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There was always talk about how some were Cook, and some were Ashton.....here is my attempt at splitting them up and hits/misses
Ashton
Burns - hit
Harper - Miss
Hladky - Hit
Pigott - Miss
Fraser - Miss
Edmundson - Hit
Edwards - Miss
Barry - Miss
Celina - Hit
Cook
Evans - Miss
Chaplin - Hit
Burgess - Hit
Morsy - Hit
Bonne - Hit
Coulson - Miss
Walton - Hit
Don't know
Penney - Miss
Aluko - Hit
Carroll - Miss
Obviously other factors at play - i.e. Cook will have given his own players more chances than those more foisted upon him because he no doubt thought they were better players.
And some of the signings were hits because of McKenna as opposed to Cook - i.e. Burgess
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| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 12:03 - Jan 25 with 1689 views | lazyblue |
Evans is not a miss. |  | | |
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| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 11:17 - Jan 25 by FrimleyBlue |
What a squad though
Chris Wood
Kalvin Phillips
Who else we had ( And yes well aware Phillips was my one lol ) Bloody west ham have got in there first. |
Cole Palmer is the one that got away. | | | |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 12:28 - Jan 25 with 1654 views | ITFCMonk |
Thought I’d add Mckennas to the list just to compare / evaluate -
Dominic Thompson - miss
Tyreeq Bakinson - hit
Dominic Ball - miss
Freddie Ladapo - hit
Greg Leigh - miss
Leif Davis - hit
Tyreece John-Jules - miss
Joel Coleman - miss
Harry Clarke - hit
Massimo Luongo - hit
Nathan Broadhead - hit
George Hirst - hit
Axel Tuanzebe - hit
Jack Taylor - hit
Dane Scarlett - miss
Omari Hutchinson - hit
Brandon Williams - miss
Jeremy Sarmiento - hit
Lewis Travis - hit
Any others I’ve missed? Feel free to change to your opinion |  |
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| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 12:30 - Jan 25 with 1634 views | hype313 |
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Thought I’d add Mckennas to the list just to compare / evaluate -
Dominic Thompson - miss
Tyreeq Bakinson - hit
Dominic Ball - miss
Freddie Ladapo - hit
Greg Leigh - miss
Leif Davis - hit
Tyreece John-Jules - miss
Joel Coleman - miss
Harry Clarke - hit
Massimo Luongo - hit
Nathan Broadhead - hit
George Hirst - hit
Axel Tuanzebe - hit
Jack Taylor - hit
Dane Scarlett - miss
Omari Hutchinson - hit
Brandon Williams - miss
Jeremy Sarmiento - hit
Lewis Travis - hit
Any others I’ve missed? Feel free to change to your opinion |
Bakinson a hit? |  |
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| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 12:33 - Jan 25 with 1635 views | Kieran_Knows |
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Thought I’d add Mckennas to the list just to compare / evaluate -
Dominic Thompson - miss
Tyreeq Bakinson - hit
Dominic Ball - miss
Freddie Ladapo - hit
Greg Leigh - miss
Leif Davis - hit
Tyreece John-Jules - miss
Joel Coleman - miss
Harry Clarke - hit
Massimo Luongo - hit
Nathan Broadhead - hit
George Hirst - hit
Axel Tuanzebe - hit
Jack Taylor - hit
Dane Scarlett - miss
Omari Hutchinson - hit
Brandon Williams - miss
Jeremy Sarmiento - hit
Lewis Travis - hit
Any others I’ve missed? Feel free to change to your opinion |
Dominic Thompson - miss
Tyreeq Bakinson - miss
Dominic Ball - 50/50
Freddie Ladapo - hit
Greg Leigh - 50/50
Leif Davis - hit
Tyreece John-Jules - hit
Joel Coleman - I mean, are we really judging a third choice keeper who was never going to make an appearance?
Harry Clarke - hit
Massimo Luongo - hit
Nathan Broadhead - hit
George Hirst - hit
Axel Tuanzebe - 50/50
Jack Taylor - hit
Dane Scarlett - miss
Omari Hutchinson - hit
Brandon Williams - 50/50
Jeremy Sarmiento - hit, so far.
