| Emily Thornberry 09:11 - Jul 6 with 5264 views | DJR |
It hasn't got much coverage but Emily Thornberry (as Shadow Attorney General) appears to be the only shadow cabinet member not to be appointed to her post.
She's probably too much of a maverick for her own good, but it looks like this may have sealed her fate.
https://www.irishnews.com/news/uk/starmer-rejects-thornberry-suggestion-private-
For my own part, it seems to me to be evidence of a sort of control-freakery which is rather distasteful, and not good for a healthily functioning goverment. [Post edited 6 Jul 2024 9:12]
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| Emily Thornberry on 09:49 - Jul 6 with 4029 views | Ryorry |
I find your use of the term “control freakery” quite distasteful actually. PMs make such decisions about their cabinets all the time, often loyalty’s an element in their decision making, and you’ve no evidence to support what you’re saying anyway. [Post edited 6 Jul 2024 9:51]
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| Emily Thornberry on 09:52 - Jul 6 with 4002 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Emily Thornberry on 09:49 - Jul 6 by Ryorry |
I find your use of the term “control freakery” quite distasteful actually. PMs make such decisions about their cabinets all the time, often loyalty’s an element in their decision making, and you’ve no evidence to support what you’re saying anyway. [Post edited 6 Jul 2024 9:51]
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You've not been paying attention. DJR has evidenced this on multiple occasions. |  |
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| Emily Thornberry on 09:56 - Jul 6 with 3967 views | Ryorry |
| Emily Thornberry on 09:52 - Jul 6 by BanksterDebtSlave |
You've not been paying attention. DJR has evidenced this on multiple occasions. |
PM selecting cabinet members of his choice cannot be described as “control freakery” by any stretch. | |
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| Emily Thornberry on 09:59 - Jul 6 with 3919 views | Zx1988 |
What's so control-freakish about it? PMs have always had free reign to select whoever they want for their cabinet, for whatever reason.
The school fees gaffe ended up being utterly benign, but was utterly avoidable and could have done a lot more damage in a tighter race against a stronger opposition. |  |
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| Emily Thornberry on 10:00 - Jul 6 with 3913 views | DanTheMan |
Slightly off topic but nice to see an actual barrister as Attorney General. |  |
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| Emily Thornberry on 10:06 - Jul 6 with 3873 views | NeedhamChris |
| Emily Thornberry on 10:00 - Jul 6 by DanTheMan |
Slightly off topic but nice to see an actual barrister as Attorney General. |
Not sure it's off topic at all.
Starmer has more options now than yesterday had prior to being in power. Emily Thornberry has been replaced by someone with more relevant experience. | |
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| Emily Thornberry on 10:11 - Jul 6 with 3825 views | Zx1988 |
| Emily Thornberry on 10:06 - Jul 6 by NeedhamChris |
Not sure it's off topic at all.
Starmer has more options now than yesterday had prior to being in power. Emily Thornberry has been replaced by someone with more relevant experience. |
That's a good point.
I'd forgotten that Hermer isn't an MP and, therefore, will require a peerage to take up the role. KS couldn't really have used him as Shadow AG, so it makes sense that Thornberry may have been a willing placeholder pending the election. | |
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| Emily Thornberry on 10:16 - Jul 6 with 3774 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Emily Thornberry on 10:06 - Jul 6 by NeedhamChris |
Not sure it's off topic at all.
Starmer has more options now than yesterday had prior to being in power. Emily Thornberry has been replaced by someone with more relevant experience. |
More fun to imagine Starmer is really Ernst Blofeld though
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| Emily Thornberry on 10:33 - Jul 6 with 3680 views | DJR |
| Emily Thornberry on 10:00 - Jul 6 by DanTheMan |
Slightly off topic but nice to see an actual barrister as Attorney General. |
Emily Thornberry is a barrister too, as have been all holders of the office of Attorney General this century, and presumably previously, although I haven't checked.
As it is, the Attorney General tends to rely heavily on others for legal opinions. | | | |
| Emily Thornberry on 11:10 - Jul 6 with 3589 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Emily Thornberry on 10:33 - Jul 6 by DJR |
Emily Thornberry is a barrister too, as have been all holders of the office of Attorney General this century, and presumably previously, although I haven't checked.
