| How is repeatedly whipping a horse 07:08 - Jul 24 with 27756 views | bluelagos |
An error of judgement? Has also been said to be out of character.
ITV showing the video and it's clear her actions were not a one off, rather a method of training that were the norm for decorated Olympian Charlotte Dujardin.
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| I was quite rightly pointing out…. on 11:46 - Jul 25 with 2010 views | Bloots |
| (No subject) on 11:25 - Jul 25 by Bigalhunter |
GB called Dollers a mug.
Dollers called GB a sanctimonious tvvat.
All fair enough, then you waded in to defend the lead singer with the usual backing vocals.
What’s in it for you?
What part of your sole contribution to the thread was positive?
Enjoy the rest of your day. |
….the unadulterated hypocrisy of Dolly complaining about being given a relatively mild dig by someone who has him on ignore, when he has recently given me far worse abuse whilst having me on ignore.
I haven’t abused anyone, nor have I backed up anyone else’s abuse.
You however seem to think it’s acceptable and decide it’s a good look to perpetuate the abuse by endorsing it.
If that’s the type of human you are then that’s your choice I guess.
But it wouldn’t be mine.
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| Totally obsessed. (n/t) on 11:50 - Jul 25 with 1979 views | Bloots |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 09:13 - Jul 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What a silly man you are. I took you off ignore because I thought you were slightly better than Bloots. Apparently not, so i'll pop you back again. |
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| I was quite rightly pointing out…. on 12:53 - Jul 25 with 1928 views | GlasgowBlue |
| I was quite rightly pointing out…. on 11:46 - Jul 25 by Bloots |
….the unadulterated hypocrisy of Dolly complaining about being given a relatively mild dig by someone who has him on ignore, when he has recently given me far worse abuse whilst having me on ignore.
I haven’t abused anyone, nor have I backed up anyone else’s abuse.
You however seem to think it’s acceptable and decide it’s a good look to perpetuate the abuse by endorsing it.
If that’s the type of human you are then that’s your choice I guess.
But it wouldn’t be mine.
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I hadn't realised that Dolly had called me a sanctimonious tvvat until Big Al's post. Seems a rather disproportionate response to a gentle dig about him paying ninety quid for bangers and mash. |  |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 12:56 - Jul 25 with 1912 views | Ryorry |
Totally unacceptable & out of order to use such methods. Rewards-based training works better with animals anyway. Outrageous also is the video-taker waiting 4 years to put the footage out, which allowed the abuse to continue all that time.
Some of the angriest people seeing that will be the millions of other riders who are never anything other than kind, caring and loving towards their equines, not least since they are now being tarred with the same brush as CJ.
As an aside, quite funny/sad to see so many animal-lovers on this thread hypocritically verbally abusing each other - often seems to be forgotten that humans are animals too. |  |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 13:02 - Jul 25 with 1905 views | hype313 |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 08:18 - Jul 25 by GlasgowBlue |
No it didn’t. I said there are plant based alternatives to meat. Which is what I eat. Eating a vegan diet does not make one a vegan. That is just a small step. EB could explain it better but a vegan lifestyle means no longer using any products derived from animals. That includes food, clothing, cosmetics and household products. [Post edited 25 Jul 2024 8:21]
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Whilst the meat industry is pretty downright rotten and needs serious intervention regarding the cruelty to animals, a lot of the Vege/Vegan substitutes in supermarkets are not fit for human consumption, the ingredients are full of awful things and ultra processed which are really detrimental to the body.
Years ago, there used to be a product called Sosmix, which was bloody lovely, and recently I've found it again online, as versatile as a potato waffle. |  |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 13:02 - Jul 25 with 1904 views | eireblue |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 08:07 - Jul 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
The fight or flight response is due to a fear of harm (which may be an unjust fear simply in response to something new/different). You can get that from something falling over in another room.
Elephants mourning their dead are actually with/see the dead elephant.
