| How low can Sunak go? 12:32 - Feb 7 with 18544 views | DJR |
This from PMQs, and Sunak was cheered by his own side.
Starmer praises the bravery of Brianna Ghey’s mother, and says she is in the gallery today.
Sunak says Starmer has broken almost all his promises. He says he has counted 30. He lists some of them, including on the difference between a man and a woman, although that is only a 99% U-turn, he says.
Starmer condemns Sunak for making jibe about trans people with Brianna Ghey's mother watching PMQs from gallery
Starmer says, of all the weeks, this was not the time for Sunak to make that jibe about trans people, especially with Brianna Ghey’s mother in the gallery.
He says, as PM, it is Sunak’s job to ensure all people in this country feel safe.
UPDATE: Starmer said:
Of all the weeks to say that, when Brianna’s mother is in this chamber. Shame.
Parading as a man of integrity when he’s got absolutely no responsibility.”
I think the role of the prime minister is to ensure that every single citizen in this country feels safe and respected, it’s a shame that the prime minister doesn’t share that |  | | |  |
| How low can Sunak go? on 16:31 - Feb 7 with 2974 views | matteoblue |
| How low can Sunak go? on 16:17 - Feb 7 by BlueBadger |
You did, right here.
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I never even mentioned her. Poor effort. Nearly as bad as Starmer's gags. Mind you, the squeaky voice doesn't help  |  |
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| How low can Sunak go? on 17:06 - Feb 7 with 2913 views | BlueBadger |
| How low can Sunak go? on 16:31 - Feb 7 by matteoblue |
I never even mentioned her. Poor effort. Nearly as bad as Starmer's gags. Mind you, the squeaky voice doesn't help |
When exactly did Starmer start making transphobic jokes? |  |
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| How low can Sunak go? on 17:06 - Feb 7 with 2915 views | leitrimblue |
| How low can Sunak go? on 16:31 - Feb 7 by matteoblue |
I never even mentioned her. Poor effort. Nearly as bad as Starmer's gags. Mind you, the squeaky voice doesn't help |
Have you considered yer squeaky voice may be cause yer pants are way to tight Matt? |  | | |
| How low can Sunak go? on 17:52 - Feb 7 with 2824 views | matteoblue |
| How low can Sunak go? on 17:06 - Feb 7 by BlueBadger |
When exactly did Starmer start making transphobic jokes? |
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| How low can Sunak go? on 18:02 - Feb 7 with 2800 views | Mullet |
I just watched it here and couldn't believe it.
It's not often I'm disgusted by him or his lot, usually just frustrated or angry. But that, appalling stuff. The way Starmer handled it too shows why he's going to be a massive upgrade on these lot. |  |
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| How low can Sunak go? on 18:03 - Feb 7 with 2797 views | redrickstuhaart |
| How low can Sunak go? on 17:52 - Feb 7 by matteoblue |
Ever poorer effort |
Its responding to your poor effort.
Do you have a proper point to make, backed up with something substantive, or are you just acting the bigot for shi7z and giggles? Not a good look either way. |  | | |
| How low can Sunak go? on 18:06 - Feb 7 with 2787 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| How low can Sunak go? on 14:09 - Feb 7 by lowhouseblue |
it wasn't actually a transphobic joke. it was a swing at starmer for making u turns - a swing that missed so badly that he hit himself. but how about we demonstrate the sensitivity and decency that sunak lacks and not use this particular tragic context to re-hash the trans debate? |
Because while the Prime Minister of the country still thinks it is a subject to make jokes about (and the "99%" thing was a joke) even in front of Brianna Ghey's mother, then it is a subject that I and others are not going to be quiet about.
One of the stock moves of the wealthy and powerful in this country make, whenever their privilege and the injustices that enable it are challenged, is that those doing the questioning are being uncouth, or unseemly, or rude, or chippy. Or that it is disrespectful. Or that it isn't the right time.
Every day is the right time to stand up for vulnerable people like Brianna Ghey. Every day is the right time to speak out against hate.
And in the face of injustice, disruption is necessary, and very loud voices are required to drown out the special pleading of the privileged and their client journalists.
