| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting 01:08 - May 21 with 13151 views | The_Romford_Blue |
https://www.northstandchat.com/threads/kieran-mckenna.408004/
Couple of comments on page 1 are somewhat eyebrow raising:
‘Is this a joke thread? From an elite manager who essentially joined us from a Champions League club, to one who has never even managed in a top division anywhere? I think not.’
‘It's just a fact, we're a much bigger club than Ipswich, just like Chelsea are a much bigger club than us.’
Brighton are likely a more attractive club right now for sure but I’m not having it that they’re ’a much bigger club’ at all. And to be fair plenty of their fans were quick to say that we are bigger than Brighton. Which we are imo. Thoughts? [Post edited 21 May 2024 1:10]
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| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 01:11 - May 21 with 8369 views | Horsham |
My thoughts are that honestly I’m awake because of this!
But not having for a second that Brighton are bigger than us. Better equipped and more attractive now yes, but they don’t have damn thing that we cannot have if we’re smart and continue to invest. |  | | |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 01:28 - May 21 with 8281 views | J2BLUE |
Much bigger club hahahahahaha
Norwich level delusion. |  |
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| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 01:28 - May 21 with 8286 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
The whole business of which club is bigger is nonsense.
Each set of supporters uses those criteria which best suit their argument. Our lot are forever quoting our history even though we have won nothing major for 42 years. And by the 'history' criterion we are roughly on a level with Huddersfield, Burnley and Preston.
If you take 'recent performance' as your criterion then once you've decided what 'recent' means then you'll have to concede that Brighton, Norwich, Brentford and Bournemouth are all bigger than us.
Some people think that ground size matters. That would make us smaller than Brighton and Queens Park.
Size makes no difference to our league position. Size really doesn't matter. |  |
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| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 01:41 - May 21 with 8225 views | Europablue |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 01:28 - May 21 by Tangledupin_Blue |
The whole business of which club is bigger is nonsense.
Each set of supporters uses those criteria which best suit their argument. Our lot are forever quoting our history even though we have won nothing major for 42 years. And by the 'history' criterion we are roughly on a level with Huddersfield, Burnley and Preston.
If you take 'recent performance' as your criterion then once you've decided what 'recent' means then you'll have to concede that Brighton, Norwich, Brentford and Bournemouth are all bigger than us.
Some people think that ground size matters. That would make us smaller than Brighton and Queens Park.
Size makes no difference to our league position. Size really doesn't matter. |
Size does matter, because it dictates revenue to a certain extent, which will make a material difference. It doesn't make all the difference, but it does give you an extra edge. |  | | |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 02:04 - May 21 with 8172 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 01:28 - May 21 by Tangledupin_Blue |
The whole business of which club is bigger is nonsense.
Each set of supporters uses those criteria which best suit their argument. Our lot are forever quoting our history even though we have won nothing major for 42 years. And by the 'history' criterion we are roughly on a level with Huddersfield, Burnley and Preston.
If you take 'recent performance' as your criterion then once you've decided what 'recent' means then you'll have to concede that Brighton, Norwich, Brentford and Bournemouth are all bigger than us.
Some people think that ground size matters. That would make us smaller than Brighton and Queens Park.
Size makes no difference to our league position. Size really doesn't matter. |
You’ve said a lot of nonsense here bud imo.
For a start, your thing about ground size makes little sense as brightons stadium is virtually the same as us and QPRs is 11,000 less. And our actual attendance this year is a higher average than Brighton anyway. | |
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| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 04:50 - May 21 with 7964 views | nodge_blue |
Brighton are a much smaller club than us. They just currently have a better team. |  |
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| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 06:02 - May 21 with 7759 views | Thundermuffin86 |
Success depends more on current performance and smart investments than size or history; Brighton's doing well now because they're well-managed. | | | |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 06:13 - May 21 with 7678 views | iamatractorboy |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 02:04 - May 21 by The_Romford_Blue |
You’ve said a lot of nonsense here bud imo.
For a start, your thing about ground size makes little sense as brightons stadium is virtually the same as us and QPRs is 11,000 less. And our actual attendance this year is a higher average than Brighton anyway. |
I think they meant Queens Park, who play at Hampden. | | | |
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| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 06:14 - May 21 with 7661 views | Churchman |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 02:04 - May 21 by The_Romford_Blue |
You’ve said a lot of nonsense here bud imo.
