| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 09:05 - Jun 24 with 2774 views | NthQldITFC |
How do you put something that's sh!t in peril? And if you can, why is it a problem if you do? |  |
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| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 09:06 - Jun 24 with 2776 views | Herbivore |
Oh no, how would we cope with having better relations and frictionless trade with our nearest neighbours? Sounds awful. |  |
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| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 10:23 - Jun 24 with 2621 views | MattinLondon |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 09:05 - Jun 24 by NthQldITFC |
How do you put something that's sh!t in peril? And if you can, why is it a problem if you do? |
Rishi and hate preacher Farage are not stupid. They know that the entire Brexit experiment has been a complete balls-up. Rather than putting country first and saying ‘it’s been a huge mistake let’s start again and try and make things better’, they carry on trying to delude the country.
Surly patriots (which is how they see themselves) would, for the good of the country, acknowledge the mistake? |  | | |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 11:01 - Jun 24 with 2556 views | Basuco |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 09:06 - Jun 24 by Herbivore |
Oh no, how would we cope with having better relations and frictionless trade with our nearest neighbours? Sounds awful. |
After taking an hour to get off a ferry to have my passport stamped last weekend and all the trade checks must be even worse! The hospitality sector in particular has been badly affected by lack of European chef's, cook's and waiting staff. Even Tim Martin, Brexit supporter, Wetherspoons owner has been campaigning the government to relax immigration rules as he is struggling for staff. Sunak also conveniently forgets that while part of the EU we returned 60,000 immigrants to France, but we cannot do that now as there is no returns agreement. |  | | |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 11:16 - Jun 24 with 2509 views | BlueBadger |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 10:23 - Jun 24 by MattinLondon |
Rishi and hate preacher Farage are not stupid. They know that the entire Brexit experiment has been a complete balls-up. Rather than putting country first and saying ‘it’s been a huge mistake let’s start again and try and make things better’, they carry on trying to delude the country.
Surly patriots (which is how they see themselves) would, for the good of the country, acknowledge the mistake? |
You've spelt 'Nazi sympathising, Putin licking hate preaching traitor' wrong. |  |
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| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 11:38 - Jun 24 with 2462 views | homer_123 |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 11:01 - Jun 24 by Basuco |
After taking an hour to get off a ferry to have my passport stamped last weekend and all the trade checks must be even worse! The hospitality sector in particular has been badly affected by lack of European chef's, cook's and waiting staff. Even Tim Martin, Brexit supporter, Wetherspoons owner has been campaigning the government to relax immigration rules as he is struggling for staff. Sunak also conveniently forgets that while part of the EU we returned 60,000 immigrants to France, but we cannot do that now as there is no returns agreement. |
Just a very, very small point.
Race to the bottom, cheap labour etc.
Yes, Hospitality has struggled as 'cheap' labour is no longer available in the quantities it once was. It's not the only sector that has seen this. Our clients in Hospitality have had to increase wages to compete with other local employers to attract and retain staff.
In turn, prices have increased to cover (in part) these additional costs.
Now, you could argue that as 'punters' we want things 'cheap' and increased costs to us is a bad thing.....it isn't.
Those clients of ours that have increased wages and increased costs to the consumer are actually financially better off as a business as a result. Staff turnover has reduced (and associated hiring and training costs have reduced), customer satisfaction levels are through the roof - therefore customers are returning and spending (and appear OK spending that bit more).
Please don't read this as anything other than an observation from our work. [Post edited 24 Jun 2024 11:39]
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| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 12:18 - Jun 24 with 2328 views | MattinLondon |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 11:16 - Jun 24 by BlueBadger |
You've spelt 'Nazi sympathising, Putin licking hate preaching traitor' wrong. |
I do find it strange, when people who claim to be patrotic, state that they’d rather be out of the EU despite all the evidence showing how harmful Brexit has been to the country. Doesn’t seem that patriotic to me.
I did toy with the idea of labelling both Rishi and hate preacher Farage as traitors, but I either bottled it or I didn’t want to upset some posters. | | | |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 12:19 - Jun 24 with 2329 views | Basuco |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 11:38 - Jun 24 by homer_123 |
Just a very, very small point.
Race to the bottom, cheap labour etc.
Yes, Hospitality has struggled as 'cheap' labour is no longer available in the quantities it once was. It's not the only sector that has seen this. Our clients in Hospitality have had to increase wages to compete with other local employers to attract and retain staff.
