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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 15:54 - Jun 16 by DJR
I will learn in future never to post on a Trump thread, but it seems to me that those who have responded to me have a different view of the meaning of cognitive ability, something I didn't anticipate. As it is, in my initial post I actually used the term mental impairment as an alternative but I did so because I also included the word physical.
Cognitive ability declines with age, but it does so at different rates in different people.
I think you would have to blind or blinkered not to notice such a decline in Biden (he also shows physical decline), but from my point of view I see no evidence of the same thing happening in Trump, or even if it is, to anything like the same extent as Biden, which is all I was trying to say.
Of course, in the speech he mixed up Ronny Johnson with Ronny Jackson (something Biden's rapid response team jumped on and made the main headlines in the Guardian), but I am 14 years younger than Trump and occasionally do the same thing. That doesn't mean I lack cognitive ability.
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I suppose if the point you're making is that Biden is declining towards the bottom of the barrel whereas Trump is already there, then fair enough, and the only factor up for discussion is then whether or not the balance of Trump's mental impairment, sociopathic deceit and/or just abject stupidity is shifting. As per the OP, what a wonderful thing to have to consider.
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 16:31 - Jun 16 with 3248 views
Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 11:52 - Jun 16 by DJR
I know there are now these articles highlighting the odd gaffe from Trump, but there is no evidence to me of his being a person who is physically or mentally impaired (apart from his policies).
The same can't be said of Biden who is clearly both mentally and physically impaired.
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Where do I start with this?
Biden rides a bike - The press get to see this most weekends. Trump does golf in a golf cart. He doesn't go after balls in the rough 'cos he just claims a mulligan. Trump needs to hold peoples hands when he walks down slopes. Biden has stumbled climbing aircraft stairs but Trump walks up them with toilet paper stuck to his shoes.
So Biden isn't physically impaired.
In speeches, Biden says his speech in one go and rarely gets it wrong. Trump just rambles on for hours repeating the same tropes eg. stolen election, wind farms kill birds, whales and dolphins. There's millions of immigrants flooding the southern borders and they're all rapists, murderers and drug smugglers - even the 6 year-old kids.
The news media have stopped reporting on him making the same debunked lies over and over so he says something outrageous so they have to report it. He has to be the center of attention and can't stand it if there's no mention of him in the news cycle.
Both his parents suffered from dementia and so it was always likely he was going to start showing these same symptoms.
Don't believe a word I say. I'm only kidding. Or am I?
Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 16:31 - Jun 16 by Oldsmoker
Where do I start with this?
Biden rides a bike - The press get to see this most weekends. Trump does golf in a golf cart. He doesn't go after balls in the rough 'cos he just claims a mulligan. Trump needs to hold peoples hands when he walks down slopes. Biden has stumbled climbing aircraft stairs but Trump walks up them with toilet paper stuck to his shoes.
So Biden isn't physically impaired.
In speeches, Biden says his speech in one go and rarely gets it wrong. Trump just rambles on for hours repeating the same tropes eg. stolen election, wind farms kill birds, whales and dolphins. There's millions of immigrants flooding the southern borders and they're all rapists, murderers and drug smugglers - even the 6 year-old kids.
The news media have stopped reporting on him making the same debunked lies over and over so he says something outrageous so they have to report it. He has to be the center of attention and can't stand it if there's no mention of him in the news cycle.
Both his parents suffered from dementia and so it was always likely he was going to start showing these same symptoms.
Biden rides a bike?
Pretty sure I saw a clip of him at the D Day thing where it looked like he couldn't even stand up.
Both Biden and Trump are a danger to world peace.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 18:11 - Jun 16 by Lord_Lucan
Biden rides a bike?
Pretty sure I saw a clip of him at the D Day thing where it looked like he couldn't even stand up.
Both Biden and Trump are a danger to world peace.
At the G7 summit he had to be pointed in the right direction by Meloni who along with the others seemed a bit concerned when his attention was caught by something else and he started shuffling off in a completely different direction.
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 18:19 - Jun 16 with 3100 views
Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 18:17 - Jun 16 by DJR
At the G7 summit he had to be pointed in the right direction by Meloni who along with the others seemed a bit concerned when his attention was caught by something else and he started shuffling off in a completely different direction.
