| So we should respect the armed services then? 17:20 - Aug 2 with 7910 views | factual_blue |
What this woman had to suffer is disgusting. I wouldn't be surprised if her former colleagues were at Southport the other night.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c84jzex9vk8o
As further evidence, a friend's son is a trained and skilled MOD civilian mechanic. He was based in one of the army bases out there.
As his parents said, he went out an normal, decent lad and came back a racist.
Some years ago he went on a tour of duty in Afganistan |  |
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 08:12 - Aug 4 with 1389 views | bluejacko |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 18:32 - Aug 3 by noggin |
You're coming across as a bit of a bigot. If you are an ex serviceman, you're pretty much confirming that racism is a problem. |
Ah there it is,took a while to get there but the standard answer to anything that doesn’t fit the current narrative👍
All I have done is point out parts of her story that doesn’t ring true due to my own service experience.
Indeed by now there should be court-martials of soldiers and officers being cashiered by the dozen if EVERY unit she served in was riven with racism RMP and the civil police would be having a field day!
After all, we all have a name, rank, and number, it is not as if people can just disappear in the system.
So if that’s bigoted so be it🙄
Have a nice day cheerio [Post edited 4 Aug 2024 8:29]
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 08:33 - Aug 4 with 1326 views | noggin |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 08:12 - Aug 4 by bluejacko |
Ah there it is,took a while to get there but the standard answer to anything that doesn’t fit the current narrative👍
All I have done is point out parts of her story that doesn’t ring true due to my own service experience.
Indeed by now there should be court-martials of soldiers and officers being cashiered by the dozen if EVERY unit she served in was riven with racism RMP and the civil police would be having a field day!
After all, we all have a name, rank, and number, it is not as if people can just disappear in the system.
So if that’s bigoted so be it🙄
Have a nice day cheerio [Post edited 4 Aug 2024 8:29]
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Why do you think the army settled out of court and admitted that she had suffered racism and sexism? |  |
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 08:41 - Aug 4 with 1284 views | Mullet |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 08:12 - Aug 4 by bluejacko |
Ah there it is,took a while to get there but the standard answer to anything that doesn’t fit the current narrative👍
All I have done is point out parts of her story that doesn’t ring true due to my own service experience.
Indeed by now there should be court-martials of soldiers and officers being cashiered by the dozen if EVERY unit she served in was riven with racism RMP and the civil police would be having a field day!
After all, we all have a name, rank, and number, it is not as if people can just disappear in the system.
So if that’s bigoted so be it🙄
Have a nice day cheerio [Post edited 4 Aug 2024 8:29]
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However, like you say the forces are a big system. The idea it’s a macho culture and there’s a mix of factors makes it a little odd you feel you’ve “pointed out” stuff when it reads like you’ve dismissed it at every turn.
I can’t see a point where you give her any credence at all. It’s not a good look if you’re trying to come across as evenhanded. |  |
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 08:49 - Aug 4 with 1252 views | Churchman |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 21:58 - Aug 3 by Hiphopopotamus |
You’re right. The Second World War was very recent and the world hasn’t changed at all since then!!!!! |
In many ways the world hasn’t changed at all. Human nature doesn’t change. We still have a world with dictators like Putin, the north Korean madman, regimes like China let alone the states in the Middle East.
If Putin wanted rid of you because he didn’t like your avatar or use of capitals, he could and would do so like a woodlouse without people out there protecting you.
Interesting article on BBC about how he is extending his reach.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cl4y0j47xe4o |  | | |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 09:10 - Aug 4 with 1194 views | bluejacko |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 08:41 - Aug 4 by Mullet |
However, like you say the forces are a big system. The idea it’s a macho culture and there’s a mix of factors makes it a little odd you feel you’ve “pointed out” stuff when it reads like you’ve dismissed it at every turn.
I can’t see a point where you give her any credence at all. It’s not a good look if you’re trying to come across as evenhanded. |
Not at all if she hadn’t been competent in her job she wouldn’t have been promoted! She said that she came across racism at every level yet we have had her superiors recommending her for promotion! Does that sound racist?