And then, with a final flourish, you totally undermine your own argument: "read some scientific papers on why they recommend laying out abattoirs in certain ways, so animals don’t see the other animals being killed." |
Not really, what do you think happens when they get off the transport?
Why do you think some abattoirs have a cow they keep to led out other cows out of the transport. Also some farms have cows the are used to lead others into the transport.
Why have you avoided that the fight or flight response is linked to being killed and eaten.
You think your mammalian fight or fright brain chemistry, was from a common ancestor that was worried about objects falling over in another room.
They didn’t have rooms.
They had predictors.
When a herd of gazelles get attacked by a Lion, and they run away, and one of them gets eaten, do you not think that gazelles have a rough idea of what death is.
Or do you think they slow down, and just think that’s odd, Bob was here a second ago, I wonder what happened to him.
I thought you wanted to have a scientific discussion?
Are you disputing the evidence on how mammalian brains have evolved?
If you were interested you would find the scientific papers yourself.
I have been polite, tried to be informative, and discussed why, what you yourself called “presumptions” were indeed presumptions and incorrect.
“where they’re swiftly killed, not made to suffer over years, presumably”
They do suffer over years, and are not killed swiftly.
They are afraid, this is proved by science, because of the fear hormones in their blood streams.
So, back to you, why won’t you even answer the simple question, in the scenario, pig or horse? [Post edited 25 Jul 2024 13:11]
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 13:28 - Jul 25 with 1843 views | Ryorry |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 10:56 - Jul 25 by Buhrer |
I figured if I stop being a veggie my ethical choices are free range grey squirrel and signal crayfish. |
I recommend venison culled from the wild by single shot (usually in Scotland, numbers have to be kept down annually to stop excess population leading to stavation). Sold online. | |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 13:30 - Jul 25 with 1836 views | blueasfook |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 09:13 - Jul 25 by The_Flashing_Smile |
What a silly man you are. I took you off ignore because I thought you were slightly better than Bloots. Apparently not, so i'll pop you back again. |
Oh no. Gutted. |  |
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| Totally obsessed. (n/t) on 13:38 - Jul 25 with 1812 views | Bigalhunter |
| Totally obsessed. (n/t) on 11:50 - Jul 25 by Bloots |
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So, he’s put you ignore but it’s still ok for you to call him an obsessed unadultered hypocrite.
That’s you being kind is it?
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 13:49 - Jul 25 with 1782 views | Buhrer |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 13:28 - Jul 25 by Ryorry |
I recommend venison culled from the wild by single shot (usually in Scotland, numbers have to be kept down annually to stop excess population leading to stavation). Sold online. |
... how about stopping letting the rich use Scotland as their shooting range, rewild it, so it has forests again, and let the stags be free. |  | | |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 14:00 - Jul 25 with 1747 views | Radlett_blue |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 13:49 - Jul 25 by Buhrer |
... how about stopping letting the rich use Scotland as their shooting range, rewild it, so it has forests again, and let the stags be free. |
The problem is that there isn't enough food for the deer, hence 100,000 are culled each year & provide venison. |  |
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| Are you OK mate….? on 14:07 - Jul 25 with 1720 views | Bloots |
| Totally obsessed. (n/t) on 13:38 - Jul 25 by Bigalhunter |
So, he’s put you ignore but it’s still ok for you to call him an obsessed unadultered hypocrite.
That’s you being kind is it?
#selfawarenessrefund |
….I haven’t got him on ignore, therefore I’m not ignoring him.
I’ll continue to respond to his abuse in the mild way that I have.
Not really sure what you are driving at other than to try and stir up arguments, something that Phil had repeatedly asked not to happen.
Probably best to leave it now.
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 14:08 - Jul 25 with 1724 views | Buhrer |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 14:00 - Jul 25 by Radlett_blue |
The problem is that there isn't enough food for the deer, hence 100,000 are culled each year & provide venison. |
The problem is that under the current situation....
