| If it walks like a duck etc… 21:01 - Feb 23 with 17819 views | ElderGrizzly |
Utterly repugnant and should have the whip withdrawn immediately
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| If it walks like a duck etc… on 17:04 - Feb 27 with 1740 views | Whos_blue |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 17:03 - Feb 27 by leitrimblue |
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| If it walks like a duck etc… on 17:23 - Feb 27 with 1712 views | Herbivore |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 17:11 - Feb 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Some people have the ability to speak out against racism no matter what side it comes from, and have been for many years.
2nd repy down.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/437729/page:1
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/437729/4046860/bojo-and-islamaphobia
There are plenty of other examples over the years so GTF.
I've constantly condemned the Islamophobia in the Tory party for years on here. As far back as when Baroness Warsi first raised it. I spoke out about antisemitism years before Corbyn was shamely elected as leader of the Labour party.
Are you seriously accusing somebody who has immediate family who are Jewish of "just using antisemitism as a stick to beat Labour with"? Because if that's the case you are an absolute offensive koont. My wife has Jewish blood. My kids have Jewish blood. [Post edited 28 Feb 2024 13:45]
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Yes, it would be very unfair to suggest that you've not called out racism in both the Tories and the Labour Party. The same can't necessarily be said about others, on both 'sides' (depressing that 'sides' exist when it comes to racism to be honest). |  |
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| If it walks like a duck etc… on 17:27 - Feb 27 with 1707 views | GlasgowBlue |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 17:23 - Feb 27 by Herbivore |
Yes, it would be very unfair to suggest that you've not called out racism in both the Tories and the Labour Party. The same can't necessarily be said about others, on both 'sides' (depressing that 'sides' exist when it comes to racism to be honest). |
Thank you Herbie. |  |
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| If it walks like a duck etc… on 20:40 - Feb 27 with 1614 views | DJR |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 10:32 - Feb 25 by DJR |
Given Braverman has not had the whip withdrawn and Oliver Dowden defended her this morning, it appears that the following language (from her article in the Telegraph) is perfectly acceptable.
"We need to wake up to what we are sleep-walking into: a ghettoised society where free expression and British values are diluted. Where sharia law, the Islamist mob and anti-Semites take over communities. The truth is that the Islamists, the extremists and the anti-Semites are in charge now."
If that's not Islamophobia, by tarring an entire community, I don't know what is. But maybe it's OK in today's Tory party to tar an entire community but not to tar an individual (Sadiq Khan). |
This explanation from No.10 is equally, if not more, applicable to what Braverman said, and given what they say is effectively admitting Islamophobia on the part of Anderson, why don't they call it thus?
"Downing Street has said Lee Anderson’s comment about Sadiq Khan was unacceptable because it was wrong “to conflate all Muslims with Islamist extremism”."
Taking in what I said on another thread, it's not just the One Nation Tories who are spineless, it's the whole damn Parliamentary party. [Post edited 27 Feb 2024 20:43]
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| If it walks like a duck etc… on 20:47 - Feb 27 with 1595 views | DJR |
The Ipswich connection is very depressing.
"It also emerged on Tuesday that a man had pleaded guilty to making threats against Khan after Lee Anderson’s comments.
Christopher Massey, 52, from Ipswich, twice called the control room of Suffolk constabulary.
The Crown Prosecution Service confirmed he had pleaded guilty on Monday to two counts of sending communication threatening death or serious harm.
The threat was made on Saturday. The charge against Massey said that in the phone call to police he had “conveyed a threat of death or serious harm to another, intending or being reckless as to whether an individual encountering the message would fear that the threat would be carried out”.
Massey is scheduled to be sentenced on 21 March at Ipswich magistrates court for the offences under the 2023 Online Safety Act." [Post edited 27 Feb 2024 20:47]
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| If it walks like a duck etc… on 21:22 - Feb 27 with 1552 views | GlasgowBlue |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 17:23 - Feb 27 by Herbivore |
Yes, it would be very unfair to suggest that you've not called out racism in both the Tories and the Labour Party. The same can't necessarily be said about others, on both 'sides' (depressing that 'sides' exist when it comes to racism to be honest). |
Also worth noting that Labour do not have a monopoly on antisemitism in British politics, and I'll call it out and condemn it wherever it comes from. And have done.