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This is the clip I mentioned, which I saw on Sky.
And this happened only yesterday.
The problem it seems to me is that if he is like this now, what will he be like in four years' time, at the end of a second Presidency?
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 12:26 - Jun 17 with 2866 views
Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 08:57 - Jun 17 by DJR
This is the clip I mentioned, which I saw on Sky.
And this happened only yesterday.
The problem it seems to me is that if he is like this now, what will he be like in four years' time, at the end of a second Presidency?
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Whilst I'm certainly not arguing the general point about Biden, nor what condition he's likely to be in in a few years' time, is this not just the usual hack job? It's being described as if he just bumbled out of the shot for no reason, but several of the others were looking at whatever the guys to their left were doing too, Biden's just the only one who took a couple of steps in that direction, and the photo clearly wasn't actually being readied until Meloni came to get him. And as for "freezing" on the stage, that was, what, four seconds?
Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 12:26 - Jun 17 by FoghornGleghorn
Whilst I'm certainly not arguing the general point about Biden, nor what condition he's likely to be in in a few years' time, is this not just the usual hack job? It's being described as if he just bumbled out of the shot for no reason, but several of the others were looking at whatever the guys to their left were doing too, Biden's just the only one who took a couple of steps in that direction, and the photo clearly wasn't actually being readied until Meloni came to get him. And as for "freezing" on the stage, that was, what, four seconds?
There is obviously a propaganda war going on here, but I saw the Meloni incident on Sky almost as it happened and formed my own view. And as regards the second, it is Obama helping Biden offstage that is of more concern. Both of these incidents follow a pattern.
Sadly we will, in my view, end up with a President who is either
not the sharpest tool in the toolbox, or
objectionable and dangerously capricious.
Not a great state of affairs for the leader of the free world.
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 14:42 - Jun 17 with 2728 views
Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 11:52 - Jun 16 by DJR
I know there are now these articles highlighting the odd gaffe from Trump, but there is no evidence to me of his being a person who is physically or mentally impaired (apart from his policies).
The same can't be said of Biden who is clearly both mentally and physically impaired.
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Am surprised at 8 downvotes on this, for all Trump's issues he is a bombastic performer and whilst talks a load of rubbish he seems to know what he is saying - the same can't be said for Biden.
Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 14:33 - Jun 17 by DJR
There is obviously a propaganda war going on here, but I saw the Meloni incident on Sky almost as it happened and formed my own view. And as regards the second, it is Obama helping Biden offstage that is of more concern. Both of these incidents follow a pattern.
Sadly we will, in my view, end up with a President who is either
not the sharpest tool in the toolbox, or
objectionable and dangerously capricious.
Not a great state of affairs for the leader of the free world.
[Post edited 17 Jun 2024 14:42]
I'd say the choices boil down to the following 2
One guy who is clearly no longer all there, but has a proper political team around him who must basically do the job for him on his behalf
Another guy who is just an absolute narcissist who wants to be President to enable him to further his own finances and career and will surround himself by whoever helps him get elected and has no worries about what his aides will do on his behalf as long as he is Presdent.
Give me Team Biden over Team Trump which encompasses some of the worst people in the free world
Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 14:55 - Jun 17 by itfcjoe
I'd say the choices boil down to the following 2
One guy who is clearly no longer all there, but has a proper political team around him who must basically do the job for him on his behalf
Another guy who is just an absolute narcissist who wants to be President to enable him to further his own finances and career and will surround himself by whoever helps him get elected and has no worries about what his aides will do on his behalf as long as he is Presdent.
Give me Team Biden over Team Trump which encompasses some of the worst people in the free world
I think this is pretty much my position too. Not ideal, but certainly a case of least bad. In fact it's probably more than that. I think Biden is a decent human being (though arguably a little past his sell by date), whereas Trump on the other hand is little more than a narcisistic shyster.
Distortion becomes somehow pure in its wildness.
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 15:18 - Jun 17 with 2622 views
Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 14:55 - Jun 17 by itfcjoe
I'd say the choices boil down to the following 2
One guy who is clearly no longer all there, but has a proper political team around him who must basically do the job for him on his behalf
Another guy who is just an absolute narcissist who wants to be President to enable him to further his own finances and career and will surround himself by whoever helps him get elected and has no worries about what his aides will do on his behalf as long as he is Presdent.
