| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer 09:18 - Jan 25 with 10524 views | itfcjoe |
There was always talk about how some were Cook, and some were Ashton.....here is my attempt at splitting them up and hits/misses
Ashton
Burns - hit
Harper - Miss
Hladky - Hit
Pigott - Miss
Fraser - Miss
Edmundson - Hit
Edwards - Miss
Barry - Miss
Celina - Hit
Cook
Evans - Miss
Chaplin - Hit
Burgess - Hit
Morsy - Hit
Bonne - Hit
Coulson - Miss
Walton - Hit
Don't know
Penney - Miss
Aluko - Hit
Carroll - Miss
Obviously other factors at play - i.e. Cook will have given his own players more chances than those more foisted upon him because he no doubt thought they were better players.
And some of the signings were hits because of McKenna as opposed to Cook - i.e. Burgess
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| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer (n/t) on 10:46 - Jan 26 with 784 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer (n/t) on 10:27 - Jan 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"Celina made the club aware he was available and wanted to come back as a starting point."
So whoever had been CEO would've got the credit for this one. Hardly some fine work by Ashton! |
No one is claiming it as fine work flash. |  |
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| Surprised by this post Joe? on 11:20 - Jan 26 with 744 views | unstableblue |
I thought Ashton’s approach at Ipswich was to leave player selection to the manager/coaching staff - so Cook and then McKenna and Probert (who’s started at the same time)
I didn’t think Ashton had a hand in selecting players, just executing the wish list. Whereas I think at Bristol City he did have more of a role.
Or has this changed since McKenna came in. |  |
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| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 11:24 - Jan 26 with 729 views | Steve_M |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 22:38 - Jan 25 by DinDjarin |
I think Fraser would have been a massive hit under McKenna. |
No way, his lack of athleticism and workrate would get him nowhere near a McKenna team. |  |
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| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer (n/t) on 11:24 - Jan 26 with 727 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer (n/t) on 10:46 - Jan 26 by FrimleyBlue |
No one is claiming it as fine work flash. |
Don't go twisting again Frimmers. That was just a turn of phrase. The point, as you well know, is that in this thread Celina's signing has been attributed to Ashton, and you've vehemently backed that up. But the truth is Dijon rang up the club and said he's available if you want him again. So I stand by my initial comment that it's very generous to give the signing to Ashton. Given that all Ashton had to do was sit in a chair and pick a phone up. |  |
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| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer (n/t) on 11:26 - Jan 26 with 708 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer (n/t) on 11:24 - Jan 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Don't go twisting again Frimmers. That was just a turn of phrase. The point, as you well know, is that in this thread Celina's signing has been attributed to Ashton, and you've vehemently backed that up. But the truth is Dijon rang up the club and said he's available if you want him again. So I stand by my initial comment that it's very generous to give the signing to Ashton. Given that all Ashton had to do was sit in a chair and pick a phone up. |
Indeed. Most signings are done via phone calls and then subsequent meetings. | |
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| Surprised by this post Joe? on 11:32 - Jan 26 with 697 views | redrickstuhaart |
| Surprised by this post Joe? on 11:20 - Jan 26 by unstableblue |
I thought Ashton’s approach at Ipswich was to leave player selection to the manager/coaching staff - so Cook and then McKenna and Probert (who’s started at the same time)
I didn’t think Ashton had a hand in selecting players, just executing the wish list. Whereas I think at Bristol City he did have more of a role.
Or has this changed since McKenna came in. |
Quite.
And even at Bristol, it was used as a stick to beat Ashton with, often without a shred of actual evidence. Then people picked up on that and started claiming it here as well. Whole thread is absurd. |  | | |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer (n/t) on 11:44 - Jan 26 with 672 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer (n/t) on 11:26 - Jan 26 by FrimleyBlue |
Indeed. Most signings are done via phone calls and then subsequent meetings. |
Oh dear, here we go again.
Most signings don't happen by a club ringing up another club and saying, "Do you want this player who you had 3 years ago?" and the other club says, "Thanks very much" and you sign them.. and then the person who picked the phone up gets the credit for that signing.
My first response in this thread was, "Think it's a bit generous to give Celina to Ashton given he was at the club years before Ashton arrived. Very little spade work required for that one!" and your reply was, "Not true Flash" - and yet now you seem to be agreeing with me.