Rewilding. | | | |
| He’s given me more abuse… on 14:10 - Jul 25 with 1718 views | Bloots |
| I was quite rightly pointing out…. on 12:53 - Jul 25 by GlasgowBlue |
I hadn't realised that Dolly had called me a sanctimonious tvvat until Big Al's post. Seems a rather disproportionate response to a gentle dig about him paying ninety quid for bangers and mash. |
….since he put me on ignore than he ever did before.
Really weird behaviour. | |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 14:11 - Jul 25 with 1716 views | Ryorry |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 13:49 - Jul 25 by Buhrer |
... how about stopping letting the rich use Scotland as their shooting range, rewild it, so it has forests again, and let the stags be free. |
It's got nothing to do with wealthy people, & culling isn't confined to stags/Scotland. It's actually exactly to allow the wild to develop that the culling takes place (albeit I found it quite upsetting when it happened in local woods, but accepted it neeeded to be done).
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https://www.nature.scot/doc/deer-management-scotland-frequently-asked-questions-
"Why are high numbers of deer a problem?
Globally and in Scotland, nature is in decline and we face a climate emergency. Greater urgency is required to meet the challenges of these twin crises and the Scottish Biodiversity Strategy, launched in 2023, sets ambitious targets to halt nature loss by 2030 and deliver nature restoration across Scotland by 2045. We know that if we restore nature, it can also contribute over 40% of Scotland’s drive for net-zero carbon emissions by 2045.
Red deer in particular are an iconic species with cultural significance in Scotland and, along with roe deer, form an important part of our native biodiversity. However, high numbers of all deer species and a lack of natural predators mean they are having a negative impact in our landscape.
These negative impacts of excessive deer numbers can be seen throughout our forests – from preventing new trees from growing to damaging existing woodland. We need to expand our forests and woodlands if we are to tackle climate change and biodiversity loss, but it is simply not possible to do this if the high densities of deer are not tackled.
Sustainable deer management is vital if we are to bring populations into balance with the rest of nature and effectively tackle the twin crises of biodiversity loss and climate change through forest regeneration, woodland creation, peatland restoration and habitat improvement. Real progress has been made, but a significant reduction in wild deer numbers is required if we are to meet the ambitious but necessary targets to restore nature and reach net-zero.
Humane culling can also ensure healthy deer populations overall. When deer populations grow to high levels, competition for food increases. Climate change is increasingly causing winter precipitation to fall as rain, instead of snow, and these harsh, wet conditions make it more difficult for deer to survive without shelter. In these testing conditions, when food is also scarce, the animals can lose condition further and can die from starvation during the tough winter months."
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| Are you OK mate….? on 16:39 - Jul 25 with 1643 views | Bigalhunter |
| Are you OK mate….? on 14:07 - Jul 25 by Bloots |
….I haven’t got him on ignore, therefore I’m not ignoring him.
I’ll continue to respond to his abuse in the mild way that I have.
Not really sure what you are driving at other than to try and stir up arguments, something that Phil had repeatedly asked not to happen.
Probably best to leave it now.
Cheers. |
Excellent, and I’ll continue to respond in the mild way that I have.
I know it’s only the internet, but, hey, we’ve managed to thrash out a virtual Entente Cordiale.
Time well spent.
Edit: In all the excitement, I forgot to ask. Are you pro or anti whipping horses to make them dance better? [Post edited 25 Jul 2024 16:42]
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 16:58 - Jul 25 with 1625 views | J2BLUE |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 13:02 - Jul 25 by hype313 |
Whilst the meat industry is pretty downright rotten and needs serious intervention regarding the cruelty to animals, a lot of the Vege/Vegan substitutes in supermarkets are not fit for human consumption, the ingredients are full of awful things and ultra processed which are really detrimental to the body.
Years ago, there used to be a product called Sosmix, which was bloody lovely, and recently I've found it again online, as versatile as a potato waffle. |
That is only a problem if you are looking to substitute meat for fake meat.
