| Walton 13:27 - Mar 30 with 6258 views | Clutch |
What's everyone's thoughts on him for next year? Surely he will want to move on in the summer, probably to a good championship team at least. Should get a couple million for him?
So Hladky has proved himself now, no chance he won't start unless like Walton there is an injury. With Slicker as backup? Or get in an older head?
Not sure it matters what division we are in. |  | | |  |
| Walton on 22:55 - Mar 30 with 1610 views | Parky |
He’ll be let go / sold when we go up and sign Alex Palmer. |  | | |
| Walton on 22:59 - Mar 30 with 1594 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Walton on 15:47 - Mar 30 by Garv |
Any chance he might get more of a look in if we go up, ironically?
I imagine we won't play as much suicide ball in the PL and that will render Hladky less useful. I could see Walton being more important. |
"Suicide ball"? Are you one of those who screams "get rid of it" everytime we pass out from the back? |  |
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| Walton on 23:00 - Mar 30 with 1589 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Walton on 17:41 - Mar 30 by nrb1985 |
Phrased poorly I agree and we are first on merit, playing out from the back.
I think one could reasonably argue though that those lovely front to back moves started by Vaz have dried up in recent months and he has been at fault for a number of goals post Xmas.
That said, I wouldn’t advocate a change of goalie now with seven to play but not unfair to scrutinize Vaz’s drop off in form post Xmas.
If we were in the Champ again next season I’d happily wish him well for a big pay day and have Walton back in. |
Christ. | |
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| Walton on 02:23 - Mar 31 with 1530 views | vinceg |
| Walton on 13:52 - Mar 30 by _clive_baker_ |
I think that’s probably right, and while sad in some respects, almost certainly would be the right call. |
Need to remember these players though. When we get to the Prem, it's these types of players who we owe it to. JD, Aluko, Jacko, Evans, KVY, never going to be good enough to play in the Prem but players who were part of that group that helped turn the club around and start us on this journey. |  | | |
| Walton on 07:56 - Mar 31 with 1446 views | Buhrer |
| Walton on 17:41 - Mar 30 by nrb1985 |
Phrased poorly I agree and we are first on merit, playing out from the back.
I think one could reasonably argue though that those lovely front to back moves started by Vaz have dried up in recent months and he has been at fault for a number of goals post Xmas.
That said, I wouldn’t advocate a change of goalie now with seven to play but not unfair to scrutinize Vaz’s drop off in form post Xmas.
If we were in the Champ again next season I’d happily wish him well for a big pay day and have Walton back in. |
Do you need a fresh spade?
"First on merit, playing it out from the back."
Stop there. That was enough. You're clearly not able to "be fair, scrutinise, advocate, or reasonably argue". We are first. McKennaball is beautiful. It works beautifully.
Just try and enjoy the footy? |  | | |
| Walton on 13:52 - Mar 31 with 1341 views | nrb1985 |
| Walton on 07:56 - Mar 31 by Buhrer |
Do you need a fresh spade?
"First on merit, playing it out from the back."
Stop there. That was enough. You're clearly not able to "be fair, scrutinise, advocate, or reasonably argue". We are first. McKennaball is beautiful. It works beautifully.
Just try and enjoy the footy? |
What a bizarrely personal reply to a completely inoffensive post.
I hope your anger subsides in time for you to “try and enjoy the footy” tomorrow.
Happy Easter and enjoy the game tomorrow. | | | |
| Walton on 14:15 - Mar 31 with 1317 views | Buhrer |
| Walton on 13:52 - Mar 31 by nrb1985 |
What a bizarrely personal reply to a completely inoffensive post.
I hope your anger subsides in time for you to “try and enjoy the footy” tomorrow.
Happy Easter and enjoy the game tomorrow. |
More baffled than anywhere near angry. If you want to give your opinions in public, expect a response. If you find it bizarre then I guess that's how I found your post, and myopic follow up: with us playing some of the best "suicide ball" football I've ever seen, top of the league. Bizarre. I appreciate having that pointed out stings. No anger, I'm loving the football , but wtf are are you talking about?  | | | |
| Walton on 15:06 - Mar 31 with 1278 views | Vegtablue |
| Walton on 14:15 - Mar 31 by Buhrer |
More baffled than anywhere near angry. If you want to give your opinions in public, expect a response. If you find it bizarre then I guess that's how I found your post, and myopic follow up: with us playing some of the best "suicide ball" football I've ever seen, top of the league. Bizarre. I appreciate having that pointed out stings. No anger, I'm loving the football , but wtf are are you talking about? |
Garv coined the "suicide ball" phrase in fairness, while Hladky has conceded some soft goals since Christmas. He was top of Opta's goalkeeping tree at one stage with 5 saves above expectation. Now he's 14th with 1 goal prevented over the season, having lost ground in the second half of the campaign (Southampton's Bazunu is 45th on -9, to place Hladky's +1 in kinder focus). What nrb believes he's seen here is supported in the data.