For a start, your thing about ground size makes little sense as brightons stadium is virtually the same as us and QPRs is 11,000 less. And our actual attendance this year is a higher average than Brighton anyway. |
The Amex Stadium holds about 2000 more people. Queens Park use Hampden which holds 51k. A better example to make the point would have been MK Dons whose stadium holds 1000 more than PR.
I honestly dont know what you base club size on. Potential, existing support, trophies (for Norwich supporters they’re silver pots and shields you win and keep in a dusty cabinet), reputation, wealth, income? Perhaps there is a weighting system out there that provides a definite answer.
Having looked through the Brighton thread, comments look pretty balanced. In other words a spread of the usual divs all the way to good sense.
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| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 06:28 - May 21 with 7544 views | WestStanderLaLaLa |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 02:04 - May 21 by The_Romford_Blue |
You’ve said a lot of nonsense here bud imo.
For a start, your thing about ground size makes little sense as brightons stadium is virtually the same as us and QPRs is 11,000 less. And our actual attendance this year is a higher average than Brighton anyway. |
Brighton’s average attendance was higher than ours. |  |
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| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 06:52 - May 21 with 7327 views | thebooks |
There are also a lot of comments that are really complementary about us, saying they don’t understand why he‘d jump ship now, how well run we are, what a good thing we have going etc.
I was (pleasantly) surprised by this, and the notion that it wouldn’t be a good idea for him. It’s not just us that feel this.
Most seemed to also think it’d be a good fit for them… |  | | |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 07:08 - May 21 with 7159 views | NthQldITFC |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 04:50 - May 21 by nodge_blue |
Brighton are a much smaller club than us. They just currently have a better team. |
Brighton are a smaller club than us who are currently bigger than us if you look from over there. If you look from over here, they are a bigger club than us who are getting smaller more quickly than we are getting bigger, and if you asked me yesterday they are a smaller big club than all those other big small clubs which are over there, but are in no way bigger than the small clubs which were over here yesterday but which may be over there tomorrow.
And that's definitive. |  |
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| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 07:20 - May 21 with 7053 views | baha |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 06:52 - May 21 by thebooks |
There are also a lot of comments that are really complementary about us, saying they don’t understand why he‘d jump ship now, how well run we are, what a good thing we have going etc.
I was (pleasantly) surprised by this, and the notion that it wouldn’t be a good idea for him. It’s not just us that feel this.
Most seemed to also think it’d be a good fit for them… |
Brighton supporter here. I certainly don't understand why he would jump ship now. He's got your club to the The Premier League, so it makes sense to see the project through. There is also a lot of expectation here now, so any manager who comes in now has a lot of weight on their shoulders.
I hope your club invests in some players, because as you have seen the three that got promoted have gone straight back down again. It doesn't matter how big your club is in the way of history, attendance, you need somebody with deep pockets, or a decent system in place where you can get top quality players in at a good price. [Post edited 21 May 2024 7:26]
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| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 07:48 - May 21 with 6762 views | thebooks |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 07:20 - May 21 by baha |
Brighton supporter here. I certainly don't understand why he would jump ship now. He's got your club to the The Premier League, so it makes sense to see the project through. There is also a lot of expectation here now, so any manager who comes in now has a lot of weight on their shoulders.
I hope your club invests in some players, because as you have seen the three that got promoted have gone straight back down again. It doesn't matter how big your club is in the way of history, attendance, you need somebody with deep pockets, or a decent system in place where you can get top quality players in at a good price. [Post edited 21 May 2024 7:26]
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Ta. I’d like to belive that was the thinking.
But… the combination of the Barber link and the Brighton set up makes quite a lot of sense for KM. You’re a pretty stable PL team, well run and recruit excellently. He’s very much a modern manager — he fits in well with the business side of things.
We’re high risk next season, as we were this season. We could build on the McKenna momentum and do OK, but that‘s going to be even more difficult.
KM is (rightly) ambitious. Brighton would be a good stepping stone to the Man U job or similar. I‘m sure there is pressure, but not as much as at one of the giants. And KM really deals with pressure well.
More sad than anything. It’s been such a great two years — managing us in the PL would have been the right ending to the story.