Beans, peas, lentils and chickpeas can all provide protein and the base of meals.
Down the tinned veg aisle you'll see lots of pouches like these: https://www.merchant-gourmet.com/products/spanish-style-grains
They make making meals very easy and they are all clean ingredients. |  |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 17:08 - Jul 25 with 1613 views | Buhrer |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 14:11 - Jul 25 by Ryorry |
It's got nothing to do with wealthy people, & culling isn't confined to stags/Scotland. It's actually exactly to allow the wild to develop that the culling takes place (albeit I found it quite upsetting when it happened in local woods, but accepted it neeeded to be done).
Edit: 4got to include link
https://www.nature.scot/doc/deer-management-scotland-frequently-asked-questions-
"Why are high numbers of deer a problem?
Globally and in Scotland, nature is in decline and we face a climate emergency. Greater urgency is required to meet the challenges of these twin crises and the Scottish Biodiversity Strategy, launched in 2023, sets ambitious targets to halt nature loss by 2030 and deliver nature restoration across Scotland by 2045. We know that if we restore nature, it can also contribute over 40% of Scotland’s drive for net-zero carbon emissions by 2045.
Red deer in particular are an iconic species with cultural significance in Scotland and, along with roe deer, form an important part of our native biodiversity. However, high numbers of all deer species and a lack of natural predators mean they are having a negative impact in our landscape.
These negative impacts of excessive deer numbers can be seen throughout our forests – from preventing new trees from growing to damaging existing woodland. We need to expand our forests and woodlands if we are to tackle climate change and biodiversity loss, but it is simply not possible to do this if the high densities of deer are not tackled.
Sustainable deer management is vital if we are to bring populations into balance with the rest of nature and effectively tackle the twin crises of biodiversity loss and climate change through forest regeneration, woodland creation, peatland restoration and habitat improvement. Real progress has been made, but a significant reduction in wild deer numbers is required if we are to meet the ambitious but necessary targets to restore nature and reach net-zero.
Humane culling can also ensure healthy deer populations overall. When deer populations grow to high levels, competition for food increases. Climate change is increasingly causing winter precipitation to fall as rain, instead of snow, and these harsh, wet conditions make it more difficult for deer to survive without shelter. In these testing conditions, when food is also scarce, the animals can lose condition further and can die from starvation during the tough winter months."
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I'm not bothering to read propaganda and paste. The fact is that it's a man made environment, for the rich, where they kill hare, birds of prey, and fox, so they can shoot their grouse and maintain the treeless killing zone. Let the trees grow. Let the deer eat trees. The people that promote culling base that upon what they say the landscape they've created can take, balance against squeezing it for enough money. Ugh. | | | |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 17:50 - Jul 25 with 1543 views | Ryorry |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 16:58 - Jul 25 by J2BLUE |
That is only a problem if you are looking to substitute meat for fake meat.
Beans, peas, lentils and chickpeas can all provide protein and the base of meals.
Down the tinned veg aisle you'll see lots of pouches like these: https://www.merchant-gourmet.com/products/spanish-style-grains
They make making meals very easy and they are all clean ingredients. |
Not all have time to cook though, and > small amount of pulses/wholegains = not an option if you have gut issues. | |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 17:52 - Jul 25 with 1538 views | GlasgowBlue |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 16:58 - Jul 25 by J2BLUE |
That is only a problem if you are looking to substitute meat for fake meat.
Beans, peas, lentils and chickpeas can all provide protein and the base of meals.
