| Labour even leading... 21:59 - Jun 12 with 4630 views | baxterbasics |
among *Daily Mail* readers.
Make of that what you will
(Yes I know - Reform split partially responsible here, but still...) |  |
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| Labour even leading... on 22:10 - Jun 12 with 3816 views | Lord_Lucan |
I have been stunned today re voting intentions.
During Covid I started to visit the old bat next door to see if she wanted any provisions. Unfortunately it has now turned into a weekly 45 min snooze fest chit chat visit.
Conversation can be a bit difficult but I had a great conversation starter today as I have a burnt foot. I told her about this and she advised me that there was no use going to the doctors because all the illegal small boat people have made it impossible.
Further into the conversation she revealed that for the first time in her life she can't vote Conservative.
Rishi - If you have lost Betty from number 4 then you are screwed baby! |  |
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| Labour even leading... on 22:16 - Jun 12 with 3778 views | WeWereZombies |
They just want to be on the side that's winning.
(I wish that for just one time...) |  |
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| Labour even leading... on 22:17 - Jun 12 with 3765 views | lowhouseblue |
if starmer had any principles he'd make it clear that he didn't want any votes from daily mail readers. [Post edited 12 Jun 2024 22:34]
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| Labour even leading... on 22:36 - Jun 12 with 3670 views | baxterbasics |
| Labour even leading... on 22:17 - Jun 12 by lowhouseblue |
if starmer had any principles he'd make it clear that he didn't want any votes from daily mail readers. [Post edited 12 Jun 2024 22:34]
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Unsure if serious... | |
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| Labour even leading... on 22:43 - Jun 12 with 3610 views | Dubtractor |
| Labour even leading... on 22:36 - Jun 12 by baxterbasics |
Unsure if serious... |
It's a (reasonably amusing) dig at the Corbyn wing of the party. |  |
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| Labour even leading... on 23:25 - Jun 12 with 3494 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour even leading... on 22:43 - Jun 12 by Dubtractor |
It's a (reasonably amusing) dig at the Corbyn wing of the party. |
It's doubly funny because Lowehouse has spent most of the last 10 ten years claiming to be left wing whilst defending all sorts of Tory awfulness at every turn and occasionally appearing to be parroting Daily Mail editorials. [Post edited 12 Jun 2024 23:26]
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| Labour even leading... on 23:39 - Jun 12 with 3453 views | Rocky |
| Labour even leading... on 23:25 - Jun 12 by BlueBadger |
It's doubly funny because Lowehouse has spent most of the last 10 ten years claiming to be left wing whilst defending all sorts of Tory awfulness at every turn and occasionally appearing to be parroting Daily Mail editorials. [Post edited 12 Jun 2024 23:26]
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That's just untrue, Badgers. He has an individualistic and distinctive voice on here - and doesn't align himself to any particular version of party political "truth". |  | | |
| Labour even leading... on 23:41 - Jun 12 with 3448 views | J2BLUE |
| Labour even leading... on 23:39 - Jun 12 by Rocky |
That's just untrue, Badgers. He has an individualistic and distinctive voice on here - and doesn't align himself to any particular version of party political "truth". |
Agree. He wasn't a Corbyn fanboy so he must be a Tory. [Post edited 12 Jun 2024 23:47]
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| Labour even leading... on 23:43 - Jun 12 with 3439 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour even leading... on 23:39 - Jun 12 by Rocky |
That's just untrue, Badgers. He has an individualistic and distinctive voice on here - and doesn't align himself to any particular version of party political "truth". |
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| Labour even leading... on 23:44 - Jun 12 with 3441 views | BlueBadger |
| Labour even leading... on 23:41 - Jun 12 by J2BLUE |
Agree. He wasn't a Corbyn fanboy so he must be a Tory. [Post edited 12 Jun 2024 23:47]
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Speaking someone who's spent a lot of time taking the piss out of the Dear Leader, LOL [Post edited 12 Jun 2024 23:45]
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| Labour even leading... on 03:01 - Jun 13 with 3306 views | quirkie |
Labour are going to win by what I suspect a record landslide.
The question is then, how long will it be before Labour tear themselves apart after their victory?
The hard left Labour, aka Momentum and Corbynistas ain't going to accept Starmer for more than 12 months and then all hell will break lose.
