| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 16:59 - Jul 3 with 2521 views | itfc48 |
Road tax changing from 1st April as well. Eventually they'll have the fuel duty hole to plug - not sure how they'll go about that given how widely electricity is used. |  | |  |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 17:03 - Jul 3 with 2490 views | ronnyd |
Sounds reasonable. Obviously no ULEZ to pay, but they still cause congestion. | | | |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 17:12 - Jul 3 with 2453 views | BloomBlue |
The congestion zone charge was introduced to reduce traffic driving into the zone, lessened economically damaging congestion and help more people travel on public transport. Eletric vehicles while they might be better for the environment they don't stop it taking longer to travel across London than it did when we had horse and cart. If anything eletric vehicles have increased congestion. |  | | |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 17:16 - Jul 3 with 2427 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 17:03 - Jul 3 by ronnyd |
Sounds reasonable. Obviously no ULEZ to pay, but they still cause congestion. |
They also cause more road damage as are generally heavier.
Plus air pollution is not just from the tailpipe - particulates also come from brakes, tyres etc. |  | | |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 20:05 - Jul 3 with 2226 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 16:59 - Jul 3 by itfc48 |
Road tax changing from 1st April as well. Eventually they'll have the fuel duty hole to plug - not sure how they'll go about that given how widely electricity is used. |
The tax exemption is all about encouraging uptake isn’t it? (though god knows why saving a few tens of quid helps people justify spending many tens of thousands on an electric vehicle).
I’m sure as there’s more uptake of electric vehicles the road duty will be re-classified, much like it was after the giveaways to diesel drivers. There’s always the option they could increase VAT on domestic electricity coverage current 5%. |  |
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| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 20:27 - Jul 3 with 2186 views | jontysnut |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 17:16 - Jul 3 by Clapham_Junction |
They also cause more road damage as are generally heavier.
Plus air pollution is not just from the tailpipe - particulates also come from brakes, tyres etc. |
I've got a 2 year old hybrid but my road tax is more than my daughter's 10 year old petrol Mazda. Tailpipe emissions apparently. |  | | |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 20:36 - Jul 3 with 2148 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 20:27 - Jul 3 by jontysnut |
I've got a 2 year old hybrid but my road tax is more than my daughter's 10 year old petrol Mazda. Tailpipe emissions apparently. |
My 66 plate diesel is nil tax, which is stupid. |  |
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| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 20:47 - Jul 3 with 2103 views | Ryorry |
Are EVs now being manufactured with some kind of warning noise?
The thought of one whizzing down our local, hilly, blind bends & brows single track lanes at the same speed as petrol/diesel ones, is full-on scary for us dog-walkers & horse-riders, whose only warning to jump into the undergrowth is the roar of the engine. |  |
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| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 20:55 - Jul 3 with 2073 views | BloomBlue |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 20:47 - Jul 3 by Ryorry |
Are EVs now being manufactured with some kind of warning noise?
The thought of one whizzing down our local, hilly, blind bends & brows single track lanes at the same speed as petrol/diesel ones, is full-on scary for us dog-walkers & horse-riders, whose only warning to jump into the undergrowth is the roar of the engine. |
Yes... opens window and driver shouts very loud "get out of the road you f****** idiot" | | | |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 20:59 - Jul 3 with 2048 views | Ryorry |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 20:55 - Jul 3 by BloomBlue |
Yes... opens window and driver shouts very loud "get out of the road you f****** idiot" |
Problem with that being they'd have run over & killed the walker/rider/horse before they even saw them, as they whanged round the blind bend or over the blind brow at 50mph.
You do realise there are no such things as pavements, & more often than not, not even any verges either, in rural areas, don't you? [Post edited 3 Jul 2024 21:08]
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| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 21:15 - Jul 3 with 1995 views | ronnyd |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 17:16 - Jul 3 by Clapham_Junction |
They also cause more road damage as are generally heavier.
Plus air pollution is not just from the tailpipe - particulates also come from brakes, tyres etc. |
Also, they are more polluting to build and to dispose of. | | | |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 21:31 - Jul 3 with 1935 views | stonojnr |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 20:47 - Jul 3 by Ryorry |
Are EVs now being manufactured with some kind of warning noise?