Down the tinned veg aisle you'll see lots of pouches like these: https://www.merchant-gourmet.com/products/spanish-style-grains
They make making meals very easy and they are all clean ingredients. |
I absolutely love chickpeas. And before [redacted] weighs in with a gotcha moment, no chickens were harmed to extract their peas. [Post edited 25 Jul 2024 17:52]
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 17:55 - Jul 25 with 1531 views | Buhrer |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 17:52 - Jul 25 by GlasgowBlue |
I absolutely love chickpeas. And before [redacted] weighs in with a gotcha moment, no chickens were harmed to extract their peas. [Post edited 25 Jul 2024 17:52]
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I found as I became a veggie, my brain has made me love lentils pulses legumes etc because of the protein. I feel about it as i once did meat, filling and energising ergo good. The family eat veggie mince, fake chicken etc but I stick to unprocessed as much as possible. | | | |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 18:00 - Jul 25 with 1523 views | GlasgowBlue |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 17:55 - Jul 25 by Buhrer |
I found as I became a veggie, my brain has made me love lentils pulses legumes etc because of the protein. I feel about it as i once did meat, filling and energising ergo good. The family eat veggie mince, fake chicken etc but I stick to unprocessed as much as possible. |
Yeah I'm not at all into the fake meat thing. They rarely get the texture right and I don't see the point. It's a bit like methadone for heroin addicts.
If you are off meat then you are off meat. | |
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| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 18:34 - Jul 25 with 1474 views | bluestandard |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 07:48 - Jul 24 by GlasgowBlue |
And yet some people are happy to have animals slaughtered and eat their dead flesh when there are plenty of plant based alternatives.
What is more cruel? |
Wow, this was top trolling. Take a bow.
This is about the most jumbled thread I've seen on here, with at least 3 or 4 different debates going on, all from this single post. Bravo!
I'll choose to respond as directly to this post as possible and not get mixed up in the other debates. I would put it like this. The question 'what is more cruel' is a subjective question of morality, and 'intent' is a major facet of the word 'cruel'. In some cases, the worlds moral compass is pretty consistent. For example you would never hear someone say 'well personally I don't like to murder people, but I don't judge people that do'.
Eating meat is something which is done by the majority of the worlds population, and whilst that is changing, the moral compass is not pointing definitively in any particular direction. Those jumping on Flashing Smile is just ridiculous forum rubbish. And to label someone as cruel/immoral for eating meat in this day and age is pretty childish. By all means espouse the benefits of your subjective opinion and try to change minds, but until meat eating is viewed by a clear majority of the world as equivalent to murdering a human being, in my opinion its not cruel. |  | | |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 18:48 - Jul 25 with 1464 views | eireblue |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 18:34 - Jul 25 by bluestandard |
Wow, this was top trolling. Take a bow.
This is about the most jumbled thread I've seen on here, with at least 3 or 4 different debates going on, all from this single post. Bravo!
I'll choose to respond as directly to this post as possible and not get mixed up in the other debates. I would put it like this. The question 'what is more cruel' is a subjective question of morality, and 'intent' is a major facet of the word 'cruel'. In some cases, the worlds moral compass is pretty consistent. For example you would never hear someone say 'well personally I don't like to murder people, but I don't judge people that do'.
Eating meat is something which is done by the majority of the worlds population, and whilst that is changing, the moral compass is not pointing definitively in any particular direction. Those jumping on Flashing Smile is just ridiculous forum rubbish. And to label someone as cruel/immoral for eating meat in this day and age is pretty childish. By all means espouse the benefits of your subjective opinion and try to change minds, but until meat eating is viewed by a clear majority of the world as equivalent to murdering a human being, in my opinion its not cruel. |
So cruelty and morality is defined by a majority opinion.
Ah man, we didn’t have to give women the vote or give up slaves, how stupid were humans back in the day.
Morality, Ethics and Philosophy degrees are going to be sooo much easier to get now. | | | |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 18:59 - Jul 25 with 1443 views | J2BLUE |
| How is repeatedly whipping a horse on 17:55 - Jul 25 by Buhrer |
I found as I became a veggie, my brain has made me love lentils pulses legumes etc because of the protein. I feel about it as i once did meat, filling and energising ergo good. The family eat veggie mince, fake chicken etc but I stick to unprocessed as much as possible. |
Same. When I eat meals based on those I feel alert and content. | |
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