| How is repeatedly whipping a horse 07:08 - Jul 24 with 27763 views | bluelagos |
An error of judgement? Has also been said to be out of character.
ITV showing the video and it's clear her actions were not a one off, rather a method of training that were the norm for decorated Olympian Charlotte Dujardin.
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 21:16 - Jul 24 with 2234 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 15:19 - Jul 24 by eireblue |
I also wanted to tackle the free range thing:
Your farmed animal that is even free range, will typically still be having most of its food from feed.
That feed is usually a combination of things including grains, pulses and beans.
To deliver protein to a human, it is more efficient in terms of land and water to eat beans etc directly, not have an animal eat and store the protein for you.
All that extra land and water that is used to feed your animals, is land that is taken away from the environment and placing that land into the factory farming industry.
So environments that contain animals, are increasingly being destroyed to create animal feed.
These animals don’t get re-homed.
And of course, that has an impact on climate change, which impacts the human mammal. |
This is why I became vegan and then vegetarian 40 odd years ago. |  |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 21:55 - Jul 24 with 2213 views | eireblue |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 21:02 - Jul 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
"They do know they are going to their death."
Extraordinary claim that, do you have any evidence? |
Yes.
What do you think fear is?
What do you think fight/flight/freeze responses are for, especially in prey animals.
And you do know mammals can smell blood, and have a reaction to that.
Have you seen the studies on Elephants morning their dead?
As I said before, you can write poems about fear of death. Other mammals can’t.
But the part of your brain that fears being eaten by a predator, is from a common mammalian ancestor. That is an evolutionary fact.
If you really want to, watch some videos of cows trying to escape abattoirs.
Then, if you want to read some scientific papers on why they recommend laying out abattoirs in certain ways, so animals don’t see the other animals being killed.
So back to you, in my sample question, pig or horse? |  | | |
| Ha! That's rich coming from you... on 22:03 - Jul 24 with 2191 views | Bloots |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 16:34 - Jul 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Has me on ignore but still happy to give me abuse from behind that veil of safety.
And the sanctimonious tvvat has only been veggie 5 minutes. |
....you reckon you've got me on ignore, but you've still managed to call me a "pr1ck" and a "sad little man" in the last couple of weeks.
Grow up lad, it's only the internet. |  |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 22:06 - Jul 24 with 2203 views | blueasfook |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 21:04 - Jul 24 by The_Flashing_Smile |
I'm amazed you've never heard of free range, farm raised meat, but then it's you, so maybe I'm not. |
Animals
What’s wrong with free-range meat, dairy and eggs?
Rory Cockshaw | 1 March 2023
3 minute reading time
In a nutshell…
“Free-range” is a term used by the meat, dairy, fish and egg industries to convince the public that their products are ethical.
In fact, ‘free range is often poorly defined, poorly enforced and is a set of standards not much better than the minimum welfare requirements for these animals.
Free range animals still live in captivity with their lives cut brutally short in slaughterhouses as soon as they reach the right weight – often only at a few months of age.
We can all simply choose plant-based options instead and let animals live properly wild and free!
Clever marketing ploys run by the meat, dairy and egg industries tell us that their animals are ‘free-range’ and they follow this up by showing us luscious pictures of cows running through fields and chickens living lives of freedom and plenty.
In fact, nothing could be further from the truth.
Free range: What does it mean?
Free-range welfare standards in the UK are hardly any different from the minimum welfare standards that apply to intensively farmed animals. By buying free range, we are falling prey to a marketing ploy designed to keep us buying animal products when, in reality, plant-based is the only way to be cruelty-free.
Take chickens, for example. You would be forgiven for thinking that free range chickens are allowed to roam free, as the name implies.
However, the reality paints a very different picture. A free-range chicken in the UK must satisfy each of these three conditions:
There should be no more than 13 birds per square meter
The chicken should be eight weeks old by the time they are slaughtered
For at least half of the chicken’s short life, they should have daytime access to an open-air run through ‘popholes’ in the side of the barn
To put that into perspective, that means that a single chicken can live with around 5,000 other chickens in a 20-meter by 20-meter barn for four weeks, totally enclosed, before having access to a meagre bit of outside space – shared with the other 5,000 chickens – for another four weeks on top of that. As a result of the chickens’ natural pecking order, some of those at the bottom of their social hierarchy may never even go outside at all. After this brutal life, the chicken is killed for meat. This is ‘free range’! |  |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 22:08 - Jul 24 with 2191 views | blueasfook |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 22:06 - Jul 24 by blueasfook |
Animals
What’s wrong with free-range meat, dairy and eggs?
Rory Cockshaw | 1 March 2023
3 minute reading time
In a nutshell…
“Free-range” is a term used by the meat, dairy, fish and egg industries to convince the public that their products are ethical.