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| If it walks like a duck etc… on 21:37 - Feb 27 with 1532 views | GlasgowBlue |
Well said Iain Dale. You won't find a more true blue than Iain, but he's reached the point I did seven years ago.
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| If it walks like a duck etc… on 21:51 - Feb 27 with 1496 views | N2_Blue |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 16:27 - Feb 27 by GlasgowBlue |
And did you call out antisemitism when it was endemic in the Labour party and they were found guilty of discrimination against their Jewish members by the EHRC?
Genuine question. Because if not, then aren't you equally guilty of what you are condemning the Tories for doing? |
I call out any racist behaviour irrespective of political allegiance.
I don’t like your suggestion that I don’t either.
And I’m not interested in engaging with you over this topic because you are impossible to debate with and get your ‘swerve’ nickname for good reason. |  |
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| If it walks like a duck etc… on 21:52 - Feb 27 with 1497 views | DJR |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 21:37 - Feb 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Well said Iain Dale. You won't find a more true blue than Iain, but he's reached the point I did seven years ago.
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I don't often agree with Iain Dale when it comes to politics, but he is a thoughtful and polite presenter (unlike, say, James O'Brien), and not someone who blindly follows the Tory line.
I listened to his programme this evening between 7-8pm where some Muslim callers made some excellent and very profound contributions.
They were clearly pushing at an open door, and if you have the Global app, it is well worth listening to, if you fast forward those incoherently defending what Anderson said. [Post edited 27 Feb 2024 21:54]
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| If it walks like a duck etc… on 21:55 - Feb 27 with 1473 views | N2_Blue |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 16:56 - Feb 27 by leitrimblue |
It's quite interesting that you have all these white middle class life long Torie supporting men that suddenly declared themselves to be the spokespersons for anti racism even though they had never experienced racism in their life.
These same people became experts at pointing out antisemitism when ever it reared its ugly head ( and even sometimes when it didn't ) . But completely failed to see the rampant Islamophobia in their own party.
These so called anti racists also fail to see apartheid in the far right apartheid state of Isreal.
( obviously apartheid as never been something Tories have been good at condemning, having stood next to young Conservatives wearing their hang Nelson Mandela t shirts in the 80,s)
There excellent at spotting antisemitism but fail to see Islamophobia, now why would that be?
Antisemitism, Islamophobia, abuse or harassment of any kind is not acceptable ( why some people would find this FULL CAPITAL LETTER offensive I don't understand)
Is it possible that they were just using antisemitism as a stick to beat Labour with and have very little genuine concern about racism?
You would have to wonder.. |
You have a very good point.
And Glasgows response to it I was just as I expected. Hey ho | |
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| If it walks like a duck etc… on 22:05 - Feb 27 with 1442 views | GlasgowBlue |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 21:51 - Feb 27 by N2_Blue |
I call out any racist behaviour irrespective of political allegiance.
I don’t like your suggestion that I don’t either.
And I’m not interested in engaging with you over this topic because you are impossible to debate with and get your ‘swerve’ nickname for good reason. |
I'll take that as a no then. I wonder what a google search will bring up. My guess is sweet FA. | |
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| If it walks like a duck etc… on 22:23 - Feb 27 with 1411 views | Swansea_Blue |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 21:37 - Feb 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Well said Iain Dale. You won't find a more true blue than Iain, but he's reached the point I did seven years ago.
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It's taken a while for him, hasn't it? You've slightly bigged yourself up there as well, if you don't mind me saying. Seven years ago you were batting for the crazy batsh*t neoliberals pushing Brexit and doing your best to silence any opposition to them. But water under the bridge and all that.
We've got a problem in the UK with talk show pundits who polarise listeners into distinct camps. Dale has very much been a part of that problem, so he won't be getting any credit from me. As have his colleagues such as the disgraced Nawaz (a very complicated person who you can't pigeon hole easily in fairness, but a promoter of conspiracy theories nonetheless); someone else who was often used on here to backup claims.
It's not all one way though. On the other side you've got the likes of his colleague O'Brien who, although has many reasonable points imo, has done little to build bridges. At the end of the day for the, whichever side they push, it's all about ratings for them.