The thought of one whizzing down our local, hilly, blind bends & brows single track lanes at the same speed as petrol/diesel ones, is full-on scary for us dog-walkers & horse-riders, whose only warning to jump into the undergrowth is the roar of the engine. |
ime cycling around Suffolk, anything above 25mph, they make just as much road noise as ICE vehicles do from their wheels on the road, yes an ICE will always have some form of exhaust note, some louder than others, but to be honest unless its a modded exhaust, with modern engines you dont really hear the engine part till theyve passed you anyway.
and thats even when theres a 15mph headwind making conversation with someone next to you more of a shout to be heard game, you still hear electric vehicles coming along at 25mph.
so electric vehicles arent really that quiet except ironically in urban environments where congestion makes them go much more slowly and actually theres way more noise anyway. | | | |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 21:32 - Jul 3 with 1933 views | BloomBlue |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 20:59 - Jul 3 by Ryorry |
Problem with that being they'd have run over & killed the walker/rider/horse before they even saw them, as they whanged round the blind bend or over the blind brow at 50mph.
You do realise there are no such things as pavements, & more often than not, not even any verges either, in rural areas, don't you? [Post edited 3 Jul 2024 21:08]
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That's why I don't own an EV vehicle, you will hear my range rover v12 a mile away. | | | |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 21:35 - Jul 3 with 1921 views | Kievthegreat |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 17:16 - Jul 3 by Clapham_Junction |
They also cause more road damage as are generally heavier.
Plus air pollution is not just from the tailpipe - particulates also come from brakes, tyres etc. |
Weight is a factor and does lead to more wear on the road and as a result tyres, but it's worth pointing out that the brakes of EVs produce less particulates than ICE vehicles. A large proportion of braking on EVs is regenerative l, which doesn't create particulates.
In terms of public health in cities, EVs are hands down far better than ICE vehicles. In terms of CO2 emissions, they are also better, but it does depend on things like manufacturing and power grid mix as to how much better they are. |  | | |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 21:35 - Jul 3 with 1919 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 20:47 - Jul 3 by Ryorry |
Are EVs now being manufactured with some kind of warning noise?
The thought of one whizzing down our local, hilly, blind bends & brows single track lanes at the same speed as petrol/diesel ones, is full-on scary for us dog-walkers & horse-riders, whose only warning to jump into the undergrowth is the roar of the engine. |
Yep, not just a perception - you are more likely to be hit by an EV for that reason:
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/21/electric-cars-more-likely-
As an aside is there anything more naff than the green flash on EV plates. Apart from having a license plate in Norwich colours, nothing screams ‘saving the planet‘ like a 2.6 tonne SUV that was built in China. [Post edited 3 Jul 2024 21:43]
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| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 22:04 - Jul 3 with 1851 views | Ryorry |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 21:15 - Jul 3 by ronnyd |
Also, they are more polluting to build and to dispose of. |
.. and their batteries have to be charged by some form of electricity that i'm guessing isn't 100% green energy sourced ... | |
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| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 22:08 - Jul 3 with 1834 views | Ryorry |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 21:31 - Jul 3 by stonojnr |
ime cycling around Suffolk, anything above 25mph, they make just as much road noise as ICE vehicles do from their wheels on the road, yes an ICE will always have some form of exhaust note, some louder than others, but to be honest unless its a modded exhaust, with modern engines you dont really hear the engine part till theyve passed you anyway.
and thats even when theres a 15mph headwind making conversation with someone next to you more of a shout to be heard game, you still hear electric vehicles coming along at 25mph.
so electric vehicles arent really that quiet except ironically in urban environments where congestion makes them go much more slowly and actually theres way more noise anyway. |
Somewhat reassuring for me - though possibly not for my only 30-something but hard-of-hearing neighbour! | |
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| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 22:08 - Jul 3 with 1832 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 20:47 - Jul 3 by Ryorry |
Are EVs now being manufactured with some kind of warning noise?
