| Brilliant Southgate another semi final 19:44 - Jul 6 with 9081 views | BloomBlue |
Fantastic record as an England manager, amazing the failures we've had to suffer with all the other England managers since Sir Alf but Southgate gets us to qtrs and semi's consistently |  | | |  |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 11:45 - Jul 7 with 1428 views | blueislander |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 11:38 - Jul 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
They do what they're instructed to do by the manager. If they don't then he's a poor motivator. Our players would run through brick walls for McKenna. |
There are supposedly top class players, and I don’t think Southgate would deny them the chance to express themselves. He doesn’t seem to be that type of person, and it appears that he has the respect of the players. Why they have played the way they have I don’t believe is his fault.. |  | | |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 11:54 - Jul 7 with 1389 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 11:33 - Jul 7 by blueislander |
The coach picks the team and gives them a formation , but I doubt whether he tells them to be lethargic . The England teams have been packed with attack minded players, and yet they have played very conservatively. They have reached the semi final notwithstanding. I think we will get past Holland, but on current form will lose to Spain. If it pans out that way, no doubt it will be the manager’s ult. |
Surely you don’t genuinely believe that tempo, patterns of play, and dynamism are set by the players - if so you should have warned Ashton not to quadruple McKenna’s contact. 5m quid a year just to select a few players.
A quite staggering coincidence, that all the players who’ve been in and played for Southgate over the last 8 years have decided to play the same largely cautious, slow build football. | | | |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 11:54 - Jul 7 with 1391 views | SE1blue |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 10:39 - Jul 7 by blueislander |
Why all the blame on Southgate? Do the players bear no responsibility for the poor performances? |
There are players who are clearly not fit that Southgate is putting on the pitch and/or keeping on the pitch way too long.
Kane and Bellingham look fried and are being overplayed. Their inconsistency is clearly going to impact how the others are allowed, or able, to perform. Look at the difference when Eze, Palmer and Toney come on and these guys are always reactionary moves, not proactively put in.
That’s definitely on Southgate. |  |
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| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 11:55 - Jul 7 with 1390 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 11:45 - Jul 7 by blueislander |
There are supposedly top class players, and I don’t think Southgate would deny them the chance to express themselves. He doesn’t seem to be that type of person, and it appears that he has the respect of the players. Why they have played the way they have I don’t believe is his fault.. |
Well, that's a weird take. Most people would say a team plays how the manager wants them to play. They don't play so lethargically, so uncreatively and so reservedly/cautiously for their clubs, so what's the main difference? The manager.
Look at his substitutions and how late they are for more evidence of how he's risk-averse, and that has nothing to do with the players. |  |
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| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 11:57 - Jul 7 with 1384 views | SE1blue |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 22:29 - Jul 6 by Ewan_Oozami |
Indeed, according to FIFA, as of 20th June 2024, England are the 5th highest ranked national team in the world, behind:
1. Argentina
2. France
3. Belgium
4. Brazil
https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men?dateId=id14338
I guess that just proves Southgate's a rubbish manager then...oh, sorry, I mean the FIFA stats are rubbish..
Edit: - though if we are that good, then surely we should have won something by now?? [Post edited 6 Jul 2024 22:30]
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How Brazil are ranked 4th is bizarre. If there was more competition in South America they’d be nowhere near that position.
Colombia are light years ahead of them right now. | |
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| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 12:16 - Jul 7 with 1346 views | farkenhell |
Looking back at those highlights reminded me that we miss the direct running and movement that Sterling gave us. | | | |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 12:18 - Jul 7 with 1346 views | blueislander |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 11:55 - Jul 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Well, that's a weird take. Most people would say a team plays how the manager wants them to play. They don't play so lethargically, so uncreatively and so reservedly/cautiously for their clubs, so what's the main difference? The manager.