Sorry if that makes us uncouth and chippy. | | | |
| How low can Sunak go? on 18:15 - Feb 7 with 2762 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
Jeremy Rhyming Slang now claiming, "thats not what happened"
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| How low can Sunak go? on 18:25 - Feb 7 with 2722 views | factual_blue |
| How low can Sunak go? on 18:02 - Feb 7 by Mullet |
I just watched it here and couldn't believe it.
It's not often I'm disgusted by him or his lot, usually just frustrated or angry. But that, appalling stuff. The way Starmer handled it too shows why he's going to be a massive upgrade on these lot. |
Keno, Hoppy, me and you would be a massive upgrade on this lot.
Well, perhaps not me. |  |
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| How low can Sunak go? on 18:26 - Feb 7 with 2706 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| How low can Sunak go? on 18:15 - Feb 7 by Cheltenham_Blue |
Jeremy Rhyming Slang now claiming, "thats not what happened"
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Jeremy Hunt there, being so respectful of Brianna Ghey's mother, that he calls her "Brianna Grey's mother". | | | |
| How low can Sunak go? on 18:29 - Feb 7 with 2681 views | Dubtractor |
For the one poster who seems OK with what Sunak said, maybe read what Brianna's father has said.
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| How low can Sunak go? on 18:34 - Feb 7 with 2643 views | Mullet |
| How low can Sunak go? on 18:29 - Feb 7 by Dubtractor |
For the one poster who seems OK with what Sunak said, maybe read what Brianna's father has said.
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I don't think that poster is so much OK with it, as they are infantile and desperate to get a reaction. Can't imagine being that damaged and expressing it like that. | |
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| How low can Sunak go? on 18:37 - Feb 7 with 2612 views | BlueBadger |
| How low can Sunak go? on 18:02 - Feb 7 by Mullet |
I just watched it here and couldn't believe it.
It's not often I'm disgusted by him or his lot, usually just frustrated or angry. But that, appalling stuff. The way Starmer handled it too shows why he's going to be a massive upgrade on these lot. |
How low can Sunak go? by BlueBadger 7 Feb 2024 13:28Every time there's a hit piece written about trans folk, some politician decides to stoke hate for cheap headlines or Enid Blyton for VVankers tells us she has Very Real Concerns about trans people I see some poor trans kid in my ED having either been assaulted, self harming, overdosing or in general mental heath crisis as result of the general storing of hate.
F**k Sunak, f**k the Tories, f**k anyone who voted for them, f**k anyone who makes excuses for this bulls1t, it has REAL consequences for real, vulnerable(often young) people.
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| How low can Sunak go? on 18:43 - Feb 7 with 2584 views | lowhouseblue |
| How low can Sunak go? on 18:06 - Feb 7 by ArnoldMoorhen |
Because while the Prime Minister of the country still thinks it is a subject to make jokes about (and the "99%" thing was a joke) even in front of Brianna Ghey's mother, then it is a subject that I and others are not going to be quiet about.
One of the stock moves of the wealthy and powerful in this country make, whenever their privilege and the injustices that enable it are challenged, is that those doing the questioning are being uncouth, or unseemly, or rude, or chippy. Or that it is disrespectful. Or that it isn't the right time.
Every day is the right time to stand up for vulnerable people like Brianna Ghey. Every day is the right time to speak out against hate.
And in the face of injustice, disruption is necessary, and very loud voices are required to drown out the special pleading of the privileged and their client journalists.
Sorry if that makes us uncouth and chippy. |
it was a joke about starmer u turning. the 99% is a reference to what starmer previously said - starmer now says something different. sunak has made the same joke before and no one then suggested it was a joke about trans people - everyone saw it as a very weak joke about starmer. it was very crass for sunak to use that as an example of starmer u turning given today's context.
my point was that given today's context it isn't the time to repeat the usual debate on here about what is and what isn't hateful or transphobic. it would be hypocritical to accuse sunak of that and then do it ourselves.
it's great that you want to stand up for vulnerable people, but you are trying to frame this whole issue is a way which is divisive and unnecessarily confrontational. |  |
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| How low can Sunak go? on 18:44 - Feb 7 with 2569 views | redrickstuhaart |
| How low can Sunak go? on 18:43 - Feb 7 by lowhouseblue |
it was a joke about starmer u turning. the 99% is a reference to what starmer previously said - starmer now says something different. sunak has made the same joke before and no one then suggested it was a joke about trans people - everyone saw it as a very weak joke about starmer. it was very crass for sunak to use that as an example of starmer u turning given today's context.