In fact, ‘free range is often poorly defined, poorly enforced and is a set of standards not much better than the minimum welfare requirements for these animals.
Free range animals still live in captivity with their lives cut brutally short in slaughterhouses as soon as they reach the right weight – often only at a few months of age.
We can all simply choose plant-based options instead and let animals live properly wild and free!
Clever marketing ploys run by the meat, dairy and egg industries tell us that their animals are ‘free-range’ and they follow this up by showing us luscious pictures of cows running through fields and chickens living lives of freedom and plenty.
In fact, nothing could be further from the truth.
Free range: What does it mean?
Free-range welfare standards in the UK are hardly any different from the minimum welfare standards that apply to intensively farmed animals. By buying free range, we are falling prey to a marketing ploy designed to keep us buying animal products when, in reality, plant-based is the only way to be cruelty-free.
Take chickens, for example. You would be forgiven for thinking that free range chickens are allowed to roam free, as the name implies.
However, the reality paints a very different picture. A free-range chicken in the UK must satisfy each of these three conditions:
There should be no more than 13 birds per square meter
The chicken should be eight weeks old by the time they are slaughtered
For at least half of the chicken’s short life, they should have daytime access to an open-air run through ‘popholes’ in the side of the barn
To put that into perspective, that means that a single chicken can live with around 5,000 other chickens in a 20-meter by 20-meter barn for four weeks, totally enclosed, before having access to a meagre bit of outside space – shared with the other 5,000 chickens – for another four weeks on top of that. As a result of the chickens’ natural pecking order, some of those at the bottom of their social hierarchy may never even go outside at all. After this brutal life, the chicken is killed for meat. This is ‘free range’! |
Wise up and don't fall for marketing BS in other words | |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 22:33 - Jul 24 with 2166 views | Swansea_Blue |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 22:08 - Jul 24 by blueasfook |
Wise up and don't fall for marketing BS in other words |
The bar may be low, but free range and organic are supposed to have higher welfare standards than intensive barn raised chucks. They get the chance to walk and develop natural behaviours at least. As I say, it’s a low bar but it’s not purely marketing BS. There is a difference.
Edit. I expect whoever wrote that piece misunderstands the regulations around outdoor access. The outdoor access is for half their life time; that’s all that’s specified m. That’ll likely mean 12 hours a day as they’ll roost at night and be locked up then. It makes no sense the way it’s portrayed in your piece. [Post edited 24 Jul 2024 22:56]
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| ‘Lad’ pretty much nailed it though, to be fair.. on 23:24 - Jul 24 with 2127 views | Bigalhunter |
| Ha! That's rich coming from you... on 22:03 - Jul 24 by Bloots |
....you reckon you've got me on ignore, but you've still managed to call me a "pr1ck" and a "sad little man" in the last couple of weeks.
Grow up lad, it's only the internet. |
Enjoy your evening.
Be kind. |  |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 06:40 - Jul 25 with 2005 views | mo_itfc |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 22:06 - Jul 24 by blueasfook |
Animals
What’s wrong with free-range meat, dairy and eggs?
Rory Cockshaw | 1 March 2023
3 minute reading time
In a nutshell…
“Free-range” is a term used by the meat, dairy, fish and egg industries to convince the public that their products are ethical.
In fact, ‘free range is often poorly defined, poorly enforced and is a set of standards not much better than the minimum welfare requirements for these animals.
Free range animals still live in captivity with their lives cut brutally short in slaughterhouses as soon as they reach the right weight – often only at a few months of age.
We can all simply choose plant-based options instead and let animals live properly wild and free!
Clever marketing ploys run by the meat, dairy and egg industries tell us that their animals are ‘free-range’ and they follow this up by showing us luscious pictures of cows running through fields and chickens living lives of freedom and plenty.
In fact, nothing could be further from the truth.
Free range: What does it mean?
Free-range welfare standards in the UK are hardly any different from the minimum welfare standards that apply to intensively farmed animals. By buying free range, we are falling prey to a marketing ploy designed to keep us buying animal products when, in reality, plant-based is the only way to be cruelty-free.
Take chickens, for example. You would be forgiven for thinking that free range chickens are allowed to roam free, as the name implies.
However, the reality paints a very different picture. A free-range chicken in the UK must satisfy each of these three conditions:
There should be no more than 13 birds per square meter
The chicken should be eight weeks old by the time they are slaughtered
For at least half of the chicken’s short life, they should have daytime access to an open-air run through ‘popholes’ in the side of the barn
To put that into perspective, that means that a single chicken can live with around 5,000 other chickens in a 20-meter by 20-meter barn for four weeks, totally enclosed, before having access to a meagre bit of outside space – shared with the other 5,000 chickens – for another four weeks on top of that. As a result of the chickens’ natural pecking order, some of those at the bottom of their social hierarchy may never even go outside at all. After this brutal life, the chicken is killed for meat. This is ‘free range’! |
There will always be people's defending these barbaric practices because dead animals are yummy...