I made a conscious decision to disengage about 12 months ago and don't regret it in the least. No social media and no listening to shock jock talkshow hosts. I'm probably less 'informed' now, but given that they're setting the agenda and it's not always an important one, I can live with that. The release from the constant agro and stress is bliss though - I'd highly recommend throwing social media and 'popular' mainstream media in the bin. Not that I've replaced it with stranger internet sources or anything, I've just taken a complete break, and it's great. Liberating even. |  |
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| If it walks like a duck etc… on 22:38 - Feb 27 with 1390 views | J2BLUE |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 21:55 - Feb 27 by N2_Blue |
You have a very good point.
And Glasgows response to it I was just as I expected. Hey ho |
Absolute nonsense. You should both apologise. |  |
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| If it walks like a duck etc… on 22:51 - Feb 27 with 1350 views | GlasgowBlue |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 22:23 - Feb 27 by Swansea_Blue |
It's taken a while for him, hasn't it? You've slightly bigged yourself up there as well, if you don't mind me saying. Seven years ago you were batting for the crazy batsh*t neoliberals pushing Brexit and doing your best to silence any opposition to them. But water under the bridge and all that.
We've got a problem in the UK with talk show pundits who polarise listeners into distinct camps. Dale has very much been a part of that problem, so he won't be getting any credit from me. As have his colleagues such as the disgraced Nawaz (a very complicated person who you can't pigeon hole easily in fairness, but a promoter of conspiracy theories nonetheless); someone else who was often used on here to backup claims.
It's not all one way though. On the other side you've got the likes of his colleague O'Brien who, although has many reasonable points imo, has done little to build bridges. At the end of the day for the, whichever side they push, it's all about ratings for them.
I made a conscious decision to disengage about 12 months ago and don't regret it in the least. No social media and no listening to shock jock talkshow hosts. I'm probably less 'informed' now, but given that they're setting the agenda and it's not always an important one, I can live with that. The release from the constant agro and stress is bliss though - I'd highly recommend throwing social media and 'popular' mainstream media in the bin. Not that I've replaced it with stranger internet sources or anything, I've just taken a complete break, and it's great. Liberating even. |
I haven’t bigged myself up. I resigned from the Tory party 7 years ago after the 2017 general election.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/407526/3644183/oh-sweet-irony. [Post edited 27 Feb 2024 22:56]
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| If it walks like a duck etc… on 23:12 - Feb 27 with 1291 views | N2_Blue |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 22:38 - Feb 27 by J2BLUE |
Absolute nonsense. You should both apologise. |
You what? | |
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| If it walks like a duck etc… on 23:48 - Feb 27 with 1254 views | eireblue |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 20:47 - Feb 27 by DJR |
The Ipswich connection is very depressing.
"It also emerged on Tuesday that a man had pleaded guilty to making threats against Khan after Lee Anderson’s comments.
Christopher Massey, 52, from Ipswich, twice called the control room of Suffolk constabulary.
The Crown Prosecution Service confirmed he had pleaded guilty on Monday to two counts of sending communication threatening death or serious harm.
The threat was made on Saturday. The charge against Massey said that in the phone call to police he had “conveyed a threat of death or serious harm to another, intending or being reckless as to whether an individual encountering the message would fear that the threat would be carried out”.
Massey is scheduled to be sentenced on 21 March at Ipswich magistrates court for the offences under the 2023 Online Safety Act." [Post edited 27 Feb 2024 20:47]
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Well that set off a wierd train off thought.
Why did he call the Suffolk constabulary?
‘Scuse me officer, I need to make a death threat against Khan,…yes the London Mayor, that one, could you help me out with his number.
Yea me again, look been thinking this through, do you have an address, no just a letter, honest. |  | | |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 23:50 - Feb 27 with 1251 views | eireblue |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 21:55 - Feb 27 by N2_Blue |
You have a very good point.
And Glasgows response to it I was just as I expected. Hey ho |
He doesn’t have a very good point, he made some general comments about a certain demographic with no specific examples.
If an academic makes an assertion, for instance, all crows are black, and a white crow pops up to prove the assertion wrong, any good academic would be happy to accept that they were wrong.
Maybe he should be more specific and clarify if he was talking about specific politicians in the public domain or someone else.
Personally I didn’t recognise any poster on here based on Leitrim’s description, so if it was meant to be a description of a poster on here, it wasn’t very accurate. | | | |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 09:02 - Feb 28 with 1128 views | leitrimblue |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 17:11 - Feb 27 by GlasgowBlue |
Some people have the ability to speak out against racism no matter what side it comes from, and have been for many years.