my point was that given today's context it isn't the time to repeat the usual debate on here about what is and what isn't hateful or transphobic. it would be hypocritical to accuse sunak of that and then do it ourselves.
it's great that you want to stand up for vulnerable people, but you are trying to frame this whole issue is a way which is divisive and unnecessarily confrontational. |
No. It is absolutely the time. A time when people might actually be slightly more conscious of the impact of their thoughtless comments and jibes. | | | |
| How low can Sunak go? on 19:13 - Feb 7 with 2486 views | BlueBadger |
| How low can Sunak go? on 18:43 - Feb 7 by lowhouseblue |
it was a joke about starmer u turning. the 99% is a reference to what starmer previously said - starmer now says something different. sunak has made the same joke before and no one then suggested it was a joke about trans people - everyone saw it as a very weak joke about starmer. it was very crass for sunak to use that as an example of starmer u turning given today's context.
my point was that given today's context it isn't the time to repeat the usual debate on here about what is and what isn't hateful or transphobic. it would be hypocritical to accuse sunak of that and then do it ourselves.
it's great that you want to stand up for vulnerable people, but you are trying to frame this whole issue is a way which is divisive and unnecessarily confrontational. |
Rishi just has Very Real Concerns. | |
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| How low can Sunak go? on 19:16 - Feb 7 with 2480 views | ArnoldMoorhen |
| How low can Sunak go? on 18:43 - Feb 7 by lowhouseblue |
it was a joke about starmer u turning. the 99% is a reference to what starmer previously said - starmer now says something different. sunak has made the same joke before and no one then suggested it was a joke about trans people - everyone saw it as a very weak joke about starmer. it was very crass for sunak to use that as an example of starmer u turning given today's context.
my point was that given today's context it isn't the time to repeat the usual debate on here about what is and what isn't hateful or transphobic. it would be hypocritical to accuse sunak of that and then do it ourselves.
it's great that you want to stand up for vulnerable people, but you are trying to frame this whole issue is a way which is divisive and unnecessarily confrontational. |
I know it was a joke about Starmer U turning. I said it was a joke. In reply to you saying that he hadn't made a joke.
You have played the "It's not the right time" card and added the "You are being divisive" card.
Sunak made a cheap joke about gender identity 2 minutes after Brianna Ghey's mother was formally welcomed to the House of Commons.
And you say I am talking about this subject in a manner which is "unnecessarily confrontational".
Meanwhile you are choosing to spend your day being an apologist for the billionaire Sunak who makes blokey bets about deporting people to Rwanda in contravention of international law (casually dropping a grand while many in this country queue at Foodbanks) and uses gender identity as a punchline in front of the mother of a young trans woman who was befriended, betrayed and brutally murdered because she was trans.
Why would you even want to defend him? | | | |
| How low can Sunak go? on 19:25 - Feb 7 with 2442 views | jayessess |
| How low can Sunak go? on 18:43 - Feb 7 by lowhouseblue |
it was a joke about starmer u turning. the 99% is a reference to what starmer previously said - starmer now says something different. sunak has made the same joke before and no one then suggested it was a joke about trans people - everyone saw it as a very weak joke about starmer. it was very crass for sunak to use that as an example of starmer u turning given today's context.
my point was that given today's context it isn't the time to repeat the usual debate on here about what is and what isn't hateful or transphobic. it would be hypocritical to accuse sunak of that and then do it ourselves.
it's great that you want to stand up for vulnerable people, but you are trying to frame this whole issue is a way which is divisive and unnecessarily confrontational. |
In general, I think "would I be happy making that joke in front of someone personally affected by it" is a pretty decent question to ask yourself if you're wondering whether something is potentially hateful or not. |  |
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| How low can Sunak go? on 19:28 - Feb 7 with 2424 views | lowhouseblue |
| How low can Sunak go? on 19:16 - Feb 7 by ArnoldMoorhen |
I know it was a joke about Starmer U turning. I said it was a joke. In reply to you saying that he hadn't made a joke.
You have played the "It's not the right time" card and added the "You are being divisive" card.
Sunak made a cheap joke about gender identity 2 minutes after Brianna Ghey's mother was formally welcomed to the House of Commons.
And you say I am talking about this subject in a manner which is "unnecessarily confrontational".
