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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test 09:56 - Jun 16 with 13985 viewsStokieBlue

And then proceeds to state he had "aced" a cognitive test whilst proceeding to get the name of the White House doctor who performed the test wrong.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/16/trump-gets-name-of-his-d

Couldn't make it up. The choice of potential leaders on both sides of the pond really isn't great.

SB
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 16:52 - Jun 17 with 3238 viewsiamatractorboy

For anyone who thinks Trump is all there and a good speaker, try and find an unedited video of him at a rally (if these exist). I dare you to sit through the whole thing!
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 16:58 - Jun 17 with 3210 viewsPhilTWTD

Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 16:26 - Jun 17 by mutters

Yep, i think that as well. I wonder what the process is to stop an incumbent from running again for their second term. Has it ever been done before? Saying that I am sure that Biden might be the oldest sitting president so maybe this is a first.


He is, I think. Reagan was the oldest prior to him, I seem to remember and it's believed he had cognitive issues in his time in the White House.

Whether anyone's been persuaded from not running previously, I don't know. Presidents are more powerful than their parties so not sure who would tell them.
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 17:03 - Jun 17 with 3195 viewspositivity

Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 14:42 - Jun 17 by itfcjoe

Am surprised at 8 downvotes on this, for all Trump's issues he is a bombastic performer and whilst talks a load of rubbish he seems to know what he is saying - the same can't be said for Biden.


bombastic doesn't equal dementia-free, i don't think he knows what he's saying.

as another poster says, try watching unedited footage of him, the repetition, the leaps of (il)logic and the contradictions of things he's said minutes early are classic early dementia.

it's increased vastly since he was last president too

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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 17:15 - Jun 17 with 3162 viewsTangledupin_Blue

Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 14:33 - Jun 17 by DJR

There is obviously a propaganda war going on here, but I saw the Meloni incident on Sky almost as it happened and formed my own view. And as regards the second, it is Obama helping Biden offstage that is of more concern. Both of these incidents follow a pattern.

Sadly we will, in my view, end up with a President who is either

not the sharpest tool in the toolbox, or

objectionable and dangerously capricious.

Not a great state of affairs for the leader of the free world.
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If the toolbox represents the presidential race then it contains two tools.

Biden is the sharpest tool in the box.

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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 19:15 - Jun 17 with 3090 viewsRadioOrwell

Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 16:52 - Jun 17 by iamatractorboy

For anyone who thinks Trump is all there and a good speaker, try and find an unedited video of him at a rally (if these exist). I dare you to sit through the whole thing!


I think I heard that even Fox have stopped reporting on his speeches because they are too weird even for them.
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 19:42 - Jun 17 with 3052 viewsitfcjoe

Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 16:58 - Jun 17 by PhilTWTD

He is, I think. Reagan was the oldest prior to him, I seem to remember and it's believed he had cognitive issues in his time in the White House.

Whether anyone's been persuaded from not running previously, I don't know. Presidents are more powerful than their parties so not sure who would tell them.


They are both older than Bill Clinton who was elected more than 30 years ago!

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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 20:14 - Jun 17 with 3005 viewsPhilTWTD

Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 19:42 - Jun 17 by itfcjoe

They are both older than Bill Clinton who was elected more than 30 years ago!


Ha, I hadn't realised that! To think, the West used to laugh at the USSR for being a gerontocracy.
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 20:15 - Jun 17 with 3003 viewsPhilTWTD

Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 19:15 - Jun 17 by RadioOrwell

I think I heard that even Fox have stopped reporting on his speeches because they are too weird even for them.


I'd guess that might be more about deliberately hiding them!
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 21:43 - Jun 17 with 2916 viewsArnoldMoorhen

Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 11:39 - Jun 16 by DanTheMan

Even without getting into whether either of the two are fine cognitively, I love quotes like this.

"He was the White House doctor, and he said I was the healthiest president, he feels, in history. So I liked him very much."

He's 78 and very obviously overweight. Compare him to Bush, Obama, Carter, and Ford when they became president and it's not even going to be close. And yet people lap this up and believe it, it's like a cult. I don't understand how people can be this invested in a politician...


I would love Obama to call Trump out on that and challenge him to a 30 minute, one-on-one, basketball game. Each put up a million dollars of their own money. Winner takes all. Live TV coverage.
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 17:25 - Jun 19 with 2743 viewsStokieBlue

Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 08:57 - Jun 17 by DJR

This is the clip I mentioned, which I saw on Sky.



And this happened only yesterday.



The problem it seems to me is that if he is like this now, what will he be like in four years' time, at the end of a second Presidency?
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You've said there is a propaganda war in regards to cognitive abilities with regards to Biden and Trump and this article seems to agree.