Look at his substitutions and how late they are for more evidence of how he's risk-averse, and that has nothing to do with the players. |
What is wierd is that a manager should pick a team filled with creative and attack minded players, and tell them to play very defensively and conservatively. What would he do if they played in a more uptempo fashion? Drop them? | | | |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 12:27 - Jul 7 with 1319 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 12:18 - Jul 7 by blueislander |
What is wierd is that a manager should pick a team filled with creative and attack minded players, and tell them to play very defensively and conservatively. What would he do if they played in a more uptempo fashion? Drop them? |
‘The players are at fault for not ignoring the manager’s instructions’ is one of the weirder defences of Southgate that I’ve seen. | | | |
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| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 12:29 - Jul 7 with 1313 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 12:18 - Jul 7 by blueislander |
What is wierd is that a manager should pick a team filled with creative and attack minded players, and tell them to play very defensively and conservatively. What would he do if they played in a more uptempo fashion? Drop them? |
I don't know, but the conservative approach comes from the manager, definitely. If the players are just doing what they want rather than what they're told then that's poor management as well. | |
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| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 13:04 - Jul 7 with 1286 views | blueislander |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 12:29 - Jul 7 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I don't know, but the conservative approach comes from the manager, definitely. If the players are just doing what they want rather than what they're told then that's poor management as well. |
A bit of a conundrum isn’t it. What I don’t get is the constant criticism of Southgate, and none for the players.. | | | |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 13:10 - Jul 7 with 1278 views | SE1blue |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 13:04 - Jul 7 by blueislander |
A bit of a conundrum isn’t it. What I don’t get is the constant criticism of Southgate, and none for the players.. |
There is definitely criticism of the players as well. This is a thread about 'Brilliant Southgate'.
Someone's questioning if Foden is world class on another thread, there's another about Kane's woeful performance yesterday and others haven't escaped it on here and different platforms.
For me, only Saka, Pickford, Konsa and the subs came out of yesterday's match with any glory yesterday. [Post edited 7 Jul 2024 13:10]
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| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 13:27 - Jul 7 with 1257 views | Whos_blue |
I'll stick my neck out for Southgate too.
I think he came in at a time when the national team were all over the place. We mustn't forget who he replaced. Sam freakin' Allardyce. Just let that sink in. Sam Allardyce was the preferred candidate for the top job in England.
For many of us of a certain age, Euro 96 was our greatest memory of England football. It came off the back of not qualifying for WC94.
But even that tournament started with a poor game against the Swiss. The Scotland game was legendary as much for Gazza's goal as anything else. Possibly the best performance we've seen in recent history was against the Dutch and we struggled past Spain.
Since El Tel, we've had 11 different managers.
None of whom have managed to get much of a tune from any England squad.
That was until Southgate came along and steadied the ship.
His record really does speak for itself. Has he won anything? No, but neither have the 17 managers since SAR. Is the football sometimes painful to watch? Yes, but doesn't that apply to most England managers overall, bar a few golden moments of course?
There is no getting away from the fact that Southgate has done a good job overall when applying purely a statistic based analysis. But we all know it isn't always based on stats. Passion and excitement come into it too. This is where the question mark over Southgate remains.
Other than Spain, none of the so-called "big" teams have set this tournament alight. Arguably, it's been the so called "smaller" teams who have provided the excitement.
We've reached another semi final of major tournament. In some ways it doesn't matter how we got here. I suspect Italy, Germany and Belgium would like to be still playing this week. We are.
It's not always pretty. It divides opinion. But it's England. [Post edited 7 Jul 2024 13:34]
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| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 13:48 - Jul 7 with 1226 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 13:04 - Jul 7 by blueislander |
A bit of a conundrum isn’t it. What I don’t get is the constant criticism of Southgate, and none for the players.. |
It's not a conundrum to most of us.
And anyway, the idea that there's been no criticism of the players is just bonkers.
I think your argument is failing, TBH, and now you're flailing around trying to make something stick. | |
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| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 14:27 - Jul 7 with 1196 views | cressi |
Bloomblue nothing like being divisive Think any half decent manager with the players at Southgates disposal would have won something. Also no other great sides out there since Spain 2010.