Lewis Travis - hit, so far. |  |
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| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 12:44 - Jan 25 with 1613 views | Vegtablue |
Edwards shouldn't be labelled a miss IMO, especially when Aluko and Bonne are deemed a hit. Not privy to players' wages but Edwards brought qualities which were otherwise missing from the squad, much like Hutchinson and Sarmiento now. McKenna referenced Edwards when discussing the Sarmiento signing a couple of weeks ago: how we were lighter on 1v1 skills in his absence and this hopefully addressed that. He played 32 times in the league last season and was pivotal to unlocking teams on several occasions. I'll find the quotes.
McKenna on his departure:
“Kyle’s someone we had conversations with at the end of last season,” he said. “We both agreed that he’s at the stage of his career where he wants to go and start more games and he needs to become a more regular starter.
“He’s been an important player for us, particularly as an impact player. He had a really big role last year, but he wants to go out and start more games and build his career. He’s at the stage where he wants to do that.
He’s here, he’s training well with the group and he’s an asset to us. If he stays here, he’ll be with the group. If he has an opportunity to go and play, which is what he wishes to do, then that’s something that we’ll look at as it comes in.”
McKenna on Sarmiento's arrival:
"As a player, technically he's a really, really high level. He can manipulate the ball, has really good one-v-one skills, the ability to combine and beat opponents.
That's something that we really wanted to add to the squad. You can maybe say that this time last year, with Kyle Edwards, we had some of those qualities in the squad and we don't have quite so much of that this year. So that was a goal in the summer to add those qualities. Jeremy certainly adds that." | | | |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 12:48 - Jan 25 with 1582 views | Garv |
Evans a miss is harsh isn't it?
I know it's partly because our midfield for 10 years prior to Gamechanger was largely rubbish, but to suddenly have a midfielder with a range of passing like him was so refreshing. |  |
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| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 12:56 - Jan 25 with 1552 views | Vic |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 12:28 - Jan 25 by ITFCMonk |
Thought I’d add Mckennas to the list just to compare / evaluate -
Dominic Thompson - miss
Tyreeq Bakinson - hit
Dominic Ball - miss
Freddie Ladapo - hit
Greg Leigh - miss
Leif Davis - hit
Tyreece John-Jules - miss
Joel Coleman - miss
Harry Clarke - hit
Massimo Luongo - hit
Nathan Broadhead - hit
George Hirst - hit
Axel Tuanzebe - hit
Jack Taylor - hit
Dane Scarlett - miss
Omari Hutchinson - hit
Brandon Williams - miss
Jeremy Sarmiento - hit
Lewis Travis - hit
Any others I’ve missed? Feel free to change to your opinion |
It's interesting to try to classify what constitutes a hit or miss. is it in terms of level of impact in games? Is it number of games? Is it progress made (or otherwise?) Not sure i know the answer but wondering what matrix we're using to assess.
So for me:
Dom ball is a gentle hit because he's been a very dependable, safe back up.
Greg Leigh was excellent in the games he played, so another really good squad player. Williams? Not sure what happened there - but was brilliant in some games. Somethings obviously gone wrong.
Tyreece JJ - surely a hit - but suffered because he got injured for most of the season. You just can't legislate for that can you!
Back to joe's list - Evans is another who was really good when he first played, then got injured and then got left behind as we progressed. Difficult to classify him as a miss in my book.
Just my thoughts! |  |
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| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 13:04 - Jan 25 with 1541 views | Jon_456 |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 12:28 - Jan 25 by ITFCMonk |
Thought I’d add Mckennas to the list just to compare / evaluate -
Dominic Thompson - miss
Tyreeq Bakinson - hit
Dominic Ball - miss
Freddie Ladapo - hit
Greg Leigh - miss
Leif Davis - hit
Tyreece John-Jules - miss
Joel Coleman - miss
Harry Clarke - hit
Massimo Luongo - hit
Nathan Broadhead - hit
George Hirst - hit
Axel Tuanzebe - hit
Jack Taylor - hit
Dane Scarlett - miss
Omari Hutchinson - hit
Brandon Williams - miss
Jeremy Sarmiento - hit
Lewis Travis - hit
Any others I’ve missed? Feel free to change to your opinion |
How can you have Greg Leigh as a miss? He was unfortunate that we signed the best left back in League one by a country mile (and proving to be the best LB in the champ a year later). However whenever he was called upon, whether from the bench or starting, he always did a solid job.
