement due to his physicals and mentals - a very selfless player. It's just the cost and fitness question marks. | | | |
| More links on 15:22 - Jan 12 with 1562 views | _clive_baker_ |
| More links on 15:10 - Jan 12 by portmanking |
Seriously, and I mean seriously, Rajovic is a six-yard box man. He even says as much himself in the press. He's technically very inadequate too. There's many Watford fans happy at the rumours, which says a lot despite only signing last summer.
Gallagher is a credible shout as a Hirst-esque replacement due to his physicals and mentals - a very selfless player. It's just the cost and fitness question marks. |
I haven't seen a huge amount of Rajovic, although I was at Vicarage road last month and thought he was handy. Watford's shape was fluid but not dissimilar to our own with Rajovic as the focal point, and the likes of Kone and Asprilla off him. He's definitely more of a predatory striker and in a different mold to Hirst on that evidence, he didn't run the channels like Hirst does or press particularly aggressively, but he held the ball up well at times and physically he's impressive. I think there's a decent player in there.
Gallagher isn't one that makes a lot of sense to me given the immediacy of the issue. We've effectively got a 20 game season now to push on for automatics, we can't afford him to not be fit for the first half of that. | | | |
| More links on 15:30 - Jan 12 with 1521 views | portmanking |
| More links on 15:22 - Jan 12 by _clive_baker_ |
I haven't seen a huge amount of Rajovic, although I was at Vicarage road last month and thought he was handy. Watford's shape was fluid but not dissimilar to our own with Rajovic as the focal point, and the likes of Kone and Asprilla off him. He's definitely more of a predatory striker and in a different mold to Hirst on that evidence, he didn't run the channels like Hirst does or press particularly aggressively, but he held the ball up well at times and physically he's impressive. I think there's a decent player in there.
Gallagher isn't one that makes a lot of sense to me given the immediacy of the issue. We've effectively got a 20 game season now to push on for automatics, we can't afford him to not be fit for the first half of that. |
Maybe Gallagher is closer to full fitness than reported? I can't imagine either us or Sunderland would be sniffing if we knew he'd take another month to get up and running... surely?! | | | |
| More links on 15:35 - Jan 12 with 1492 views | _clive_baker_ |
| More links on 15:30 - Jan 12 by portmanking |
Maybe Gallagher is closer to full fitness than reported? I can't imagine either us or Sunderland would be sniffing if we knew he'd take another month to get up and running... surely?! |
Possibly, but given he hasn't played for 4 months it's going to be a bit of an ask for him to get up to speed, especially given the level of physical output that role requires in our side. Just strikes me as a bit of an odd one in that respect. | | | |
| More links on 15:37 - Jan 12 with 1461 views | SomethingBlue |
| More links on 15:35 - Jan 12 by _clive_baker_ |
Possibly, but given he hasn't played for 4 months it's going to be a bit of an ask for him to get up to speed, especially given the level of physical output that role requires in our side. Just strikes me as a bit of an odd one in that respect. |
He was the obvious off-the-shelf Hirst replacement, for me, as soon as it was clear GH would miss the season. Seems a suggestion he will be back in training this month but I do understand the concerns about how long it'd take to get him firing. | |
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| More links on 15:39 - Jan 12 with 1449 views | portmanking |
| More links on 15:35 - Jan 12 by _clive_baker_ |
Possibly, but given he hasn't played for 4 months it's going to be a bit of an ask for him to get up to speed, especially given the level of physical output that role requires in our side. Just strikes me as a bit of an odd one in that respect. |
Yes, he'd almost need a mini-pre season to get up to speed... I really hope we've been training with Broady as the 9 this week. Sarmiento could easily play Broadhead's current role. The question mark is the physical durability of Broadhead really, as he rarely lasts more than 65 mins. | | | |
| More links on 15:39 - Jan 12 with 1447 views | Kieran_Knows |
| More links on 15:37 - Jan 12 by SomethingBlue |
He was the obvious off-the-shelf Hirst replacement, for me, as soon as it was clear GH would miss the season. Seems a suggestion he will be back in training this month but I do understand the concerns about how long it'd take to get him firing. |
Would it be silly of me to suggest that given the way that tweet has been worded, we are in for both Gallagher and Rajović?
