| So we should respect the armed services then? 17:20 - Aug 2 with 7680 views | factual_blue |
What this woman had to suffer is disgusting. I wouldn't be surprised if her former colleagues were at Southport the other night.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c84jzex9vk8o
As further evidence, a friend's son is a trained and skilled MOD civilian mechanic. He was based in one of the army bases out there.
As his parents said, he went out an normal, decent lad and came back a racist.
Some years ago he went on a tour of duty in Afganistan |  |
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 17:29 - Aug 2 with 4551 views | bluejacko |
Why pick on one case? I myself served with ethnic minority soldiers and indeed trusted my life with them on more than one occasion! [Post edited 2 Aug 2024 17:32]
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 17:40 - Aug 2 with 4504 views | Mullet |
That’s a really horrible read |  |
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 17:50 - Aug 2 with 4440 views | NedPlimpton |
That's grim
And then also the 13 separate caes of sexual assault at the army foundation college |  | | |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 18:01 - Aug 2 with 4395 views | bazza |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 17:40 - Aug 2 by Mullet |
That’s a really horrible read |
Horrible for that poor women, and the rest of the decent members of the armed forces, who will no doubt be tarnished with the same brush. |  | | |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 18:09 - Aug 2 with 4342 views | GlasgowBlue |
The armed forces are a reflection of society. You can't tar the entire service with the same brush because there are vile racists in their ranks. Just as you can't tar the NHS with the same brush as murderers because of people like Beverley Allitt and Lucy Letby or the BBC as paedophiles because of "Huw", Saville etc. [Post edited 2 Aug 2024 18:10]
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 18:15 - Aug 2 with 4333 views | bazza |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 18:09 - Aug 2 by GlasgowBlue |
The armed forces are a reflection of society. You can't tar the entire service with the same brush because there are vile racists in their ranks. Just as you can't tar the NHS with the same brush as murderers because of people like Beverley Allitt and Lucy Letby or the BBC as paedophiles because of "Huw", Saville etc. [Post edited 2 Aug 2024 18:10]
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I wanted to write something similar, couldn’t be arsed with possibly be called out as a racist or something similar. No need to drag the whole armed forces through the mud because of tragic idiots like those in the article, let’s hope They get thrown out. | | | |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 18:18 - Aug 2 with 4297 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 18:15 - Aug 2 by bazza |
I wanted to write something similar, couldn’t be arsed with possibly be called out as a racist or something similar. No need to drag the whole armed forces through the mud because of tragic idiots like those in the article, let’s hope They get thrown out. |
Indeed. What this woman went through is disgusting. She is entitled to every enny she received in damages and I hope they come down hard on the knuckledraggers who made her life a misery. | |
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 18:18 - Aug 2 with 4313 views | Churchman |
Yes, we should respect the military. And the police. These people do hard, sometimes appalling, difficult, dangerous work and are what we have between us and people who are evil beyond your wildest dreams.
They should be supported. There are wrong uns in all walks of life. It’s not a unique thing. The trick is to try and keep improving things, educate, weed out if necessary etc. A broad sarcastic statement like ‘so we should respect the armed services then’ is wrong and unhelpful.
As it goes, thanks to decades of under investment and neglect the military is shrinking before your eyes anyway. I’ve heard that it would be hard to put two divisions in the field and actually there’s no means of transporting them anyway. Can’t see Labour doing anything about it. |  | | |
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 18:34 - Aug 2 with 4242 views | factual_blue |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 18:18 - Aug 2 by Churchman |
Yes, we should respect the military. And the police. These people do hard, sometimes appalling, difficult, dangerous work and are what we have between us and people who are evil beyond your wildest dreams.
They should be supported. There are wrong uns in all walks of life. It’s not a unique thing. The trick is to try and keep improving things, educate, weed out if necessary etc. A broad sarcastic statement like ‘so we should respect the armed services then’ is wrong and unhelpful.
As it goes, thanks to decades of under investment and neglect the military is shrinking before your eyes anyway. I’ve heard that it would be hard to put two divisions in the field and actually there’s no means of transporting them anyway. Can’t see Labour doing anything about it. |
Of course [Post edited 2 Aug 2024 18:35]
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 19:34 - Aug 2 with 4135 views | gtsb1966 |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 18:34 - Aug 2 by factual_blue |
Of course [Post edited 2 Aug 2024 18:35]
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Why ask the (stupid) question then? |  | | |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 19:38 - Aug 2 with 4115 views | Blueschev |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 19:34 - Aug 2 by gtsb1966 |
Why ask the (stupid) question then? |
Probably just an error. |  | | |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 20:17 - Aug 2 with 4024 views | factual_blue |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 19:34 - Aug 2 by gtsb1966 |
Why ask the (stupid) question then? |
Of course we should, but respect has to be earned. | |
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 20:48 - Aug 2 with 3908 views | vapour_trail |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 18:15 - Aug 2 by bazza |
I wanted to write something similar, couldn’t be arsed with possibly be called out as a racist or something similar. No need to drag the whole armed forces through the mud because of tragic idiots like those in the article, let’s hope They get thrown out. |
Let’s hope so.