I certainly wouldn’t have been as worried against QPR and Stoke had we still had Leigh as back up. | | | |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 13:14 - Jan 25 with 1530 views | Steve_M |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 12:28 - Jan 25 by ITFCMonk |
Thought I’d add Mckennas to the list just to compare / evaluate -
Dominic Thompson - miss
Tyreeq Bakinson - hit
Dominic Ball - miss
Freddie Ladapo - hit
Greg Leigh - miss
Leif Davis - hit
Tyreece John-Jules - miss
Joel Coleman - miss
Harry Clarke - hit
Massimo Luongo - hit
Nathan Broadhead - hit
George Hirst - hit
Axel Tuanzebe - hit
Jack Taylor - hit
Dane Scarlett - miss
Omari Hutchinson - hit
Brandon Williams - miss
Jeremy Sarmiento - hit
Lewis Travis - hit
Any others I’ve missed? Feel free to change to your opinion |
Thompson and Bakinson were fine, perfectly competent players who played a decent number of games in the time they were here. We obviously had better options at left back than DT that Summer but it's not clear we got anyone better than Bakinson in before Luongo joined.
And Leigh is definitely not a miss. |  |
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| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 13:22 - Jan 25 with 1514 views | leitrimblue |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 11:58 - Jan 25 by itfcjoe |
Yep, he wanted to sign Jacobs as an example (who he has since signed at Chesterfield) and the deal was as done as it could be bar the literal final piece....Ashton then got wind Edwards was avaialble and we did that and just sacked off Johnson.
But Cook would have had to agree to that, and was singing Edwards' praises to all who listened when he first had him - there certainly wasn't massive tensions brewing in that regard.
Funnily enough, the one player who he wanted to get rid of almost straight away and replace was Cameron Burgess who was very much his signing |
Yer, there were definitely no players forced on Cook that he wasn't happy to take. I think yer right about Edwards, believe he seen him as a step up on Jacobs and was more then happy with decision.
No don't think there was massive tensions between them at all during that window. Which is actually slightly surprising because I had heard they had previously had some kinda issue ( prior to Ipswich but don't know the context) But they had clearly worked that out or glossed over it that summer. |  | | |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 13:27 - Jan 25 with 1505 views | leitrimblue |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 12:02 - Jan 25 by hype313 |
I got the impression Cook thought all his Christmases had come at once with all these signings, especially given the fact that he worked under such huge financial constraints previously.
Felt like he was a kid in a sweet shop. |
I know Paul Cook was so feck1n desperate to be successful here. Believe he wanted to join months before he was appointed. Had genuine love for Ipswich and felt they should be at least back to where they are now.
He really is a football bloke and I imagine he's very happy for Town and Mckenna.
I hope he fails at Chesterfield and comes back to Sligo. May get all the gossip then  | | | |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 13:48 - Jan 25 with 1466 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 10:44 - Jan 25 by FrimleyBlue |
Not true Flash,
Ashton had contacts at Dijon, which I showed at the time.
Bare in mind, many of the staff who were here when mick was.. weren't anymore.. |
You're having a laugh aren't you? Ashton may well have had contacts at Dijon but Celina played 40 games for Ipswich before Ashton was even thought of.
You say many of the staff weren't here any more... but I'll counter that with many were!
Absolutely incredible to think Celina is all down to Ashton! |  |
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| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 13:53 - Jan 25 with 1457 views | tractorboy1978 |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 13:48 - Jan 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You're having a laugh aren't you? Ashton may well have had contacts at Dijon but Celina played 40 games for Ipswich before Ashton was even thought of.
You say many of the staff weren't here any more... but I'll counter that with many were!
Absolutely incredible to think Celina is all down to Ashton! |
What staff involved in recruitment were still here from MM's time?
The fans and his previous experience here played a big part in him agreeing the move but he wouldn't have been here if Ashton/Cook didn't want him would he?! | | | |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 13:56 - Jan 25 with 1427 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 13:48 - Jan 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
You're having a laugh aren't you? Ashton may well have had contacts at Dijon but Celina played 40 games for Ipswich before Ashton was even thought of.
You say many of the staff weren't here any more... but I'll counter that with many were!
Absolutely incredible to think Celina is all down to Ashton! |
I just think it's more probable that the loan came via Ashton and Dijon contacts than town when 3 years had passed since he'd been with us.
No I don't think someone thought of a player from 3 years prior and said, have a look at what they're doing now.. |  |
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| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 14:00 - Jan 25 with 1408 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 13:53 - Jan 25 by tractorboy1978 |
What staff involved in recruitment were still here from MM's time?
