| Brilliant Southgate another semi final 19:44 - Jul 6 with 9090 views | BloomBlue |
Fantastic record as an England manager, amazing the failures we've had to suffer with all the other England managers since Sir Alf but Southgate gets us to qtrs and semi's consistently |  | | |  |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 21:25 - Jul 6 with 1784 views | gtsb1966 |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 21:06 - Jul 6 by BloomBlue |
Mgrs often make changes when the team is behind, McKenna did it a few times last season, based on that you obviously don't rate McKenna |
Totally different and you know it. It has been a lot easier over the last three tournaments for Southgate to win a trophy than it has been for KM to get us to the Premier league. Southgate has messed up up to now. Italy and Croatia were so winnable. Hopefully in just over a weeks time England will be champions though. Southgate...nice man, poor coach. |  | | |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 21:27 - Jul 6 with 1770 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 21:20 - Jul 6 by Swansea_Blue |
It’s a strange hill to die on, but go for it. None of the favoured teams have properly turned up this tournament. |
But I was told that all the other teams were playing better than us when I said it was unreasonable to expect England to be both effective and good to watch.
I agree with you, none of the teams has a standout group of players that should be winning the tournament hands down and that includes England. Even the unfancied sides have a group of good players that are effective at playing a system and stopping the opposition. It hasn't been a good watch generally. Occasionally a few good bits of skill on show but few and far between. |  |
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| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 21:47 - Jul 6 with 1739 views | Vic |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 20:15 - Jul 6 by MattinLondon |
Put it like this, after England I’ll be very surprised if he gets a job in the PL or even with an ambitious championship side. |
I think he’s a good national and tournament manager.
Not sure how good he’ll be back on club management. |  |
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| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 21:47 - Jul 6 with 1739 views | ReusersTown |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 20:33 - Jul 6 by Stewart27 |
So you’re comparing the fact that Robson had an easy run and lost to a quality team to the fact that Southgate has had an easy run and will lose to a quality team.
Right, ok then. |
My point is about tournament football as a while under Southgate which you seem to have missed. And is in response to this who keep parroting that Southgate is one of our best managers, completely ignoring all context to his results. That Italy team and Croatia are quality teams to you are they? Interesting if so. |  | | |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 21:52 - Jul 6 with 1727 views | ReusersTown |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 20:34 - Jul 6 by chicoazul |
Do bad managers get to 3 semi finals? |
Apparently so if they're continuously able to fluke easy draws. Can you tell me one difficult game he's won to get to these semi finals? | | | |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 21:52 - Jul 6 with 1727 views | Vegtablue |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 21:25 - Jul 6 by gtsb1966 |
Totally different and you know it. It has been a lot easier over the last three tournaments for Southgate to win a trophy than it has been for KM to get us to the Premier league. Southgate has messed up up to now. Italy and Croatia were so winnable. Hopefully in just over a weeks time England will be champions though. Southgate...nice man, poor coach. |
The impression given is some don't feel calibre of players is relevant, be it those at our disposal or those we face. All players are equal and may the best manager win. Maresca should have won the manager of the season award because Leicester finished 2 points above us. Coventry had a tougher task in the 5th Rd against Maidstone than they would have had against us, because we were knocked out fair and square after all. Easier or harder draws don't exist, because every team plays the same number of games to get to any stage of the competition. Each England team has the same ability and faces the same difficulty level as the next or previous one.
I think squad talent is an important part of the jigsaw and so find this thinking odd, but we're all entitled to our thoughts. | | | |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 21:54 - Jul 6 with 1720 views | Vic |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 20:49 - Jul 6 by wkj |
I won't pretend that England are brilliant, but this team is capable of doing it. Foden, Bellingham and Palmer on at the same time was working really well. I had the benefit of only watching from 1 minute before we scored, but I though we looked miles better than we have previously at that point.
We shall see though, I think we've had the easier run on paper, but Turkey will be a challenge, and if we win it - it could be exactly the kind of challenge need before a final. |
Indeed - going to be very tough to beat them. | |
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| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 22:00 - Jul 6 with 1697 views | tonybied |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 21:54 - Jul 6 by Vic |
Indeed - going to be very tough to beat them. |
Impossible you'd think! |  | | |
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| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 22:00 - Jul 6 with 1698 views | MattinLondon |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 21:47 - Jul 6 by Vic |
I think he’s a good national and tournament manager.