Institutional racism has been proven to be rife in our police force repeatedly over a period of decades. It’s deeply embedded. I’m not sure I share your confidence that the same conditions don’t exist in our armed forces. I hope your values are prevalent but I think the OP has every right to be curious. |  |
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 20:57 - Aug 2 with 3862 views | BarcaBlue |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 20:48 - Aug 2 by vapour_trail |
Let’s hope so.
Institutional racism has been proven to be rife in our police force repeatedly over a period of decades. It’s deeply embedded. I’m not sure I share your confidence that the same conditions don’t exist in our armed forces. I hope your values are prevalent but I think the OP has every right to be curious. |
Agreed, it all starts off with the few bad apples claim, and then we find out it's a whole lot more than just a few. The Met admitted it was institutionalised in the police and from this tragic case it's right to ask if the armed forces share similar problems. |  | | |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 21:04 - Aug 2 with 3835 views | gtsb1966 |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 17:29 - Aug 2 by bluejacko |
Why pick on one case? I myself served with ethnic minority soldiers and indeed trusted my life with them on more than one occasion! [Post edited 2 Aug 2024 17:32]
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Funny how nobody has responded to someone who has served. They're all experts though. | | | |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 21:12 - Aug 2 with 3784 views | noggin |
It's no shock that racism exists in the forces. Young, mostly white, men from working class backgrounds and often poorly educated, is the target demographic. It just mirrors society. |  |
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 21:17 - Aug 2 with 3742 views | gtsb1966 |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 21:12 - Aug 2 by noggin |
It's no shock that racism exists in the forces. Young, mostly white, men from working class backgrounds and often poorly educated, is the target demographic. It just mirrors society. |
Is it the same for Internet trolls? | | | |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 21:18 - Aug 2 with 3726 views | noggin |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 21:17 - Aug 2 by gtsb1966 |
Is it the same for Internet trolls? |
Is that aimed at me? | |
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 21:33 - Aug 2 with 3624 views | gtsb1966 |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 21:18 - Aug 2 by noggin |
Is that aimed at me? |
Young, mostly white, men from working class backgrounds and often poorly educated....was just asking if that was the same for Internet trolls. | | | |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 21:40 - Aug 2 with 3586 views | noggin |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 21:33 - Aug 2 by gtsb1966 |
Young, mostly white, men from working class backgrounds and often poorly educated....was just asking if that was the same for Internet trolls. |
Maybe | |
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 23:45 - Aug 2 with 3418 views | factual_blue |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 19:34 - Aug 2 by gtsb1966 |
Why ask the (stupid) question then? |
No question is stupid. Not knowing why it's being asked is stupid, | |
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 02:11 - Aug 3 with 3326 views | Mercian |
As a whole we should as should we the police. Sadly the forces like the police have units ran by a-holes. From experience I can tell you that the attitude of the commanding officer who is lieutenant colonel, and the RSM who is a warrant officer class 1 reflects on the behaviour of the unit. The CO is responsible for keeping the officers in line and the RSM the other ranks. If these two people are EDL and "It's a man's army "types or generally do not give a damn and there is a minority who are you get incidents like this. They will not be to ones who will be disciplined though. The Army finds the lowest rank possible who has any responsibility to carry the can. There is proof of this with The Bloody Sunday prosecutions. Yo don't hear of Major X or Sergeant Major X being charged, you hear of Solider X. [Post edited 3 Aug 2024 2:21]
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 06:53 - Aug 3 with 3191 views | jimmyvet |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 02:11 - Aug 3 by Mercian |
As a whole we should as should we the police. Sadly the forces like the police have units ran by a-holes. From experience I can tell you that the attitude of the commanding officer who is lieutenant colonel, and the RSM who is a warrant officer class 1 reflects on the behaviour of the unit. The CO is responsible for keeping the officers in line and the RSM the other ranks. If these two people are EDL and "It's a man's army "types or generally do not give a damn and there is a minority who are you get incidents like this. They will not be to ones who will be disciplined though. The Army finds the lowest rank possible who has any responsibility to carry the can. There is proof of this with The Bloody Sunday prosecutions. Yo don't hear of Major X or Sergeant Major X being charged, you hear of Solider X. [Post edited 3 Aug 2024 2:21]
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What on earth are you talking about you make no sense. | | | |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 06:56 - Aug 3 with 3183 views | jimmyvet |
I would like to see you in action on the streets of Sunderland last night and how well you would cope with bricks, bottles and other items being hurled at you by groups of drunken thugs when you make your pompous, elitist remarks on here. You should be ashamed of yourself FB. [Post edited 3 Aug 2024 7:07]
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 07:22 - Aug 3 with 3120 views | bluejacko |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 21:12 - Aug 2 by noggin |
It's no shock that racism exists in the forces. Young, mostly white, men from working class backgrounds and often poorly educated, is the target demographic. It just mirrors society. |
The target demographic is whoever walks through the door to sign on! Mostly young white men you say ,this country is still mostly white so that’s not really a surprise is it? The vast majority of soldiers quickly realise it doesn’t matter on the colour of the blokes skin if he has to have your back and you his! [Post edited 3 Aug 2024 7:46]
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