In turn, prices have increased to cover (in part) these additional costs.
Now, you could argue that as 'punters' we want things 'cheap' and increased costs to us is a bad thing.....it isn't.
Those clients of ours that have increased wages and increased costs to the consumer are actually financially better off as a business as a result. Staff turnover has reduced (and associated hiring and training costs have reduced), customer satisfaction levels are through the roof - therefore customers are returning and spending (and appear OK spending that bit more).
Please don't read this as anything other than an observation from our work. [Post edited 24 Jun 2024 11:39]
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Interesting, good to hear a side I hadn't thought of, two large restaurant chains I support IT wise have had big problems recruiting staff and have had to close quite a few restaurants, but these are mid range price wise, (£50 to £80 per head meals) so maybe the most affected by high cost of living. The higher price ones have not suffered at all as far as I can see. | | | |
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| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 12:31 - Jun 24 with 2276 views | Churchman |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 10:23 - Jun 24 by MattinLondon |
Rishi and hate preacher Farage are not stupid. They know that the entire Brexit experiment has been a complete balls-up. Rather than putting country first and saying ‘it’s been a huge mistake let’s start again and try and make things better’, they carry on trying to delude the country.
Surly patriots (which is how they see themselves) would, for the good of the country, acknowledge the mistake? |
They knew it was insane with no benefits and a mountain of downsides by 2018. They could have done something about it right there, right then if they’d not been so consumed with their own certainty while ignoring what was staring them in the face. They were told. The evidence was there before them.
But being tired of experts, or should I say needing more time to download porn in the HoC, place bets or dribble over a PS with the blinds up, they were never going to stop. Not least because it’d have meant a General Election which they would have probably lost. So in self interest they pursued the wrong route dressed in lies and denial. And the people got to pay now and for decades to come.
The irony is that frictionless trade (the holy grail in its purest form) was what Single Market and Customs Union was all about. Not only was approx 40% of trade with the EU, but much of Eire’s stuff passed through the U.K. too.
Who was a big driver for Customs Union / Single Market? Margaret Thatcher. So the Tories are saying Thatcher was wrong then. Come on Sunak, be a man. Call her out. Oh the irony. Just about the only thing the hag ever got right and Sunak + gang don’t agree with it.
Bye Roland Rat Rishi and don’t let the door bang your ar£e on the way out, ya fraud. |  | | |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 14:47 - Jun 24 with 2096 views | BlueBadger |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 12:18 - Jun 24 by MattinLondon |
I do find it strange, when people who claim to be patrotic, state that they’d rather be out of the EU despite all the evidence showing how harmful Brexit has been to the country. Doesn’t seem that patriotic to me.
I did toy with the idea of labelling both Rishi and hate preacher Farage as traitors, but I either bottled it or I didn’t want to upset some posters. |
Just explain that you have Very Real Concerns | |
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| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 15:46 - Jun 24 with 2027 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
Genuinely few things I'd like more in life than for people from the UK to have FOM in the EU again.
Hoping Labour will do it despite saying they won't. Potential time frames? |  |
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| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 15:57 - Jun 24 with 2004 views | bluelagos |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 15:46 - Jun 24 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Genuinely few things I'd like more in life than for people from the UK to have FOM in the EU again.
Hoping Labour will do it despite saying they won't. Potential time frames? |
Don't see it happening in next five years given it's not in Labour's manifesto and so there is no mandate. (if Labour win) |  |
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| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 16:06 - Jun 24 with 1978 views | Blueschev |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 15:57 - Jun 24 by bluelagos |
Don't see it happening in next five years given it's not in Labour's manifesto and so there is no mandate. (if Labour win) |
I don't think it being in Labour's manifesto is relevant. If they win a huge majority the mood music will soften for a return to the customs union at the very least. |  | | |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 16:17 - Jun 24 with 1952 views | MattinLondon |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 16:06 - Jun 24 by Blueschev |
I don't think it being in Labour's manifesto is relevant. If they win a huge majority the mood music will soften for a return to the customs union at the very least. |
I think that a lot depends on the long-term direction of the Tory party. Short-term they might well lurch to the left, but like Labour after Corbyn, they might well return to the centre-right. If they do then rejoining the Common Market will be seen as a sensible idea. And then after that the EU.