As it is, the Attorney General tends to rely heavily on others for legal opinions. |
She doesn’t ever seem to have recovered from white van man-gate. She typified that Islington bourgeois image (with a whiff of contempt for the patrioic working class) that Starmer worked hard to shake off. | | | |
| Emily Thornberry on 11:13 - Jul 6 with 3569 views | DJR |
| Emily Thornberry on 11:10 - Jul 6 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
She doesn’t ever seem to have recovered from white van man-gate. She typified that Islington bourgeois image (with a whiff of contempt for the patrioic working class) that Starmer worked hard to shake off. |
She actually went to a secondary modern school, so was perhaps not really the elitist she was made out to be. [Post edited 6 Jul 2024 11:18]
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| Emily Thornberry on 11:21 - Jul 6 with 3525 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Emily Thornberry on 11:13 - Jul 6 by DJR |
She actually went to a secondary modern school, so was perhaps not really the elitist she was made out to be. [Post edited 6 Jul 2024 11:18]
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I mean it was a fairly elitist tweet if taken at face value, from someone who’s lived in Islington for decades with a multimillionaire, property portfolio owning husband. And to my point yesterday regarding hypocrisy, chose not to send her own daughter to the local state school.
Edit - I didn’t mean to restart old debates about Labour losing the working class/red wall. Simply observing she never came back to prominence following the ill advised tweet. [Post edited 6 Jul 2024 11:23]
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| Emily Thornberry on 11:28 - Jul 6 with 3473 views | DJR |
| Emily Thornberry on 11:21 - Jul 6 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I mean it was a fairly elitist tweet if taken at face value, from someone who’s lived in Islington for decades with a multimillionaire, property portfolio owning husband. And to my point yesterday regarding hypocrisy, chose not to send her own daughter to the local state school.
Edit - I didn’t mean to restart old debates about Labour losing the working class/red wall. Simply observing she never came back to prominence following the ill advised tweet. [Post edited 6 Jul 2024 11:23]
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No worries. I suppose I just despair at the fact that is is what I regard as non-policy issues that trump everything. The bacon sandwich springs to mind, and this time round D-Daygate and gamblegate.
To me it just represents a dumbing down of political discourse which wouldn't have gone on 50 years ago because policy was the defining issue. [Post edited 6 Jul 2024 11:29]
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| Emily Thornberry on 11:36 - Jul 6 with 3450 views | factual_blue |
| Emily Thornberry on 11:28 - Jul 6 by DJR |
No worries. I suppose I just despair at the fact that is is what I regard as non-policy issues that trump everything. The bacon sandwich springs to mind, and this time round D-Daygate and gamblegate.
To me it just represents a dumbing down of political discourse which wouldn't have gone on 50 years ago because policy was the defining issue. [Post edited 6 Jul 2024 11:29]
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Non-policy issues have always affected ministerial level appointments. My guess would be Starmer is aware of Emily Thornberry's views on various matters, and sees her as 'too political'.
The real point there is, given the way the tories now behave, they would attack him and her constantly about that, rather than accept the old convention that the AG is a non-political office. |  |
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| Emily Thornberry on 11:39 - Jul 6 with 3427 views | Ryorry |
| Emily Thornberry on 11:28 - Jul 6 by DJR |
No worries. I suppose I just despair at the fact that is is what I regard as non-policy issues that trump everything. The bacon sandwich springs to mind, and this time round D-Daygate and gamblegate.
To me it just represents a dumbing down of political discourse which wouldn't have gone on 50 years ago because policy was the defining issue. [Post edited 6 Jul 2024 11:29]
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Not deliberately gunnig for you this morning! but with respect, bacon-sandwich-gate was a totally different matter to Sunak's awful disrespect to D-day commemorations; & several MPs corrupt betting.
The first was purely personal derogatory comments aimed at someone's eating habits caught at a moment in time; the second & third were political issues which were legitimately scrutinised - & found very wanting. | |
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| Emily Thornberry on 11:39 - Jul 6 with 3425 views | DJR |
| Emily Thornberry on 11:36 - Jul 6 by factual_blue |
Non-policy issues have always affected ministerial level appointments. My guess would be Starmer is aware of Emily Thornberry's views on various matters, and sees her as 'too political'.