The thought of one whizzing down our local, hilly, blind bends & brows single track lanes at the same speed as petrol/diesel ones, is full-on scary for us dog-walkers & horse-riders, whose only warning to jump into the undergrowth is the roar of the engine. |
They’re planning on fitting them with snow ploughs. Def info. | |
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| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 22:47 - Jul 3 with 1744 views | Kievthegreat |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 22:04 - Jul 3 by Ryorry |
.. and their batteries have to be charged by some form of electricity that i'm guessing isn't 100% green energy sourced ... |
You get different mileage depending on country, but the UK has a relatively green power grid (and getting greener). UK carbon intensity (co2 emitted when you generate 1kWh) was a record low of 162g per kWh last year. Right now it's actually half that as a UK average and in the East of England right now, it would only emit 70g for each kWh.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-uk-electricity-from-fossil-fuels-drops-to-l
https://carbonintensity.org.uk/
https://dashboard.nationalgrideso.com/
Using the example of a Tesla Model 3 with a 57.5 kWh battery and let's give it a real world range of about 250 miles. In that you'd use 9.3kg of CO2 to fully charge based on the average data for a year. If you had a magical car that could do 250 miles to the gallon, your petrol car would still emit more CO2 (about 10.4kg), whilst also spewing out a lot more harmful pollutants in the centre of cities. | | | |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 22:51 - Jul 3 with 1735 views | KrakenBlue |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 22:04 - Jul 3 by Ryorry |
.. and their batteries have to be charged by some form of electricity that i'm guessing isn't 100% green energy sourced ... |
A lot of ignorance in this thread.
Yes EVs can charge from electricity generated in every which way but there are providers who only buy renewables on the market. EVs can offer a lot of flexibility to the grid (when plugged in) allowing the grid to avoid increasing gas powered turbines when demand is high and renewables are low. The battery can then be recharged when the opposite of true
As we shift more to renewables then the gas powered plants will reduce output [Post edited 3 Jul 2024 22:57]
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| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 22:54 - Jul 3 with 1726 views | KrakenBlue |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 21:15 - Jul 3 by ronnyd |
Also, they are more polluting to build and to dispose of. |
Would be interested to read your source on this. A lot of manufacturers have/are opening battery recycling facilities that will negate the need to mine battery materials twice | | | |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 00:22 - Jul 4 with 1639 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 21:35 - Jul 3 by Kievthegreat |
Weight is a factor and does lead to more wear on the road and as a result tyres, but it's worth pointing out that the brakes of EVs produce less particulates than ICE vehicles. A large proportion of braking on EVs is regenerative l, which doesn't create particulates.
In terms of public health in cities, EVs are hands down far better than ICE vehicles. In terms of CO2 emissions, they are also better, but it does depend on things like manufacturing and power grid mix as to how much better they are. |
Absolutely they are better - I am not one of the 'worse for the environment' crowd – was just pointing out they still have impacts that some people might not be aware of. | | | |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 00:30 - Jul 4 with 1615 views | wkj |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 20:47 - Jul 3 by Ryorry |
Are EVs now being manufactured with some kind of warning noise?
The thought of one whizzing down our local, hilly, blind bends & brows single track lanes at the same speed as petrol/diesel ones, is full-on scary for us dog-walkers & horse-riders, whose only warning to jump into the undergrowth is the roar of the engine. |
There is a degree of artificial noise with EVs for safety reasons, however, most of them have automatic collision protection anyway - and it is really flipping good too (on my car). Had a deer jump out infront of me near Dennington and the car breaking sharp with warning sound went off before I clocked the Deer. |  |
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| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 07:02 - Jul 4 with 1455 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Fair enough because they cause added congestion. If you’re daft enough to buy an electric car you’ll still need a proper car for longer journies. | |
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| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 07:38 - Jul 4 with 1422 views | wkj |
| Electric vehicles to pay full congestion charge. on 07:02 - Jul 4 by ElephantintheRoom |
Fair enough because they cause added congestion. If you’re daft enough to buy an electric car you’ll still need a proper car for longer journies. |
The fact you have an opinion that isn't necessarily true makes me feel justified. 30min from 20% to 80% charge in 30 minutes with 300 miles top range (260 cold weather) [Post edited 4 Jul 2024 7:47]
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