This article is also claiming that both videos that you have posted are edited to remove context and make Biden look bad:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/19/joe-biden-edited-videos

SB
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 20:59 - Jun 20 with 2562 viewsDJR

Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 17:25 - Jun 19 by StokieBlue

You've said there is a propaganda war in regards to cognitive abilities with regards to Biden and Trump and this article seems to agree.

This article is also claiming that both videos that you have posted are edited to remove context and make Biden look bad:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/19/joe-biden-edited-videos

SB
[Post edited 19 Jun 2024 17:29]


I am surprised at the blowback my comments on this thread have received.

My views on Biden are nothing to do with partisan reporting (of which the Guardian US edition article is arguably just another example). Indeed, the articles I posted were from Indian news sources, which I can't imagine are pro-Trump.

My views on Biden are based on observations of him in the last couple of years on the BBC and Sky News. Indeed, every time I see him these days, it looks to me like an accident of some sort is imminent. And as regards the G7 incident, I saw that on Sky News, who I can't imagine edited the footage.

As it is, the responses to my posts do not appear to be representative of Democratic voters' views on Biden, if the following from NBC (not a pr-Trump news outlet0 are anything to go by.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/bidens-age-fitness-top-list-voter

Here is a quote from the article.

"In the new poll, a combined 76% of voters say they have major concerns (62%) or moderate concerns (14%) about Biden’s not having the necessary mental and physical health to be president for a second term, compared with 24% who have either minor concerns (13%) or no concerns at all (11%).

By party, 95% of Republican voters, 81% of independents and 54% of Democrats say they have major or moderate concerns about Biden’s fitness for a second term."

Finally, I sense that it is Biden's current condition which has played a part in him relying on Blinken to do his bidding as regards Gaza, with the result that US influence on the conflict has been minimal. In my view a fitter President would surely have visited the region more than once, and been much more likely to influence Netanyahu.
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 09:33 - Jun 21 with 2430 viewsStokieBlue

Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 20:59 - Jun 20 by DJR

I am surprised at the blowback my comments on this thread have received.

My views on Biden are nothing to do with partisan reporting (of which the Guardian US edition article is arguably just another example). Indeed, the articles I posted were from Indian news sources, which I can't imagine are pro-Trump.

My views on Biden are based on observations of him in the last couple of years on the BBC and Sky News. Indeed, every time I see him these days, it looks to me like an accident of some sort is imminent. And as regards the G7 incident, I saw that on Sky News, who I can't imagine edited the footage.

As it is, the responses to my posts do not appear to be representative of Democratic voters' views on Biden, if the following from NBC (not a pr-Trump news outlet0 are anything to go by.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/bidens-age-fitness-top-list-voter

Here is a quote from the article.

"In the new poll, a combined 76% of voters say they have major concerns (62%) or moderate concerns (14%) about Biden’s not having the necessary mental and physical health to be president for a second term, compared with 24% who have either minor concerns (13%) or no concerns at all (11%).

By party, 95% of Republican voters, 81% of independents and 54% of Democrats say they have major or moderate concerns about Biden’s fitness for a second term."

Finally, I sense that it is Biden's current condition which has played a part in him relying on Blinken to do his bidding as regards Gaza, with the result that US influence on the conflict has been minimal. In my view a fitter President would surely have visited the region more than once, and been much more likely to influence Netanyahu.
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"I am surprised at the blowback my comments on this thread have received."

Whilst I agree with you on many things, people are allowed to have a different view and many clearly disagree with your views around Trump and his cognitive abilities. Your views on Biden haven't really been challenged to the same extent as many people think he has some issues so I am surprised that is your focus.

As for this response, I am not really sure what it has to do with what I posted which was an article highlighting that the videos you posted were selectively edited and I thought you should be made aware of that.

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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 16:35 - Jun 28 with 2189 viewsitfcjoe

Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 16:21 - Jun 17 by PhilTWTD

I certainly think the Democrats would put themselves in a better position if they had picked someone else. The debates will be interesting as I would guess Biden will probably come across better while making the odd gaffe, while Trump's now familiar nonsense word salad is likely to alienate any independent voters who might have been wavering, not that you'd imagine there's anyone who is wavering on their view of Trump by this point.

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I think the debate couldn't have gone worse for Biden and what everyone hoped would happen just wasn't realistic.

The format was awful for Team Biden, and set by them - Trump just sat back and let Biden hang himself

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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 16:43 - Jun 28 with 2172 viewsPhilTWTD

Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 16:35 - Jun 28 by itfcjoe

I think the debate couldn't have gone worse for Biden and what everyone hoped would happen just wasn't realistic.