2nd repy down.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/437729/page:1
https://www.twtd.co.uk/forum/437729/4046860/bojo-and-islamaphobia
There are plenty of other examples over the years so GTF.
I've constantly condemned the Islamophobia in the Tory party for years on here. As far back as when Baroness Warsi first raised it. I spoke out about antisemitism years before Corbyn was shamely elected as leader of the Labour party.
Are you seriously accusing somebody who has immediate family who are Jewish of "just using antisemitism as a stick to beat Labour with"? Because if that's the case you are an absolute offensive koont. My wife has Jewish blood. My kids have Jewish blood. [Post edited 28 Feb 2024 13:45]
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The idea you think you have giving equal attention to the abuse of all minorities is quite laughable.
What is less amusing is the fact you think it's quite acceptable to tell people with concerns about Islamophobia
or other forms of racism that they are only doing so as a stick to beat the tories with, without knowing their genetic, religious or cultural background. But when the same point is put to you you have a full girly hissy fit and start swearing and insulting people.
Your use of the C word on a forum accessible by children is quite poor. I can only hope you have better manners in real life when your not hiding behind your keyboard |  | | |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 10:32 - Feb 28 with 1048 views | GlasgowBlue |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 09:02 - Feb 28 by leitrimblue |
The idea you think you have giving equal attention to the abuse of all minorities is quite laughable.
What is less amusing is the fact you think it's quite acceptable to tell people with concerns about Islamophobia
or other forms of racism that they are only doing so as a stick to beat the tories with, without knowing their genetic, religious or cultural background. But when the same point is put to you you have a full girly hissy fit and start swearing and insulting people.
Your use of the C word on a forum accessible by children is quite poor. I can only hope you have better manners in real life when your not hiding behind your keyboard |
“Girly hissy fit”.
Using a gender based insult. How very progressive of you. | |
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| If it walks like a duck etc… on 10:45 - Feb 28 with 1027 views | leitrimblue |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 10:32 - Feb 28 by GlasgowBlue |
“Girly hissy fit”.
Using a gender based insult. How very progressive of you. |
Wow, managed to reply without using the C word. Things are looking up. Good work you | | | |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 11:53 - Feb 28 with 951 views | leitrimblue |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 11:24 - Feb 28 by GlasgowBlue |
Accuse me of using my wife and children’s ethnicity as a flag of connivence again and I’ll use far more industrial language than that.
Certain lines should not be crossed when it comes to other posters family. [Post edited 28 Feb 2024 11:25]
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The only person using the ethnicity of their family in order to push a narrative is yerself as you well know.
I have no doubt you are willing to use all kinds of language from behind your keyboard.. | | | |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 12:01 - Feb 28 with 931 views | eireblue |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 09:02 - Feb 28 by leitrimblue |
The idea you think you have giving equal attention to the abuse of all minorities is quite laughable.
What is less amusing is the fact you think it's quite acceptable to tell people with concerns about Islamophobia
or other forms of racism that they are only doing so as a stick to beat the tories with, without knowing their genetic, religious or cultural background. But when the same point is put to you you have a full girly hissy fit and start swearing and insulting people.
Your use of the C word on a forum accessible by children is quite poor. I can only hope you have better manners in real life when your not hiding behind your keyboard |
Did GB claim “equal attention”?
I think that is another straw man.
When it comes to children, and worrying about them, I think most I come across are reasonably proficient in the deployment and use of swear words.
Logical fallacies however, less so, personally I would be happy if a child was to use vigorous language, but were logically correct, rather than someone using fallacious logic politely expressed. | | | |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 12:12 - Feb 28 with 903 views | leitrimblue |
| If it walks like a duck etc… on 12:01 - Feb 28 by eireblue |
Did GB claim “equal attention”?
I think that is another straw man.
When it comes to children, and worrying about them, I think most I come across are reasonably proficient in the deployment and use of swear words.
Logical fallacies however, less so, personally I would be happy if a child was to use vigorous language, but were logically correct, rather than someone using fallacious logic politely expressed. |
You would be happy for young children to be exposed to the C word?
You don't find it in anyway offensive and would be happy for me to use it at you in person for example?
I find that quite unlikely | | | |
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