I don't agree that Hladky's involvement in our back-to-front play has significantly dried up. He's put more feet wrong and we've seen less spectacular distribution probably, but he was Ederson-esque in the first few months and is still contributing well here IMO. Our TWTD camp appears pretty split down the middle on who the better keeper is overall. Personally, I feel I've seen too many soft goals from Walton to want him as our #1 again, given he isn't best suited to McKenna's style either. If Hladky were to move on, I'd be more comfortable from the outset with a new replacement, albeit chuffed if Walton then made my concerns look silly. I recognize that plenty have great confidence in his shot-stopping. | | | |
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| Walton on 15:33 - Mar 31 with 1259 views | grow_our_own |
| Walton on 15:06 - Mar 31 by Vegtablue |
Garv coined the "suicide ball" phrase in fairness, while Hladky has conceded some soft goals since Christmas. He was top of Opta's goalkeeping tree at one stage with 5 saves above expectation. Now he's 14th with 1 goal prevented over the season, having lost ground in the second half of the campaign (Southampton's Bazunu is 45th on -9, to place Hladky's +1 in kinder focus). What nrb believes he's seen here is supported in the data.
I don't agree that Hladky's involvement in our back-to-front play has significantly dried up. He's put more feet wrong and we've seen less spectacular distribution probably, but he was Ederson-esque in the first few months and is still contributing well here IMO. Our TWTD camp appears pretty split down the middle on who the better keeper is overall. Personally, I feel I've seen too many soft goals from Walton to want him as our #1 again, given he isn't best suited to McKenna's style either. If Hladky were to move on, I'd be more comfortable from the outset with a new replacement, albeit chuffed if Walton then made my concerns look silly. I recognize that plenty have great confidence in his shot-stopping. |
Nobody is undropable, and Hladky is only 19th in save percent this season - https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/leagues/48/stats/season/20721/players/_save_percent
But those Opta stats don't judge the keeper's sweeper metrics.
Walton has always been, and continues to be the better shot stopper, and was instrumental in our promotion last year. Hladky was statistically the worst keeper in L1 during his first spell for us, completely lacked bravery coming off his line, for crosses, and when diving towards his posts. I was extremely worried when Walton got injured. But Hladky this season is transformed. Even during his dodgy initial spell, it was clear he had outfield-level ball skills. Among the best I've ever seen in a keeper. Much more courageous now. When he's on form, he suits our style better, even considering he's a few percent shy of Walton's shot-saving. By my count, he's caused two goals due to bad passes. Still far outweighed by goals created, but also by avoiding conceding due to our defenders having confidence to pass back and retain possession when we'd otherwise concede throw-ins & corners. I wouldn't have been bothered if Walton had been started at one stage this season, and I still think the margin between them is fine, but Hladky continues to just edge it. [Post edited 31 Mar 2024 16:05]
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| Walton on 15:41 - Mar 31 with 1234 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Walton on 13:52 - Mar 31 by nrb1985 |
What a bizarrely personal reply to a completely inoffensive post.
I hope your anger subsides in time for you to “try and enjoy the footy” tomorrow.
Happy Easter and enjoy the game tomorrow. |
But you keep pushing this false narrative that the gols have dried up from moves starting with Vaz and that he has been at fault for several goals since Christmas.
That is utter bollox. | |
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| Walton on 15:53 - Mar 31 with 1218 views | Vegtablue |
| Walton on 15:33 - Mar 31 by grow_our_own |
Nobody is undropable, and Hladky is only 19th in save percent this season - https://www.fotmob.com/en-GB/leagues/48/stats/season/20721/players/_save_percent
But those Opta stats don't judge the keeper's sweeper metrics.
Walton has always been, and continues to be the better shot stopper, and was instrumental in our promotion last year. Hladky was statistically the worst keeper in L1 during his first spell for us, completely lacked bravery coming off his line, for crosses, and when diving towards his posts. I was extremely worried when Walton got injured. But Hladky this season is transformed. Even during his dodgy initial spell, it was clear he had outfield-level ball skills. Among the best I've ever seen in a keeper. Much more courageous now. When he's on form, he suits our style better, even considering he's a few percent shy of Walton's shot-saving. By my count, he's caused two goals due to bad passes. Still far outweighed by goals created, but also by avoiding conceding due to our defenders having confidence to pass back and retain possession when we'd otherwise concede throw-ins & corners. I wouldn't have been bothered if Walton had been started at one stage this season, and I still think the margin between them is fine, but Hladky continues to just edge it. [Post edited 31 Mar 2024 16:05]
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Thought he conceded more goals than he should have last season but respect your view (and appreciate Hladky had a shocker of a start with us, albeit I missed most of that season through being out of the country). Agree Hladky's practically an outfield player in possession.