Not sure how good he’ll be back on club management. |
He’ll be absolutely terrible. |  | | |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 22:29 - Jul 6 with 1667 views | Ewan_Oozami |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 21:00 - Jul 6 by GeoffSentence |
Given Englands ranking, that is a bit like asking how many league games McKenna has won against teams who finished above us. |
Indeed, according to FIFA, as of 20th June 2024, England are the 5th highest ranked national team in the world, behind:
1. Argentina
2. France
3. Belgium
4. Brazil
https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men?dateId=id14338
I guess that just proves Southgate's a rubbish manager then...oh, sorry, I mean the FIFA stats are rubbish..
Edit: - though if we are that good, then surely we should have won something by now?? [Post edited 6 Jul 2024 22:30]
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| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 22:38 - Jul 6 with 1644 views | Vegtablue |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 22:29 - Jul 6 by Ewan_Oozami |
Indeed, according to FIFA, as of 20th June 2024, England are the 5th highest ranked national team in the world, behind:
1. Argentina
2. France
3. Belgium
4. Brazil
https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men?dateId=id14338
I guess that just proves Southgate's a rubbish manager then...oh, sorry, I mean the FIFA stats are rubbish..
Edit: - though if we are that good, then surely we should have won something by now?? [Post edited 6 Jul 2024 22:30]
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England having the highest squad value of any national team in the world, €1 billion higher than 10th ranked Belgium, surely is of little to no relevance lol. | | | |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 07:23 - Jul 7 with 1544 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 21:47 - Jul 6 by ReusersTown |
My point is about tournament football as a while under Southgate which you seem to have missed. And is in response to this who keep parroting that Southgate is one of our best managers, completely ignoring all context to his results. That Italy team and Croatia are quality teams to you are they? Interesting if so. |
So England were lucky to get deep in those tournaments by not playing anyone good, but then the teams we lost to were also rubbish
For the record, that Croatia side had two of the best players in the world running the game in midfield, supplemented by a number of other quality players (Lovren, Brozovic, Perisic, Mandzukic). Not a poor team
And Italy may have floundered a bit since Euro 2020(21) but they were an excellent side at that tournament, 33(!) games unbeaten going into the final, clearly a formidable opponent. We ended it the most professional of professional fouls from Chiellini and then penalties away from winning
If the teams reaching the latter stages of major tournaments aren’t any good then who on earth are the good teams? |  |
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| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 07:27 - Jul 7 with 1535 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 22:29 - Jul 6 by Ewan_Oozami |
Indeed, according to FIFA, as of 20th June 2024, England are the 5th highest ranked national team in the world, behind:
1. Argentina
2. France
3. Belgium
4. Brazil
https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men?dateId=id14338
I guess that just proves Southgate's a rubbish manager then...oh, sorry, I mean the FIFA stats are rubbish..
Edit: - though if we are that good, then surely we should have won something by now?? [Post edited 6 Jul 2024 22:30]
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We’ve been ranked in the top 5 since October 2018
There’s only been 2 major tournaments in that time and we made the final of one, and lost in the QF’s of the other to another team in the top 5 that who we outplayed, and now in the semis again.
It’s (obviously) very difficult to win international tournaments, they only come around every couple of years and for top teams generally come down to 1 or 2 fine margin games - but France and Argentina aside no team in the world has consistently threatened as much as we have in that time | |
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| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 07:36 - Jul 7 with 1526 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
I see your trolling. The words "brilliant" and "Southgate" should be nowhere near each other, he's fluked his way through this tournament, and the only half decent thing about this England team is they defend quite well.
Watching England, particularly after watching McKennaball after 2.5 years, is like a punishment. |  |
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| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 08:45 - Jul 7 with 1485 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 21:25 - Jul 6 by gtsb1966 |
Totally different and you know it. It has been a lot easier over the last three tournaments for Southgate to win a trophy than it has been for KM to get us to the Premier league. Southgate has messed up up to now. Italy and Croatia were so winnable. Hopefully in just over a weeks time England will be champions though. Southgate...nice man, poor coach. |
Italy was the one - totally unforgivable for me.
Croatia were a very good side, and had superstars that we did not. | | | |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 09:29 - Jul 7 with 1450 views | farkenhell |
Sorry, didn't mean to downvote you. Fat fingers. Remedied. | | | |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 10:18 - Jul 7 with 1410 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
We’ve stank out the tournament, so have France though.