What was "not true" about my comment that it's "a bit generous to give Celina to Ashton" and that there was "Very little spade work required"?
Surely the point of this thread is to show astuteness in the transfer market? I'm not sure picking a phone up is particularly astute!? | |
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| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer (n/t) on 12:09 - Jan 26 with 638 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer (n/t) on 11:44 - Jan 26 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Oh dear, here we go again.
Most signings don't happen by a club ringing up another club and saying, "Do you want this player who you had 3 years ago?" and the other club says, "Thanks very much" and you sign them.. and then the person who picked the phone up gets the credit for that signing.
My first response in this thread was, "Think it's a bit generous to give Celina to Ashton given he was at the club years before Ashton arrived. Very little spade work required for that one!" and your reply was, "Not true Flash" - and yet now you seem to be agreeing with me.
What was "not true" about my comment that it's "a bit generous to give Celina to Ashton" and that there was "Very little spade work required"?
Surely the point of this thread is to show astuteness in the transfer market? I'm not sure picking a phone up is particularly astute!? |
Flash I'm winding you up. Phil and Joe have already explained it. | |
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| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 12:29 - Jan 26 with 617 views | burnbudgiesburn |
Late to this, but putting Aluko as a hit, and then Evans & Edwards as a miss is a bit weird and probably just your personal bias on those players.
Evans was arguably our player of the season in the first half of last year and Edwards made some telling contributions from the bench. | | | |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 13:45 - Jan 26 with 570 views | Europablue |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 10:42 - Jan 25 by FrimleyBlue |
It's just obvious unless you choose to ignore it on purpose.
You look at the style the manager plays, has played before and the types of players brought in that don't suit it at all
Fraser, for example never suited a PC lineup, he wasn't mobile enough.
Edwards and Harper, the west brom connection
Celina was Ashtons relationship with a member of the parent clubs staff..
It's not trolling to suggest a CEO brought in players for the managers squad. it happens at every club. |
It's very counter productive and is likely to end up being a huge waste of money. | | | |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 13:56 - Jan 26 with 535 views | Europablue |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 12:28 - Jan 25 by ITFCMonk |
Thought I’d add Mckennas to the list just to compare / evaluate -
Dominic Thompson - miss
Tyreeq Bakinson - hit
Dominic Ball - miss
Freddie Ladapo - hit
Greg Leigh - miss
Leif Davis - hit
Tyreece John-Jules - miss
Joel Coleman - miss
Harry Clarke - hit
Massimo Luongo - hit
Nathan Broadhead - hit
George Hirst - hit
Axel Tuanzebe - hit
Jack Taylor - hit
Dane Scarlett - miss
Omari Hutchinson - hit
Brandon Williams - miss
Jeremy Sarmiento - hit
Lewis Travis - hit
Any others I’ve missed? Feel free to change to your opinion |
Greg Leigh was a definite hit. He was a very able back up, the only problem with him is that he wanted to get more minutes!
Tyreece John-Jules was a hit then got injured
Dom Ball is still rated by KM, so I'm sure he wouldn't agree, on the whole, I suppose he's a miss.
Brandon Williams was very much a hit until a mystery illness/injury. I was surprised when he joined because he doesn't exactly have the temperament of Burns or Chaplain.
Jack Taylor came in for quite a fee, so in that aspect he is somewhere between a hit and a miss. | | | |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer (n/t) on 14:02 - Jan 26 with 529 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer (n/t) on 12:09 - Jan 26 by FrimleyBlue |
Flash I'm winding you up. Phil and Joe have already explained it. |
The old "I was only joking" defence is a new one for you, but well played, I have no comeback to that! | |
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| Surprised by this post Joe? on 14:26 - Jan 26 with 496 views | Vegtablue |
| Surprised by this post Joe? on 11:32 - Jan 26 by redrickstuhaart |
Quite.
And even at Bristol, it was used as a stick to beat Ashton with, often without a shred of actual evidence. Then people picked up on that and started claiming it here as well. Whole thread is absurd. |
I'm not so sure. Phil's certain "everyone on the staff was asked for their input on who might be signed due to the lack of scouting staff at that point". He would know, given the conversations he was both privy to and directly involved in. It seems reasonable, given the rather extreme situation we were in, that Ashton was an important voice in identifying players at the beginning. His wealth of experience surely put him in a better place to help than many? It may well have been too collaborative to assign players specifically to him, though. | | | |
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