That’s if the EU will have us back. | | | |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 17:03 - Jun 24 with 1877 views | bluelagos |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 16:06 - Jun 24 by Blueschev |
I don't think it being in Labour's manifesto is relevant. If they win a huge majority the mood music will soften for a return to the customs union at the very least. |
Still have to get anything through the House of Lords - and they won't be rubber stamping anything that isn't in a manifesto without a lot of scrutiny.
A larger majority doesn't make anyone immune from doing things properly - and ultimately Starmer would want a second term too.
I can defo see them possibly putting SM or CU or both in their next manifesto, if things are going well in 4-5 years time. | |
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| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 17:13 - Jun 24 with 1863 views | ChaplinsLob |
Of course we've already had one referendum which the parties are bound by to a certain extent, but how many years after is it acceptable to have another? Best not ask SNP as they love them so much and not very good at them. |  | | |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 17:34 - Jun 24 with 1823 views | MattinLondon |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 17:13 - Jun 24 by ChaplinsLob |
Of course we've already had one referendum which the parties are bound by to a certain extent, but how many years after is it acceptable to have another? Best not ask SNP as they love them so much and not very good at them. |
All depends on circumstances but I’d say a generation (18 years) is acceptable to have another referendum on rejoining the EU. But all depends on circumstances. | | | |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 18:36 - Jun 24 with 1774 views | Churchman |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 17:34 - Jun 24 by MattinLondon |
All depends on circumstances but I’d say a generation (18 years) is acceptable to have another referendum on rejoining the EU. But all depends on circumstances. |
You don’t need a referendum. A government is elected to govern. Just do what is right.
There was nothing in the referendum about devaluing the currency 15% day one. There was nothing on the impact on Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement (reason enough to act), smashing relationships with countries half our trade is with, labelling, through trade, licensing, BIPs, vets, warehousing, the need for a lot more border staff, space/port facilities, Eurotunnel/ Eurostar impact, splitting up the U.K. which is now inevitable.
There are literally dozens more aspects to this that nobody including the tories knew anything about when they staged a silly referendum in 2016.
Since HMG dropped this country in the brown stuff, it’s incumbent on the current mugs replacements to sort out the mess. You don’t need another silly vote, not least because the original one was based on zippo. | | | |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 18:53 - Jun 24 with 1748 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 18:36 - Jun 24 by Churchman |
You don’t need a referendum. A government is elected to govern. Just do what is right.
There was nothing in the referendum about devaluing the currency 15% day one. There was nothing on the impact on Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement (reason enough to act), smashing relationships with countries half our trade is with, labelling, through trade, licensing, BIPs, vets, warehousing, the need for a lot more border staff, space/port facilities, Eurotunnel/ Eurostar impact, splitting up the U.K. which is now inevitable.
There are literally dozens more aspects to this that nobody including the tories knew anything about when they staged a silly referendum in 2016.
Since HMG dropped this country in the brown stuff, it’s incumbent on the current mugs replacements to sort out the mess. You don’t need another silly vote, not least because the original one was based on zippo. |
Turkeys voting for Christmas, etc.
I can’t see any party in power addressing this as it’s still too toxic and will be for years. They daren’t even mention it at the moment. |  |
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| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 09:34 - Jun 25 with 1520 views | ThisIsMyUsername |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 16:17 - Jun 24 by MattinLondon |
I think that a lot depends on the long-term direction of the Tory party. Short-term they might well lurch to the left, but like Labour after Corbyn, they might well return to the centre-right. If they do then rejoining the Common Market will be seen as a sensible idea. And then after that the EU.
That’s if the EU will have us back. |
Forgive my ignorance, if we had re-joined the Common Market, why would we then want to re-join the EU fully?
I would love either/both to happen, but aren't the main benefits to be had from simply being in the Common Market if that were possible? | |
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| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 22:08 - Jun 25 with 1387 views | MattinLondon |
| Rishi Rich is threatening us with a good time again on 09:34 - Jun 25 by ThisIsMyUsername |
Forgive my ignorance, if we had re-joined the Common Market, why would we then want to re-join the EU fully?
I would love either/both to happen, but aren't the main benefits to be had from simply being in the Common Market if that were possible? |
You get to make or change the rules whilst being in the EU. Being just in the Common Market you just have access to it rather than trying to influence decision making.
I think that’s right - could be wrong. | | | |
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