The real point there is, given the way the tories now behave, they would attack him and her constantly about that, rather than accept the old convention that the AG is a non-political office. |
Probably too tied up with the Corbyn regime too, for the leadership's liking. | | | |
| Emily Thornberry on 11:47 - Jul 6 with 3387 views | NeedhamChris |
| Emily Thornberry on 11:39 - Jul 6 by DJR |
Probably too tied up with the Corbyn regime too, for the leadership's liking. |
One day in and you're looking to put a negative spin on everything already. | |
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| Emily Thornberry on 11:48 - Jul 6 with 3376 views | positivity |
| Emily Thornberry on 10:00 - Jul 6 by DanTheMan |
Slightly off topic but nice to see an actual barrister as Attorney General. |
getting in vallance is an encouraging move too, involving experts and serious people is the polar opposite to the tory approach. nice to have some adults back in the room | |
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| Emily Thornberry on 11:54 - Jul 6 with 3328 views | DJR |
| Emily Thornberry on 11:47 - Jul 6 by NeedhamChris |
One day in and you're looking to put a negative spin on everything already. |
As a member of the Labour Party for nearly 40 years (until the Autumn), I am probably entitled more than most to make such an observation, especially given the fact that it is the control freakery which led to my resignation.
As it is, the Emily Thornberry issue has got very little traction, so my musings don't really make any difference at all, and I am sure that many would be delighted about what has happened to her, if they knew. [Post edited 6 Jul 2024 12:20]
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| Emily Thornberry on 11:55 - Jul 6 with 3315 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Emily Thornberry on 11:13 - Jul 6 by DJR |
She actually went to a secondary modern school, so was perhaps not really the elitist she was made out to be. [Post edited 6 Jul 2024 11:18]
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Unless her father was a tool maker she is part of the bourgeoisie.; |  |
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| Emily Thornberry on 12:05 - Jul 6 with 3267 views | J2BLUE |
Starmer has appointed people with experience and the relevant knowledge.
To me, it seems more likely he will let them get on with it rather than micro manage. |  |
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| Emily Thornberry on 12:22 - Jul 6 with 3187 views | Vegtablue |
I didn't pay full attention to the campaign but recall her being quite sloppy across the detail, or at least being called out by certain media as such. Personally, in media performances over the years I've found her to be quite prone to off-the-cuff, throwaway remarks when ruffled, so it isn't a shock to me that Keir's seen reasons to change. I thought she often lacked discipline in her own arguments, which delivered more entertainment value for me but rarely screamed professionalism.
*Shouldn't judge based on a smattering of TV and radio appearances so apologies to Thornberry for the above view. | | | |
| Emily Thornberry on 12:27 - Jul 6 with 3169 views | lowhouseblue |
| Emily Thornberry on 12:22 - Jul 6 by Vegtablue |
I didn't pay full attention to the campaign but recall her being quite sloppy across the detail, or at least being called out by certain media as such. Personally, in media performances over the years I've found her to be quite prone to off-the-cuff, throwaway remarks when ruffled, so it isn't a shock to me that Keir's seen reasons to change. I thought she often lacked discipline in her own arguments, which delivered more entertainment value for me but rarely screamed professionalism.
*Shouldn't judge based on a smattering of TV and radio appearances so apologies to Thornberry for the above view. |
she is an accident waiting to happen (and that's without mentioning that she was one of the 38 idiots who nominated corbyn as leader). |  |
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| Emily Thornberry on 12:31 - Jul 6 with 3132 views | DJR |
| Emily Thornberry on 11:39 - Jul 6 by Ryorry |
Not deliberately gunnig for you this morning! but with respect, bacon-sandwich-gate was a totally different matter to Sunak's awful disrespect to D-day commemorations; & several MPs corrupt betting.
The first was purely personal derogatory comments aimed at someone's eating habits caught at a moment in time; the second & third were political issues which were legitimately scrutinised - & found very wanting. |
No worries at all. But I would argue that they were not political in this sense of the meaning of the word.
relating to the ideas or strategies of a particular party or group in politics
As it is, for me it is policy that matters, and there was very little proper discussion of policy during the election campaign. | | | |
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