The Tories will be back in power in 5 years. Sad I know but there you go. |  |
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| Labour even leading... on 06:45 - Jun 13 with 3184 views | Zapers |
| Labour even leading... on 23:44 - Jun 12 by BlueBadger |
Speaking someone who's spent a lot of time taking the piss out of the Dear Leader, LOL [Post edited 12 Jun 2024 23:45]
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I strongly suspect you’re a closet corbyn fan boy. |  | | |
| Labour even leading... on 07:12 - Jun 13 with 3150 views | itfcjoe |
They lead healthily on GB News viewers too - they basically lead everywhere bar over 70s by however you measure it….bar maybe amongst Tory members but even then I’m not sure on that one….! |  |
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| Labour even leading... on 07:50 - Jun 13 with 3069 views | NthQldITFC |
| Labour even leading... on 07:12 - Jun 13 by itfcjoe |
They lead healthily on GB News viewers too - they basically lead everywhere bar over 70s by however you measure it….bar maybe amongst Tory members but even then I’m not sure on that one….! |
Sunak is a floater too, I believe. |  |
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| Labour even leading... on 07:58 - Jun 13 with 3047 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour even leading... on 23:25 - Jun 12 by BlueBadger |
It's doubly funny because Lowehouse has spent most of the last 10 ten years claiming to be left wing whilst defending all sorts of Tory awfulness at every turn and occasionally appearing to be parroting Daily Mail editorials. [Post edited 12 Jun 2024 23:26]
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Well that’s nonsense. He’s Labour but not tribal and calls out silliness. |  |
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| Labour even leading... on 08:04 - Jun 13 with 3035 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labour even leading... on 06:45 - Jun 13 by Zapers |
I strongly suspect you’re a closet corbyn fan boy. |
And that’s not true either. Badger called out Corbyn on antisemitism when few did.
Lowhouse isn’t a Tory. Badger isn’t a Corbyn fanboy. | |
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| Labour even leading... on 08:13 - Jun 13 with 3006 views | Zapers |
| Labour even leading... on 08:04 - Jun 13 by GlasgowBlue |
And that’s not true either. Badger called out Corbyn on antisemitism when few did.
Lowhouse isn’t a Tory. Badger isn’t a Corbyn fanboy. |
Ok, fair enough, but I fully agree with what you say about Lowhouse.
Personally I always find you and Lowhouse very even handed and realistic in your observations regarding politics. | | | |
| Labour even leading... on 09:12 - Jun 13 with 2920 views | JimmyJazz |
| Labour even leading... on 03:01 - Jun 13 by quirkie |
Labour are going to win by what I suspect a record landslide.
The question is then, how long will it be before Labour tear themselves apart after their victory?
The hard left Labour, aka Momentum and Corbynistas ain't going to accept Starmer for more than 12 months and then all hell will break lose.
The Tories will be back in power in 5 years. Sad I know but there you go. |
And that's the rub, the Tories can be in power for 10+ years making a complete mess of things until eventually Labour put together a reasonable enough candidate / campaign to get rid of them. But Labour have a much shorter shelf life of things not improving before they get instantly replaced. |  |
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| Labour even leading... on 09:17 - Jun 13 with 2890 views | bluejacko |
That’s the troubling reality of today, any political discussion always ends with name calling and accusations of this and that. | | | |
| Labour even leading... on 09:21 - Jun 13 with 2871 views | lowhouseblue |
| Labour even leading... on 03:01 - Jun 13 by quirkie |
Labour are going to win by what I suspect a record landslide.
The question is then, how long will it be before Labour tear themselves apart after their victory?
The hard left Labour, aka Momentum and Corbynistas ain't going to accept Starmer for more than 12 months and then all hell will break lose.
The Tories will be back in power in 5 years. Sad I know but there you go. |
why do you think the party has gone to such lengths to vet candidates? as a result even with 400+ labour mps the internal opposition is going to be very small. you're going to see a very united and focused parliamentary party (for almost the first time in history). the challenge will be that he then has lots of good people with no chance of promotion and at some point boredom may set in - but hopefully not in the first term. | |
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| Labour even leading... on 09:32 - Jun 13 with 2837 views | lowhouseblue |
| Labour even leading... on 23:25 - Jun 12 by BlueBadger |
It's doubly funny because Lowehouse has spent most of the last 10 ten years claiming to be left wing whilst defending all sorts of Tory awfulness at every turn and occasionally appearing to be parroting Daily Mail editorials. [Post edited 12 Jun 2024 23:26]
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i'm solidly and comfortably somewhere in the centre of the labour party. do i think everything ever said by a tory is wrong? no. do i think everything ever written in the daily mail is wrong? no. to be honest, i'm much more worried when people claim that topics or ideas are off the agenda and that to entertain them is an act of tribunal disloyalty. plus experience suggests that people with closed minds and a fixed dogma always lose elections - their dogma is always too narrow to encompass the experience of voters. so, sucks boo to you. [Post edited 13 Jun 2024 9:36]
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| Labour even leading... on 09:32 - Jun 13 with 2833 views | Guthrum |
| Labour even leading... on 03:01 - Jun 13 by quirkie |
Labour are going to win by what I suspect a record landslide.
The question is then, how long will it be before Labour tear themselves apart after their victory?