He’s made some world class talent completely impotent, and thanks to the expanded tournament we’ve had a run of playing dross. As soon as we face someone decent we’ll wilt, we are registering only a couple of shots on target all game. Very nice guy, but terrible coach, as evidenced by the patterns of play. He was a mediocre club manager, and will continue to be so after England. Appreciate his service, and to be honest I’m not that invested in international football, I just don’t see that he’s ‘brilliant’.
We won’t win the tournament, so he’ll remain trophyless. The ‘second most successful England manager’ is a hollow one in my opinion, nobody (apart from Norwich) puts ‘semi finalists’ on their list of honours. International football is all or nothing. | | | |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 10:39 - Jul 7 with 1387 views | blueislander |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 10:18 - Jul 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
We’ve stank out the tournament, so have France though.
He’s made some world class talent completely impotent, and thanks to the expanded tournament we’ve had a run of playing dross. As soon as we face someone decent we’ll wilt, we are registering only a couple of shots on target all game. Very nice guy, but terrible coach, as evidenced by the patterns of play. He was a mediocre club manager, and will continue to be so after England. Appreciate his service, and to be honest I’m not that invested in international football, I just don’t see that he’s ‘brilliant’.
We won’t win the tournament, so he’ll remain trophyless. The ‘second most successful England manager’ is a hollow one in my opinion, nobody (apart from Norwich) puts ‘semi finalists’ on their list of honours. International football is all or nothing. |
Why all the blame on Southgate? Do the players bear no responsibility for the poor performances? | | | |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 10:52 - Jul 7 with 1374 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 10:39 - Jul 7 by blueislander |
Why all the blame on Southgate? Do the players bear no responsibility for the poor performances? |
Some, but he picked them (and largely refuses to mix it up). He’s picked players out of position, others that appear injured or unfit, and didn’t bring backup at left back leaving us unbalanced. The whole lethargy, lack of tempo is almost definitely on GS, as we’ve played largely the same for his entire tenure. We look defensively sound to give him his credit, but the build up play is just dreadful.
He even said his coaching is ‘more about respect and empathy than improving players’. Nice bloke, good motivator, but clearly a bang average coach. | | | |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 11:00 - Jul 7 with 1355 views | blueislander |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 10:52 - Jul 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Some, but he picked them (and largely refuses to mix it up). He’s picked players out of position, others that appear injured or unfit, and didn’t bring backup at left back leaving us unbalanced. The whole lethargy, lack of tempo is almost definitely on GS, as we’ve played largely the same for his entire tenure. We look defensively sound to give him his credit, but the build up play is just dreadful.
He even said his coaching is ‘more about respect and empathy than improving players’. Nice bloke, good motivator, but clearly a bang average coach. |
Why is the lethargy all on Southgate? Are the players unable to recognise that this is not working? | | | |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 11:13 - Jul 7 with 1328 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 11:00 - Jul 7 by blueislander |
Why is the lethargy all on Southgate? Are the players unable to recognise that this is not working? |
I’m sure some of the players do realise it’s not effective…what is you think a coach does exactly? | | | |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 11:33 - Jul 7 with 1302 views | blueislander |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 11:13 - Jul 7 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
I’m sure some of the players do realise it’s not effective…what is you think a coach does exactly? |
The coach picks the team and gives them a formation , but I doubt whether he tells them to be lethargic . The England teams have been packed with attack minded players, and yet they have played very conservatively. They have reached the semi final notwithstanding. I think we will get past Holland, but on current form will lose to Spain. If it pans out that way, no doubt it will be the manager’s ult. | | | |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 11:38 - Jul 7 with 1294 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 11:00 - Jul 7 by blueislander |
Why is the lethargy all on Southgate? Are the players unable to recognise that this is not working? |
They do what they're instructed to do by the manager. If they don't then he's a poor motivator. Our players would run through brick walls for McKenna. | |
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| Brilliant Southgate another semi final on 11:41 - Jul 7 with 1280 views | rickw |
Southgate has strengths and weaknesses as a manager. He initially removed the fear factor of playing for England and created a good team spirit, he's also done great with the psychology of penalty shoot-outs.
On the downside he's poor tactically, yesterday he couldn't work out how to beat a 343 system so copied it. Also his subs are terrible, after us being better in the first half after 51 mins I said we need to make changes as Switzerland are getting on top, 15 mins later I said if we don't change soon they'll score, then they scored... Why couldn't Southgate see that? He then made 3 attacking subs and we got the game back, if he'd have made 1 or 2 before then maybe we could have scored and not conceded. |  |
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