The format was awful for Team Biden, and set by them - Trump just sat back and let Biden hang himself


No, couldn't have gone any worse for the Democrats. Or perhaps, looking at it from another angle, any better. Replacing Biden now looks a serious prospect which it wouldn't otherwise have done.
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 17:38 - Jun 28 with 2068 viewsiamatractorboy

Apologies if anyone has already posted this, but I found this interesting. When not aware of whose policies they are rating, Biden's are significantly more popular than Trump's. Actually, is it that much of a shock?

https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/49861-who-wins-on-policy-support-for-
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 18:28 - Jun 28 with 2014 viewsDJR

I guess it is difficult to argue that the footage was edited to make Biden look bad!

And maybe the 33% who thought Biden won the debate are also suffering from cognitive decline.

Today's Newsagents Podcast from Jon Sopel and Emily Maitlis is well worth listening and is savage about Biden. Indeed, Sopel expresses astonishment that anyone thought Biden won the debate.
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 21:04 - Jun 28 with 1931 viewsAce_High1

Madness that the US can only come up with these two.

A bit like this country, there should be a "no vote" vote, which if it gets a majority results in the King having to abolish all current parties, and start the political system again. The choices both sides of the Atlantic are very uninspiring.
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 08:38 - Jul 3 with 1727 viewsDJR

That's some jet lag!

This from BBC News.

"President Joe Biden has blamed his poor debate performance last week on jet lag, telling reporters that he "wasn't very smart" for "travelling around the world a couple of times" before the debate.

"I didn’t listen to my staff... and then I nearly fell asleep on stage,” he said.

Mr Biden, 81, last returned from travel on 15 June, nearly two weeks ahead of the 27 June debate."

I think this goes to prove my view that Biden's lack of travel to Israel is down to his condition, and that this has limited his influence on Netanyahu.

It doesn't bode well for the future though, were, say, the conflict in Ukraine to spiral, because a President who needs naps is not the person you want in control in such a situation.

I might add that this comes on top of the following from Carl Bernstein of Watergate fame.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/carl-bernstein-sources-say-biden-s-debat
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 09:53 - Jul 3 with 1663 viewsGlasgowBlue

Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 08:38 - Jul 3 by DJR

That's some jet lag!

This from BBC News.

"President Joe Biden has blamed his poor debate performance last week on jet lag, telling reporters that he "wasn't very smart" for "travelling around the world a couple of times" before the debate.

"I didn’t listen to my staff... and then I nearly fell asleep on stage,” he said.

Mr Biden, 81, last returned from travel on 15 June, nearly two weeks ahead of the 27 June debate."

I think this goes to prove my view that Biden's lack of travel to Israel is down to his condition, and that this has limited his influence on Netanyahu.

It doesn't bode well for the future though, were, say, the conflict in Ukraine to spiral, because a President who needs naps is not the person you want in control in such a situation.

I might add that this comes on top of the following from Carl Bernstein of Watergate fame.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/carl-bernstein-sources-say-biden-s-debat
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These two videos show how much he has declined since being in office.


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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 10:05 - Jul 3 with 1629 viewsJakeITFC

Not sure it has been posted elsewhere, but Betfair now has Trump 1.73, Harris 8.0 and Biden 8.8 in the next President market (in case not immediately clear, that means the market thinks that Biden is going to be stepped down).
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 10:05 - Jul 3 with 1628 viewsDJR

Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 09:53 - Jul 3 by GlasgowBlue

These two videos show how much he has declined since being in office.



Yes, it's both physical and mental decline.

Incidentally, a friend of mine said last summer he saw signs in Biden of the onset of dementia that he had seen in his father. And listening to LBC the day after the debate, there was a caller who said the same about her husband.

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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 10:13 - Jul 3 with 1607 viewsSuperKieranMcKenna

Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 10:05 - Jul 3 by DJR

Yes, it's both physical and mental decline.

Incidentally, a friend of mine said last summer he saw signs in Biden of the onset of dementia that he had seen in his father. And listening to LBC the day after the debate, there was a caller who said the same about her husband.

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At a human level it’s sad to watch, and at a time of increasingly belligerent Iran, Russia, and China, neither he or Trump are what the world needs.
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 10:20 - Jul 3 with 1590 viewsDJR

Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 10:13 - Jul 3 by SuperKieranMcKenna

At a human level it’s sad to watch, and at a time of increasingly belligerent Iran, Russia, and China, neither he or Trump are what the world needs.


And this is why the Democrats needs to get someone better in his place, because in the polls since the debate Trump appears to have extended his lead.
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Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 15:24 - Jul 3 with 1475 viewsDJR

Trump challenges Biden to a cognitive test on 10:20 - Jul 3 by DJR

And this is why the Democrats needs to get someone better in his place, because in the polls since the debate Trump appears to have extended his lead.


And there's this from the Guardian.

"A post-debate poll showed Biden now under threat from Trump in states previously considered safe by Democrats, including Virginia, New Mexico and New Hampshire.
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