He’d do a great job for you. | | | |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 07:59 - May 21 with 6602 views | Herbivore |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 07:20 - May 21 by baha |
Brighton supporter here. I certainly don't understand why he would jump ship now. He's got your club to the The Premier League, so it makes sense to see the project through. There is also a lot of expectation here now, so any manager who comes in now has a lot of weight on their shoulders.
I hope your club invests in some players, because as you have seen the three that got promoted have gone straight back down again. It doesn't matter how big your club is in the way of history, attendance, you need somebody with deep pockets, or a decent system in place where you can get top quality players in at a good price. [Post edited 21 May 2024 7:26]
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You're an established Prem side now with the kind of set up McKenna would fit right into. I've seen some of our fans saying that you've hit your ceiling as a side but McKenna won't see it that way, he'll have seen the likes of Villa and Newcastle gatecrash the top 4 in recent years and he'll fancy himself to give that a good go. Yes, those clubs are historically bigger clubs but recent performances place them in a similar bracket to Brighton.
I am very much on the fence as to how this will play out. I'm not daft enough to believe it's not a tempting proposition for him, of course it is. It's a logical stepping stone to a genuine top job at somewhere like United if he comes in and pushes you into the top 6 and he'd absolutely back himself to do so. Staying with us is a risk as we're ahead of schedule and whilst I don't buy that our squad is a League 1 squad (it was better than at least half the Championship when we were in League 1, imo) we haven't had a year of consolidation in the Championship to develop the squad further. There's a fair bit to do to give us a good chance of staying up. A relegation potentially tarnishes his reputation but staying up puts him in a good position for a bigger job should he wish to then jump ship. There will be a pull towards wanting to continue the project here and there's a lot to be said for stability, but he will be very tempted to see what he can achieve at a side that is currently better poised to flourish rather than just survive in the Prem. [Post edited 21 May 2024 8:19]
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| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 08:02 - May 21 with 6536 views | Metal_Hacker |
If McKenna goes considering how Bloom runs the club in terms of player purchases I’d be very surprised
Bloom/Brighton have their ways which are quite regimented by all accounts and not super flexible in approach
Not sure this would suit Kieran - I think he knows best and I think he knows a player without leaving that up to the owner
He’s staying ….for now |  |
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| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 08:26 - May 21 with 6274 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 01:41 - May 21 by Europablue |
Size does matter, because it dictates revenue to a certain extent, which will make a material difference. It doesn't make all the difference, but it does give you an extra edge. |
So, using your argument that size goes some way to determining revenue, let us look at revenue over recent years...
Bournemouth, Brighton, Brentford, Norwich have had much greater revenue than us for a while. Presumably, in order for that to happen, they must be bigger than us? | |
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| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 08:27 - May 21 with 6255 views | baha |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 08:02 - May 21 by Metal_Hacker |
If McKenna goes considering how Bloom runs the club in terms of player purchases I’d be very surprised
Bloom/Brighton have their ways which are quite regimented by all accounts and not super flexible in approach
Not sure this would suit Kieran - I think he knows best and I think he knows a player without leaving that up to the owner
He’s staying ….for now |
You are correct, we do have a system and a way of doing things. My own point of view is that I hope he stays with you, and sees the project through. Until I see him at a press conference with Barber and Bloom at the table he's staying with you. | | | |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 08:34 - May 21 with 6090 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 02:04 - May 21 by The_Romford_Blue |
You’ve said a lot of nonsense here bud imo.
For a start, your thing about ground size makes little sense as brightons stadium is virtually the same as us and QPRs is 11,000 less. And our actual attendance this year is a higher average than Brighton anyway. |
Brighton's average crowds this season have been roughly 10% more than ours.
And Queen's Park... not QPR. [Post edited 21 May 2024 8:43]
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| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 08:48 - May 21 with 5879 views | The_Romford_Blue |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 08:34 - May 21 by Tangledupin_Blue |
Brighton's average crowds this season have been roughly 10% more than ours.
And Queen's Park... not QPR. [Post edited 21 May 2024 8:43]
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Fair play about Queens Park. I just assumed you meant rangers. My apologies.