The hard left Labour, aka Momentum and Corbynistas ain't going to accept Starmer for more than 12 months and then all hell will break lose.
The Tories will be back in power in 5 years. Sad I know but there you go. |
I don't think it will be anywhere near that soon.
For one thing, the Corbyn/Momentum wing of Labour has been thoroughly squashed and sidelined. The vast majority of new MPs will have been selected by the Starmerite faction, giving them an overbearing weight in the parliamentary party. One which I doubt will be overthrown in the lifetime of the next government.
Secondly, far more than Labour, the Conservatives will be wildly tearing themselves apart for at least a couple of years after losing power. Even without plots for a coup by, or merger with, Reform. They'll also have far fewer MPs to choose good leadership from.
Plus few governments last only a single term. Heath's Conservatives are the last one to do it under normal circumstances. 2010-15 was a coalition from which one partner took sole power, 1974-79 included a change of leader and a very serious economic/financial/political crisis. The electorate generally takes at least a decade to get really fed up with the administration in power.
Two terms at least for Labour, unless there is some major disaster. |  |
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| Labour even leading... on 09:46 - Jun 13 with 2765 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Labour even leading... on 09:32 - Jun 13 by Guthrum |
I don't think it will be anywhere near that soon.
For one thing, the Corbyn/Momentum wing of Labour has been thoroughly squashed and sidelined. The vast majority of new MPs will have been selected by the Starmerite faction, giving them an overbearing weight in the parliamentary party. One which I doubt will be overthrown in the lifetime of the next government.
Secondly, far more than Labour, the Conservatives will be wildly tearing themselves apart for at least a couple of years after losing power. Even without plots for a coup by, or merger with, Reform. They'll also have far fewer MPs to choose good leadership from.
Plus few governments last only a single term. Heath's Conservatives are the last one to do it under normal circumstances. 2010-15 was a coalition from which one partner took sole power, 1974-79 included a change of leader and a very serious economic/financial/political crisis. The electorate generally takes at least a decade to get really fed up with the administration in power.
Two terms at least for Labour, unless there is some major disaster. |
One of the problems we have IMHO is that it usually takes one term to clear up the mess that the last lot left behind and for that reason there is an argument for increasing the length of a term, the problem though quite obviously is that it could seriously backfire.
I would imagine they will get two terms but who knows, I clearly remember after the Boris landslide that people were writing Labour off for at least two terms. | |
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| Labour even leading... on 10:01 - Jun 13 with 2703 views | Guthrum |
| Labour even leading... on 09:46 - Jun 13 by Lord_Lucan |
One of the problems we have IMHO is that it usually takes one term to clear up the mess that the last lot left behind and for that reason there is an argument for increasing the length of a term, the problem though quite obviously is that it could seriously backfire.
I would imagine they will get two terms but who knows, I clearly remember after the Boris landslide that people were writing Labour off for at least two terms. |
Indeed. I think voters tend to give credit for that, too. Quite apart from the government reminding us repeatedly of the fact as their first election looms - and sometimes far beyond.
The thing about 2019 being that it wasn't the first election of the Conservative tenure. They'd already been in power since 2015 (2010 if you include the Coalition, which they dominated). Also, there was the specific issue of Brexit and the deadlock it caused in Parliament. A factor which was ignored by many commentators, then and since. That, far more than the inherent virtues of Boris Johnson or the Conservative Party, guided the outcome. Plus they have had two leadership changes since, one of which was a humiliating disaster lasting only a matter of weeks - it's broken the continuity of that landslide. | |
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| Labour even leading... on 13:13 - Jun 13 with 2534 views | baxterbasics |
| Labour even leading... on 09:32 - Jun 13 by Guthrum |
I don't think it will be anywhere near that soon.
For one thing, the Corbyn/Momentum wing of Labour has been thoroughly squashed and sidelined. The vast majority of new MPs will have been selected by the Starmerite faction, giving them an overbearing weight in the parliamentary party. One which I doubt will be overthrown in the lifetime of the next government.
Secondly, far more than Labour, the Conservatives will be wildly tearing themselves apart for at least a couple of years after losing power. Even without plots for a coup by, or merger with, Reform. They'll also have far fewer MPs to choose good leadership from.
Plus few governments last only a single term. Heath's Conservatives are the last one to do it under normal circumstances. 2010-15 was a coalition from which one partner took sole power, 1974-79 included a change of leader and a very serious economic/financial/political crisis. The electorate generally takes at least a decade to get really fed up with the administration in power.
Two terms at least for Labour, unless there is some major disaster. |
Good analysis, and agreed.
Labour will win power without relying on the momentum wing, and leadership challenges if things get rocky are a lot more difficult under Labour rules compared to the Tories who have a self-destructive habit of knifing leaders. | |
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