The fans and his previous experience here played a big part in him agreeing the move but he wouldn't have been here if Ashton/Cook didn't want him would he?! |
Eh?! I didn't say Ashton/Cook didn't want him!
Ashton obviously got the deal finalised, but to say it's all down to him is hilarious. As Phil says above, it was all hands on deck in terms of contacts/recruitment, you think no-one at the club knew about Celina or had a contact for him?! | |
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| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 14:01 - Jan 25 with 1413 views | itfcjoe |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 13:56 - Jan 25 by FrimleyBlue |
I just think it's more probable that the loan came via Ashton and Dijon contacts than town when 3 years had passed since he'd been with us.
No I don't think someone thought of a player from 3 years prior and said, have a look at what they're doing now.. |
You're half right, it was Ashton but through connections with his agent more than Dijon | |
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| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer (n/t) on 14:08 - Jan 25 with 1377 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 14:01 - Jan 25 by itfcjoe |
You're half right, it was Ashton but through connections with his agent more than Dijon |
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Well no, the dijon connection alerted club to his availablity, Ashtons own contacts with his agency made it easier
Having been with us before made the prospect easier for Celina to choose from of course.
But based on Joe's OP and how the signings are split, Celina does fall into the Ashton recruitment pot. | |
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| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 14:13 - Jan 25 with 1342 views | PhilTWTD |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 14:01 - Jan 25 by itfcjoe |
You're half right, it was Ashton but through connections with his agent more than Dijon |
There's certainly something in that, but wouldn't surprise me if the deal came about the other way around, Celina made the club aware he was available and wanted to come back as a starting point. Dijon had got relegated and wanted him off their books, so I think they effectively said to go and find yourself a new club. |  | | |
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| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 13:22 - Jan 25 by leitrimblue |
Yer, there were definitely no players forced on Cook that he wasn't happy to take. I think yer right about Edwards, believe he seen him as a step up on Jacobs and was more then happy with decision.
No don't think there was massive tensions between them at all during that window. Which is actually slightly surprising because I had heard they had previously had some kinda issue ( prior to Ipswich but don't know the context) But they had clearly worked that out or glossed over it that summer. |
If I recall, didn't Cook get turned down after being interviewed for the Bristol City job while Ashton was there? |  |
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| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 22:22 - Jan 25 with 1201 views | PhilTWTD |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 12:28 - Jan 25 by ITFCMonk |
Thought I’d add Mckennas to the list just to compare / evaluate -
Dominic Thompson - miss
Tyreeq Bakinson - hit
Dominic Ball - miss
Freddie Ladapo - hit
Greg Leigh - miss
Leif Davis - hit
Tyreece John-Jules - miss
Joel Coleman - miss
Harry Clarke - hit
Massimo Luongo - hit
Nathan Broadhead - hit
George Hirst - hit
Axel Tuanzebe - hit
Jack Taylor - hit
Dane Scarlett - miss
Omari Hutchinson - hit
Brandon Williams - miss
Jeremy Sarmiento - hit
Lewis Travis - hit
Any others I’ve missed? Feel free to change to your opinion |
I think Bakinson came from his connection with Mark Ashton at Bristol City. I seem to recall hearing there was interest when Paul Cook was here but didn't happen at that point for whatever reason. | | | |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 22:38 - Jan 25 with 1166 views | DinDjarin |
I think Fraser would have been a massive hit under McKenna. |  | | |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 08:22 - Jan 26 with 1079 views | FrimleyBlue |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer on 22:38 - Jan 25 by DinDjarin |
I think Fraser would have been a massive hit under McKenna. |
Wasn't KM the one who let him go? | |
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| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer (n/t) on 10:27 - Jan 26 with 1010 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| The 19 signings we made in the first gamechanger summer (n/t) on 14:11 - Jan 25 by FrimleyBlue |
Well no, the dijon connection alerted club to his availablity, Ashtons own contacts with his agency made it easier
Having been with us before made the prospect easier for Celina to choose from of course.
But based on Joe's OP and how the signings are split, Celina does fall into the Ashton recruitment pot. |
"Celina made the club aware he was available and wanted to come back as a starting point."
So whoever had been CEO would've got the credit for this one. Hardly some fine work by Ashton! | |
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