I genuinely don't understand how all the pain and suffering can just be ignored. |  |
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| I know you won’t answer this, but…. on 07:11 - Jul 25 with 1977 views | Bloots |
| ‘Lad’ pretty much nailed it though, to be fair.. on 23:24 - Jul 24 by Bigalhunter |
Enjoy your evening.
Be kind. |
….I’ll give it a go anyway.
What are you gaining by this type of post?
What’s in it for you?
You are agreeing with another poster that’s being abusive to a total stranger in the internet.
You are just trying to create division on an otherwise fairly harmonious forum.
It’s utterly pointless and adds nothing positive.
Be kind, indeed. | |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 08:00 - Jul 25 with 1947 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 21:14 - Jul 24 by Buhrer |
It's an entirely relevant question as to whether an animal knows its going to its death..
Consider a dog. Or a toddler aged child. Well looked after. "Loved". Then one day they're professionally packed up to the abbatoir. At some point it gets nasty.
What level of sentience do you think a pig has? What more evidence do you need than your own eyes and mind. |
Haha, getting packed up into a truck is not evidence they know they're heading to their death. The film 'Babe' is not a documentary. |  |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 08:07 - Jul 25 with 1924 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 21:55 - Jul 24 by eireblue |
Yes.
What do you think fear is?
What do you think fight/flight/freeze responses are for, especially in prey animals.
And you do know mammals can smell blood, and have a reaction to that.
Have you seen the studies on Elephants morning their dead?
As I said before, you can write poems about fear of death. Other mammals can’t.
But the part of your brain that fears being eaten by a predator, is from a common mammalian ancestor. That is an evolutionary fact.
If you really want to, watch some videos of cows trying to escape abattoirs.
Then, if you want to read some scientific papers on why they recommend laying out abattoirs in certain ways, so animals don’t see the other animals being killed.
So back to you, in my sample question, pig or horse? |
The fight or flight response is due to a fear of harm (which may be an unjust fear simply in response to something new/different). You can get that from something falling over in another room.
Elephants mourning their dead are actually with/see the dead elephant.
And then, with a final flourish, you totally undermine your own argument: "read some scientific papers on why they recommend laying out abattoirs in certain ways, so animals don’t see the other animals being killed." | |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 08:13 - Jul 25 with 1906 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 22:33 - Jul 24 by Swansea_Blue |
The bar may be low, but free range and organic are supposed to have higher welfare standards than intensive barn raised chucks. They get the chance to walk and develop natural behaviours at least. As I say, it’s a low bar but it’s not purely marketing BS. There is a difference.
Edit. I expect whoever wrote that piece misunderstands the regulations around outdoor access. The outdoor access is for half their life time; that’s all that’s specified m. That’ll likely mean 12 hours a day as they’ll roost at night and be locked up then. It makes no sense the way it’s portrayed in your piece. [Post edited 24 Jul 2024 22:56]
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He's merely plucked (pun intended) the worst possible description he could find out of the internet. There are plenty of meat producers with exemplary practices in animal welfare, if you choose to look for them. He has no idea how often I eat meat or where I get it from. | |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 08:16 - Jul 25 with 1908 views | blueasfook |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 08:13 - Jul 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
He's merely plucked (pun intended) the worst possible description he could find out of the internet. There are plenty of meat producers with exemplary practices in animal welfare, if you choose to look for them. He has no idea how often I eat meat or where I get it from. |
You get your meat from Tesco same as the rest of us. Don't pretend otherwise. | |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 08:18 - Jul 25 with 1898 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 08:16 - Jul 25 by blueasfook |
You get your meat from Tesco same as the rest of us. Don't pretend otherwise. |
Hahaha, you've got nothing have you? | |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 08:18 - Jul 25 with 1909 views | GlasgowBlue |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 18:36 - Jul 24 by MattinLondon |
Because your reply suggested that you were - was just interested. |
No it didn’t. I said there are plant based alternatives to meat. Which is what I eat. Eating a vegan diet does not make one a vegan. That is just a small step. EB could explain it better but a vegan lifestyle means no longer using any products derived from animals. That includes food, clothing, cosmetics and household products. [Post edited 25 Jul 2024 8:21]
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 08:21 - Jul 25 with 1891 views | blueasfook |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 08:18 - Jul 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Hahaha, you've got nothing have you? |
OK fine. You just keep deluding yourself that because your sausages have a picture of a laughing pig on them that poor Porky that went into making them lived the life of Riley instead of being kept in a confined space and injected with steroids to beef him up. | |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 08:33 - Jul 25 with 1848 views | MattinLondon |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 08:18 - Jul 25 by GlasgowBlue |
No it didn’t. I said there are plant based alternatives to meat. Which is what I eat. Eating a vegan diet does not make one a vegan. That is just a small step. EB could explain it better but a vegan lifestyle means no longer using any products derived from animals. That includes food, clothing, cosmetics and household products. [Post edited 25 Jul 2024 8:21]
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And yet some people are happy to have animals slaughtered and eat their dead flesh when there are plenty of plant based alternatives.