France decent Germany Italy not what they were. | | | |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 07:39 - Jul 11 with 985 views | chicoazul |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 20:34 - Jul 6 by chicoazul |
Do bad managers get to 3 semi finals? |
Do bad managers get to 2 euro finals in a row? |  |
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| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 09:04 - Jul 11 with 928 views | BloomBlue |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 14:27 - Jul 7 by cressi |
Bloomblue nothing like being divisive Think any half decent manager with the players at Southgates disposal would have won something. Also no other great sides out there since Spain 2010.
France decent Germany Italy not what they were. |
England have had plenty of decent managers with fantastic squads and they didn't reach a final. England had been searching for a goal scorer for a long time and Lineker came along. Many experts believe Gascoigne is England's most gifted footballer ever, Robson had both and failed to reach a final.
Now most England fans wanted Clough not Robson, and I got fed up with the number of them who told me if England had gone with Clough instead of Robson, given the players Robson had, Clough would have won the WC and Euros | | | |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 09:46 - Jul 11 with 896 views | Europablue |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 20:18 - Jul 6 by Vegtablue |
Croatia were smashed in the final by France and Italy failed to even make the World Cup afterwards, so you're not far out really. Quite incredible the teams we've played in Gareth's knockouts compared to earlier tournaments, when genuine contenders habitually shepherded us home at L16 or QF stage. Remember Spain pummelling Italy in the last Euros in all but scoreline, which then gave us our chance to sadly choke at Wembley.
Still, when you have the individual brilliance we do 'get out of jail' cards are always possible, as we've seen twice already. Long may it continue (just not with Gareth please). |
Just look at Germany, probably the second best team at the tournament. They narrowly lost the Quarter Final to the best side.
I think you have to give Gareth credit for what he has done well. I think he chose a good squad. He has built an amazing togetherness and team spirit. It isn't a coincidence that we have been so good at getting back into matches. Even against the Netherlands, he left the substitutions a bit late, he probably should have made the substitutions about 10 minutes earlier, this time it worked out, against Switzerland the pressure told before the substitutions.
The performance against the Netherlands was great and Southgate deserves his share of the praise.
Southgate said that he wants to be loved. He doesn't have to win it to be loved, he just needs to be fearless and back us to win it when we are on top. Italy were a much easier proposition than Spain are. We still have a good chance even though Spain are the favourites. We are depending on luck and magic from our top performers. | | | |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 10:23 - Jul 11 with 863 views | MattinLondon |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 09:46 - Jul 11 by Europablue |
Just look at Germany, probably the second best team at the tournament. They narrowly lost the Quarter Final to the best side.
I think you have to give Gareth credit for what he has done well. I think he chose a good squad. He has built an amazing togetherness and team spirit. It isn't a coincidence that we have been so good at getting back into matches. Even against the Netherlands, he left the substitutions a bit late, he probably should have made the substitutions about 10 minutes earlier, this time it worked out, against Switzerland the pressure told before the substitutions.
The performance against the Netherlands was great and Southgate deserves his share of the praise.
Southgate said that he wants to be loved. He doesn't have to win it to be loved, he just needs to be fearless and back us to win it when we are on top. Italy were a much easier proposition than Spain are. We still have a good chance even though Spain are the favourites. We are depending on luck and magic from our top performers. |
Southgate has installed an amazing team spirit as well as a sense of togetherness which previous England teams have lacked. The most obvious example being the team labelled the ‘golden generation’ who were more interested in club rivalries and were probably not football intelligent enough to play well together.
It’s not lucky that we are in the final - we have the players who are fully capable to pull some magic out of the bag. But I do think that Southgate is far too reactive to opposition changes rather than proactive and forcing the hand of the opposition coaches. Plus he has a tendency to sit back and defend a lead, which has been costly in the past. |  | | |
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