I still don’t believe Brighton are bigger than us. I’d say it’s about the same. The ‘we are far bigger than them’ from that Brighton fan was my original point that they patently is not true. | |
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| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 08:54 - May 21 with 5806 views | Europablue |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 07:08 - May 21 by NthQldITFC |
Brighton are a smaller club than us who are currently bigger than us if you look from over there. If you look from over here, they are a bigger club than us who are getting smaller more quickly than we are getting bigger, and if you asked me yesterday they are a smaller big club than all those other big small clubs which are over there, but are in no way bigger than the small clubs which were over here yesterday but which may be over there tomorrow.
And that's definitive. |
Thems some big words there! | | | |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 08:54 - May 21 with 5797 views | Herbivore |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 08:48 - May 21 by The_Romford_Blue |
Fair play about Queens Park. I just assumed you meant rangers. My apologies.
I still don’t believe Brighton are bigger than us. I’d say it’s about the same. The ‘we are far bigger than them’ from that Brighton fan was my original point that they patently is not true. |
Size of club has always been rather subjective once you go beyond the handful of elite clubs who consistently maintain large followings and compete for trophies year on and year out over a prolonged period. Any fan under 30 who doesn't follow Town would likely tell you Brighton are a bigger club. We've had two years out of the last quarter of a century where we've been in the top flight and we've spent some of that time in League 1. Brighton are an established Prem side who have been in Europe. Older fans will remember the SBR and SAR years and will note that historically we are a bigger club than Brighton but even then you'd have to caveat that with them being far more successful than us in recent years. | |
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| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 08:54 - May 21 with 5802 views | nodge_blue |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 07:08 - May 21 by NthQldITFC |
Brighton are a smaller club than us who are currently bigger than us if you look from over there. If you look from over here, they are a bigger club than us who are getting smaller more quickly than we are getting bigger, and if you asked me yesterday they are a smaller big club than all those other big small clubs which are over there, but are in no way bigger than the small clubs which were over here yesterday but which may be over there tomorrow.
And that's definitive. |
Tomorrow is only a short time away and who wants to walk to over there to find that the sun has come up behind them, whilst theyve walked into the dusk of the fading sun. And then turn around to look over their shoulder and wish they had never set off from their friends.
It called doing the Lambert walk.....i thank you. [Post edited 21 May 2024 9:06]
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| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 08:58 - May 21 with 5732 views | nodge_blue |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 07:59 - May 21 by Herbivore |
You're an established Prem side now with the kind of set up McKenna would fit right into. I've seen some of our fans saying that you've hit your ceiling as a side but McKenna won't see it that way, he'll have seen the likes of Villa and Newcastle gatecrash the top 4 in recent years and he'll fancy himself to give that a good go. Yes, those clubs are historically bigger clubs but recent performances place them in a similar bracket to Brighton.
I am very much on the fence as to how this will play out. I'm not daft enough to believe it's not a tempting proposition for him, of course it is. It's a logical stepping stone to a genuine top job at somewhere like United if he comes in and pushes you into the top 6 and he'd absolutely back himself to do so. Staying with us is a risk as we're ahead of schedule and whilst I don't buy that our squad is a League 1 squad (it was better than at least half the Championship when we were in League 1, imo) we haven't had a year of consolidation in the Championship to develop the squad further. There's a fair bit to do to give us a good chance of staying up. A relegation potentially tarnishes his reputation but staying up puts him in a good position for a bigger job should he wish to then jump ship. There will be a pull towards wanting to continue the project here and there's a lot to be said for stability, but he will be very tempted to see what he can achieve at a side that is currently better poised to flourish rather than just survive in the Prem. [Post edited 21 May 2024 8:19]
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Herbie...enough of this rational bs. F@@k Brighton.Mckenna can only keep them status quo. No chance they will get top 4.
He will get more kudos establishing us.
Im still more worried about Man U or Chelsea and i think Brighton are only trying to steal a march. | |
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| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 09:00 - May 21 with 5682 views | Europablue |
| Brighton thread about McKenna is interesting on 08:26 - May 21 by Tangledupin_Blue |
So, using your argument that size goes some way to determining revenue, let us look at revenue over recent years...
Bournemouth, Brighton, Brentford, Norwich have had much greater revenue than us for a while. Presumably, in order for that to happen, they must be bigger than us? |
You took my "argument that size goes some way to determining revenue", which is vague statement to make a definitive argument that is a misrepresentation of what I said. | | | |
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