*Save percentage doesn't measure xGOT, which is to say the performance of defenders in preventing glorious opportunities or a higher proportion of clinical strikes faced. Johansson is widely touted as one of the best shot-stoppers in the league, but is 20th for save percentage. Notably, Walton was 11th for save percentage in L1 last year with a Championship defence in front of him. [Post edited 31 Mar 2024 16:00]
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| Walton on 16:06 - Mar 31 with 1209 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Walton on 22:27 - Mar 30 by BlueForYou |
Would not surprise me if both keepers move on in the summer. |
I think a lot of people said most of our squad from last season would have to change for us to push towards promotion from the Championship. They seem to be doing OK with a few wise changes. It would not surprise me if both keepers remain but certainly would surprise me if both left. |  |
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| Walton on 16:58 - Mar 31 with 1168 views | nrb1985 |
| Walton on 15:41 - Mar 31 by GlasgowBlue |
But you keep pushing this false narrative that the gols have dried up from moves starting with Vaz and that he has been at fault for several goals since Christmas.
That is utter bollox. |
In my view he has absolutely been at fault for a number of goals since Xmas. I’m not alone in that and it has been debated on here, KoA and BM in the last months.
Your view is that it’s a false narrative.
As per my last post, regardless of anyone’s view, it was a bit of an OTT reply and border line personal.
No problem with debate or disagreement I just don’t think it’s nice to two foot someone who has made a fairly uncontroversial post re an opinion that’s reflected by a number of other people as well. | | | |
| Walton on 20:40 - Mar 31 with 1119 views | ibbleobble |
| Walton on 16:58 - Mar 31 by nrb1985 |
In my view he has absolutely been at fault for a number of goals since Xmas. I’m not alone in that and it has been debated on here, KoA and BM in the last months.
Your view is that it’s a false narrative.
As per my last post, regardless of anyone’s view, it was a bit of an OTT reply and border line personal.
No problem with debate or disagreement I just don’t think it’s nice to two foot someone who has made a fairly uncontroversial post re an opinion that’s reflected by a number of other people as well. |
I agree with you. Hladky has had a great season but I’ll stand by what I said pre-season in August that Walton is a better keeper. Hladky deserves to keep his place and has been instrumental in our success but Walton has been exceptionally unlucky after excelling. He’ll be back he leaves, at least I hope so. Always felt more assured with him in goal. | | | |
| Walton on 21:40 - Mar 31 with 1076 views | backwaywhen |
| Walton on 17:55 - Mar 30 by tonybied |
We scored one of those lovely front to back goals against Sheffield Wednesday didn't we? |
Hull the best one ……class goal. | | | |
| Walton on 20:28 - Apr 1 with 945 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Walton on 16:58 - Mar 31 by nrb1985 |
In my view he has absolutely been at fault for a number of goals since Xmas. I’m not alone in that and it has been debated on here, KoA and BM in the last months.
Your view is that it’s a false narrative.
As per my last post, regardless of anyone’s view, it was a bit of an OTT reply and border line personal.
No problem with debate or disagreement I just don’t think it’s nice to two foot someone who has made a fairly uncontroversial post re an opinion that’s reflected by a number of other people as well. |
Big shout out to Vas. 2 big saves when we were 2-1 down. | |
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| Walton on 20:29 - Apr 1 with 932 views | tcblue |
| Walton on 20:28 - Apr 1 by GlasgowBlue |
Big shout out to Vas. 2 big saves when we were 2-1 down. |
He was spectacular today | | | |
| Walton on 20:37 - Apr 1 with 901 views | Nutkins_Return |
| Walton on 20:28 - Apr 1 by GlasgowBlue |
Big shout out to Vas. 2 big saves when we were 2-1 down. |
Thought Hladky had a good game today. If he good consistently do the traditional goalkeeping part really well he could play top level. He makes quite a few strange decisions/errors in the course of a season but he's added a lot to our football as well.
For me Walton is the better all around keeper but Hladky has earned every minute. | |
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| Walton on 20:38 - Apr 1 with 890 views | ArnieM |
| Walton on 13:34 - Mar 30 by Cheltenham_Blue |
I think one of them, (Hladky or Walton) will move on, Slicker has proved himself a more than capable back up. But I do think that it'll be Hladky that moves on, especially if we go up.
In fact, of the players out of contract in the summer, that we don't have options on, I would expect most to leave if we go up, with the exception of Morsy. |
I think it’ll be Walton becysse he’s not as good with the ball to feet. Which is how we play it out from the back. I said when Hldaky got in the side that I half expected him to leave … and as usual got blown out of the water by done in here. I think Town have progressed so much that’s his style of keeping doesn’t now fit with our approach. Don’t get me wrong he’s a really good keeper but not he fits our profile now. We’ll see …. Oh , Hull have equaliser 👍 |  |
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| Walton on 20:40 - Apr 1 with 885 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Walton on 20:37 - Apr 1 by Nutkins_Return |
Thought Hladky had a good game today. If he good consistently do the traditional goalkeeping part really well he could play top level. He makes quite a few strange decisions/errors in the course of a season but he's added a lot to our football as well.
For me Walton is the better all around keeper but Hladky has earned every minute. |
I think they are 50/50 on shot stopping. Vas is better with his feet and Walton commands the box better.
I'm struggling to think of many goals we have conceded where Vas has stayed on his line but I know we've scored plenty from his build up play. So I thik he is ahead of Walton by some distance. | |
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