Meanwhile you are choosing to spend your day being an apologist for the billionaire Sunak who makes blokey bets about deporting people to Rwanda in contravention of international law (casually dropping a grand while many in this country queue at Foodbanks) and uses gender identity as a punchline in front of the mother of a young trans woman who was befriended, betrayed and brutally murdered because she was trans.
Why would you even want to defend him? |
you need to read what i've posted. i said it wasn't a transphobic joke. i've explained that it was a joke about starmer. i've explained that sunak has used the same joke before. i've said sunak was crass and stupid. how is that defending him or being an apologist for him? you seem to be overly eager to claim moral superiority on this - which just demonstrates again that it's really not an issue to discuss in the context of an extremely tragic death. so i'll leave you to it. [Post edited 7 Feb 2024 19:32]
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| How low can Sunak go? on 19:30 - Feb 7 with 2407 views | lowhouseblue |
| How low can Sunak go? on 19:25 - Feb 7 by jayessess |
In general, I think "would I be happy making that joke in front of someone personally affected by it" is a pretty decent question to ask yourself if you're wondering whether something is potentially hateful or not. |
it's crass and completely inappropriate and insensitive. the test for "hateful" is whether it is motivated by hate and i don't see anything to suggest that. | |
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| How low can Sunak go? on 19:32 - Feb 7 with 2375 views | BlueBadger |
| How low can Sunak go? on 19:30 - Feb 7 by lowhouseblue |
it's crass and completely inappropriate and insensitive. the test for "hateful" is whether it is motivated by hate and i don't see anything to suggest that. |
Rishi, the wider Tory party and their client media have been pushing this transphobic line for some time. Fair to say it's motivated by hate, by now. | |
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| How low can Sunak go? on 19:33 - Feb 7 with 2368 views | BlueBadger |
| How low can Sunak go? on 19:28 - Feb 7 by lowhouseblue |
you need to read what i've posted. i said it wasn't a transphobic joke. i've explained that it was a joke about starmer. i've explained that sunak has used the same joke before. i've said sunak was crass and stupid. how is that defending him or being an apologist for him? you seem to be overly eager to claim moral superiority on this - which just demonstrates again that it's really not an issue to discuss in the context of an extremely tragic death. so i'll leave you to it. [Post edited 7 Feb 2024 19:32]
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Stop. Making Excuses. For. Bigotry. | |
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| How low can Sunak go? on 19:34 - Feb 7 with 2353 views | redrickstuhaart |
| How low can Sunak go? on 19:28 - Feb 7 by lowhouseblue |
you need to read what i've posted. i said it wasn't a transphobic joke. i've explained that it was a joke about starmer. i've explained that sunak has used the same joke before. i've said sunak was crass and stupid. how is that defending him or being an apologist for him? you seem to be overly eager to claim moral superiority on this - which just demonstrates again that it's really not an issue to discuss in the context of an extremely tragic death. so i'll leave you to it. [Post edited 7 Feb 2024 19:32]
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It was a jibe at Starmer, with a punchline based on trans issues, thrown in, in a crass and insensitive manner, with the sort of comment designed to get a snigger from his mates and beloved of alt right bigots. | | | |
| How low can Sunak go? on 19:35 - Feb 7 with 2348 views | redrickstuhaart |
| How low can Sunak go? on 19:30 - Feb 7 by lowhouseblue |
it's crass and completely inappropriate and insensitive. the test for "hateful" is whether it is motivated by hate and i don't see anything to suggest that. |
He certainly hates the idea that gender dismorphia is a real thing. | | | |
| How low can Sunak go? on 20:00 - Feb 7 with 2292 views | jayessess |
| How low can Sunak go? on 19:30 - Feb 7 by lowhouseblue |
it's crass and completely inappropriate and insensitive. the test for "hateful" is whether it is motivated by hate and i don't see anything to suggest that. |
Always think this is a massive cop out. As a society you're never in a position to judge someone's inner thoughts, so it's a pointless test to levy.
The test is the effect it has in the world not whether your heart is pure.
If you are in parliament, you're making a public statement, you're being televised, every time you speak you're addressing the whole public and you'll inevitably be addressing someone somewhere who's been affected by transphobic violence. If you shouldn't say it because there's someone innocent it'll hurt sat right in front of you, you shouldn't say it full stop. | |
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