Your full answer suggested to me that you were a vegan. That’s all. No need to get so defensive. |  | | |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 08:40 - Jul 25 with 1842 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 08:21 - Jul 25 by blueasfook |
OK fine. You just keep deluding yourself that because your sausages have a picture of a laughing pig on them that poor Porky that went into making them lived the life of Riley instead of being kept in a confined space and injected with steroids to beef him up. |
Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean the rest of us are. | |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 08:41 - Jul 25 with 1842 views | blueasfook |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 08:40 - Jul 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean the rest of us are. |
Ah insults - the last resort of someone who lost an argument. Good day to you sir. | |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 08:43 - Jul 25 with 1842 views | GlasgowBlue |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 08:33 - Jul 25 by MattinLondon |
And yet some people are happy to have animals slaughtered and eat their dead flesh when there are plenty of plant based alternatives.
Your full answer suggested to me that you were a vegan. That’s all. No need to get so defensive. |
I eat a plant based diet as opposed to the dead flesh of slaughtered animals. Not being defensive in the slightest. Simply pointing out the difference between somebody who eats a plant based diet and a vegan, which is based on far more than just diet.
Edit. I would add that I started as vegetarian a year ago but have since cut out dairy, but that only been in the last few months. [Post edited 25 Jul 2024 8:46]
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 08:55 - Jul 25 with 1820 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 08:41 - Jul 25 by blueasfook |
Ah insults - the last resort of someone who lost an argument. Good day to you sir. |
It's not an insult. You don't know where (or how often) I get my meat from so you're ignorant. And if Tescos/sausages filled with steroids are what you think free range meat is, and there are no ways of getting ethically raised meat, then you're ignorant on that front too. No offence, you're just ignorant.
Your exaggeration to make a point (and lack of knowledge) shows that it's you who has lost the argument. Good day indeed. | |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 09:07 - Jul 25 with 1792 views | blueasfook |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 08:55 - Jul 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
It's not an insult. You don't know where (or how often) I get my meat from so you're ignorant. And if Tescos/sausages filled with steroids are what you think free range meat is, and there are no ways of getting ethically raised meat, then you're ignorant on that front too. No offence, you're just ignorant.
Your exaggeration to make a point (and lack of knowledge) shows that it's you who has lost the argument. Good day indeed. |
I really hope you pay double what everyone else does for meat that's been reared in exactly the same conditions. The only "ethically raised meat" by the way is meat that's raised not to be killed for human consumption. | |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 09:13 - Jul 25 with 1778 views | The_Flashing_Smile |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 09:07 - Jul 25 by blueasfook |
I really hope you pay double what everyone else does for meat that's been reared in exactly the same conditions. The only "ethically raised meat" by the way is meat that's raised not to be killed for human consumption. |
What a silly man you are. I took you off ignore because I thought you were slightly better than Bloots. Apparently not, so i'll pop you back again. | |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 10:56 - Jul 25 with 1690 views | Buhrer |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 09:07 - Jul 25 by blueasfook |
I really hope you pay double what everyone else does for meat that's been reared in exactly the same conditions. The only "ethically raised meat" by the way is meat that's raised not to be killed for human consumption. |
I figured if I stop being a veggie my ethical choices are free range grey squirrel and signal crayfish. |  | | |
| (No subject) on 11:25 - Jul 25 with 1661 views | Bigalhunter |
| I know you won’t answer this, but…. on 07:11 - Jul 25 by Bloots |
….I’ll give it a go anyway.
What are you gaining by this type of post?
What’s in it for you?
You are agreeing with another poster that’s being abusive to a total stranger in the internet.
You are just trying to create division on an otherwise fairly harmonious forum.
It’s utterly pointless and adds nothing positive.
Be kind, indeed. |
GB called Dollers a mug.
Dollers called GB a sanctimonious tvvat.
All fair enough, then you waded in to defend the lead singer with the usual backing vocals.
What’s in it for you?
What part of your sole contribution to the thread was positive?
Enjoy the rest of your day. | |
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