Give me Team Biden over Team Trump which encompasses some of the worst people in the free world
I would vote for Biden too, but I don't suppose your first option is what the Founding Fathers envisaged, and it certainly isn't how democracy is meant to work. It also sets a dangerous precedent, because if Trump were to lose his marbles, would we really want Steve Bannon running the show?
Having said all that, I am sure the Founding Fathers would be turning in their graves at Trump and all he has been up to.
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 15:29 - Jun 17 with 2604 views
Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 14:26 - Jun 16 by DJR
I think that you are all missing the points that I was trying to make.
Firstly, that there appear to be an increasing number of articles which seem designed to effectively say Trump is no better cognitively than Biden.
Secondly, it is perfectly possible to have all one's faculties and have views or say things that are extreme, baseless or outrageous.
Of course, it may well be that Trump is a narcissist (I am no psychiatrist), but it seems to me that his primary purpose is to get himself elected, and to that extent he is prepared to say things, regardless of whether he believes them.
Re Biden last week, wider shots show him go over to talk to one of the parachutists. I saw something which suggested that some edits were put out by right wing media to imply he'd wandered off and that became the narrative.
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 15:34 - Jun 17 with 2583 views
Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 15:13 - Jun 17 by Whos_blue
I think this is pretty much my position too. Not ideal, but certainly a case of least bad. In fact it's probably more than that. I think Biden is a decent human being (though arguably a little past his sell by date), whereas Trump on the other hand is little more than a narcisistic shyster.
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 15:43 - Jun 17 with 2555 views
Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 14:42 - Jun 17 by itfcjoe
Am surprised at 8 downvotes on this, for all Trump's issues he is a bombastic performer and whilst talks a load of rubbish he seems to know what he is saying - the same can't be said for Biden.
At last!
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 15:45 - Jun 17 with 2547 views
Re Biden last week, wider shots show him go over to talk to one of the parachutists. I saw something which suggested that some edits were put out by right wing media to imply he'd wandered off and that became the narrative.
Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 14:42 - Jun 17 by itfcjoe
Am surprised at 8 downvotes on this, for all Trump's issues he is a bombastic performer and whilst talks a load of rubbish he seems to know what he is saying - the same can't be said for Biden.
I'm surprised you're surprised.
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
Re Biden last week, wider shots show him go over to talk to one of the parachutists. I saw something which suggested that some edits were put out by right wing media to imply he'd wandered off and that became the narrative.
There's clearly a propaganda war going on here, and this is part of it, but it must be against medical ethics for medical professionals to make public medical judgments on people, as well as to form a view on someone who isn't their patient.
As it is, not all psychologists (which the person quoted appears to be) are medical professionals, which might call into question his views.
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 16:10 - Jun 17 with 2436 views
Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 16:04 - Jun 17 by DJR
There's clearly a propaganda war going on here, and this is part of it, but it must be against medical ethics for medical professionals to make public medical judgments on people, as well as to form a view on someone who isn't their patient.
As it is, not all psychologists (which the person quoted appears to be) are medical professionals, which might call into question his views.
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To some degree, certainly. Biden is certainly very doddery at best, but Trump seems on a very steep decline.
Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 16:15 - Jun 17 by Lord_Lucan
I find the whole thing very depressing, in fact it would probably be beneficial if both of them died before the election got properly underway.
I certainly think the Democrats would put themselves in a better position if they had picked someone else. The debates will be interesting as I would guess Biden will probably come across better while making the odd gaffe, while Trump's now familiar nonsense word salad is likely to alienate any independent voters who might have been wavering, not that you'd imagine there's anyone who is wavering on their view of Trump by this point.
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 16:26 - Jun 17 with 2350 views
Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 16:21 - Jun 17 by PhilTWTD
I certainly think the Democrats would put themselves in a better position if they had picked someone else. The debates will be interesting as I would guess Biden will probably come across better while making the odd gaffe, while Trump's now familiar nonsense word salad is likely to alienate any independent voters who might have been wavering, not that you'd imagine there's anyone who is wavering on their view of Trump by this point.
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Yep, i think that as well. I wonder what the process is to stop an incumbent from running again for their second term. Has it ever been done before? Saying that I am sure that Biden might be the oldest sitting president so maybe this is a first.
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