Which would allow us to get Gallagher up to speed? |  |
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| More links on 15:42 - Jan 12 with 1419 views | SomethingBlue |
| More links on 15:39 - Jan 12 by Kieran_Knows |
Would it be silly of me to suggest that given the way that tweet has been worded, we are in for both Gallagher and Rajović?
Which would allow us to get Gallagher up to speed? |
Perhaps not impossible given Rajovic is more of a sniffer but I'd be surprised if we closed the season out with three six-footers as our options up there, and think two transfers fees of that weight would be beyond us. | |
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| More links on 15:44 - Jan 12 with 1416 views | itfcjoe |
Gallagher signed a new deal at Blackburn last year so wouldn't surprise me if he has longer than 6 months to run on it, is also back in full training now and has been for a couple of weeks |  |
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| More links on 15:46 - Jan 12 with 1383 views | _clive_baker_ |
| More links on 15:39 - Jan 12 by Kieran_Knows |
Would it be silly of me to suggest that given the way that tweet has been worded, we are in for both Gallagher and Rajović?
Which would allow us to get Gallagher up to speed? |
You would have to assume it would be Gallagher + 1 if it is to be him, otherwise it's unlikely to meaningfully help our issue for the foreseeable. Perhaps Gallagher as the permanent signing and a loanee as well? Which would free up Freddie to move on. | | | |
| More links on 15:54 - Jan 12 with 1329 views | tractorboy1978 |
| More links on 15:42 - Jan 12 by SomethingBlue |
Perhaps not impossible given Rajovic is more of a sniffer but I'd be surprised if we closed the season out with three six-footers as our options up there, and think two transfers fees of that weight would be beyond us. |
I'm sure you know this anyway but have to bear in mind fee is amortised over the length of contract, so say we spent £4m on two strikers, both on 3 year deals, only £667k would be hitting the P&L account for year ended 30 June 2024 (as only 6 months amortisation in the current year). | | | |
| More links on 15:58 - Jan 12 with 1286 views | portmanking |
| More links on 15:44 - Jan 12 by itfcjoe |
Gallagher signed a new deal at Blackburn last year so wouldn't surprise me if he has longer than 6 months to run on it, is also back in full training now and has been for a couple of weeks |
He's already back in full training?! Ah... well now that changes things.
If he's already on the grass, I'd be tempted if we want to maintain the status quo re. style. I don't think I'd be prepared to pay much more than 1.5m though. 2m tops, maybe? A lot for a 28 year-old but a calculated risk with automatic promotion still the carrot. | | | |
| More links on 16:07 - Jan 12 with 1258 views | itfcjoe |
| More links on 15:58 - Jan 12 by portmanking |
He's already back in full training?! Ah... well now that changes things.
If he's already on the grass, I'd be tempted if we want to maintain the status quo re. style. I don't think I'd be prepared to pay much more than 1.5m though. 2m tops, maybe? A lot for a 28 year-old but a calculated risk with automatic promotion still the carrot. |
Just checked my message about him and was told back in 'training' not 'full training' so that is an embellishment...was told back in training on 3rd Jan though so he must be close | |
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| More links on 16:10 - Jan 12 with 1237 views | SomethingBlue |
| More links on 16:07 - Jan 12 by itfcjoe |
Just checked my message about him and was told back in 'training' not 'full training' so that is an embellishment...was told back in training on 3rd Jan though so he must be close |
Tomasson has just said that Gallagher will be in travelling party at West Brom tomorrow ... | |
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| More links on 16:32 - Jan 12 with 1126 views | Parky |
| More links on 16:10 - Jan 12 by SomethingBlue |
Tomasson has just said that Gallagher will be in travelling party at West Brom tomorrow ... |
“Not match fit at all”. Sounds ideal
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| More links on 16:36 - Jan 12 with 1122 views | SomethingBlue |
| More links on 16:32 - Jan 12 by Parky |
“Not match fit at all”. Sounds ideal
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We don't have many games in the next four weeks – if we could do a deal next week and bring him up to speed from there then I would absolutely take that, I cannot see a more suitable Hirst alternative even vaguely within range. | |
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