10 yrs in and’ as a Corporal you pretty much know the score by then and she would not have taken any flak from junior ranks as she had the authority to charge them for any abuse.
Any issues with her peers if she couldn’t sort it after that long in service ,well?
No support from her immediate superiors then there is the option for COs interview ,no joy there then there is RMP. There were multiple avenues to take this down and no one could afford to ignore it at the risk of their own career if nothing else!
She implied this was going on from virtually day one,why wait ten years? | | | |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 09:17 - Aug 4 with 1185 views | Mullet |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 09:10 - Aug 4 by bluejacko |
Not at all if she hadn’t been competent in her job she wouldn’t have been promoted! She said that she came across racism at every level yet we have had her superiors recommending her for promotion! Does that sound racist?
10 yrs in and’ as a Corporal you pretty much know the score by then and she would not have taken any flak from junior ranks as she had the authority to charge them for any abuse.
Any issues with her peers if she couldn’t sort it after that long in service ,well?
No support from her immediate superiors then there is the option for COs interview ,no joy there then there is RMP. There were multiple avenues to take this down and no one could afford to ignore it at the risk of their own career if nothing else!
She implied this was going on from virtually day one,why wait ten years? |
That doesn’t make sense though, you can experience racism and still be promoted. It’s not an absolute.
I’ve had plenty of female bosses, they’ve probably all experienced different forms of sexism during their career. That doesn’t mean they made them up or exaggerated them when talking about their experiences, because they’ve been promoted.
If you listen to any black police officers talk about the endemic racism in the force, you’ll hear it from those who achieved higher ranks as much as those on the beat. The parallel between the forces is pretty clear and easy to see.
All my mates/ lads I’ve trained with / parents at school who are ex forces all have stories of appalling behaviour, but that doesn’t mean they are all perpetrators or ardent racists. If anything there’s probably a stronger correlation between those who are the nicest guys and who mentions their service the least. The picture is really complicated but you seem to be simplifying it to protect the army from something it’s clearly admitted etc.
Even if the article is selling a story, to dismiss the foundation of truth in it is harmful. | |
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 09:24 - Aug 4 with 1156 views | NthQldITFC |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 21:12 - Aug 2 by noggin |
It's no shock that racism exists in the forces. Young, mostly white, men from working class backgrounds and often poorly educated, is the target demographic. It just mirrors society. |
It mirrors society in terms of its source material, but if the organisation was functioning better (mostly older white men it has to be said) then you would hope that the teamwork and cooperation (internal and international) and trust required would tend to expunge most of the racist disease in the recruits and younger service-people. |  |
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 09:27 - Aug 4 with 1129 views | NedPlimpton |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 16:18 - Aug 3 by bluejacko |
Well that’s your opinion belief what you will.
The fact remains she would not have progressed as far as she did if she was subject to continuous racism in every unit she was posted to!
Any other black soldiers in those same units get treated the same if so why didn’t they speak out and protect her if the need had arisen?
Why put up with it for 10yrs?
The Army haven’t admitted anything was going on so basically we only have her word on it! [Post edited 3 Aug 2024 16:22]
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Victim blaming of the highest order |  | | |
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 09:54 - Aug 4 with 1075 views | bluejacko |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 09:17 - Aug 4 by Mullet |
That doesn’t make sense though, you can experience racism and still be promoted. It’s not an absolute.
I’ve had plenty of female bosses, they’ve probably all experienced different forms of sexism during their career. That doesn’t mean they made them up or exaggerated them when talking about their experiences, because they’ve been promoted.
If you listen to any black police officers talk about the endemic racism in the force, you’ll hear it from those who achieved higher ranks as much as those on the beat. The parallel between the forces is pretty clear and easy to see.
All my mates/ lads I’ve trained with / parents at school who are ex forces all have stories of appalling behaviour, but that doesn’t mean they are all perpetrators or ardent racists. If anything there’s probably a stronger correlation between those who are the nicest guys and who mentions their service the least. The picture is really complicated but you seem to be simplifying it to protect the army from something it’s clearly admitted etc.
Even if the article is selling a story, to dismiss the foundation of truth in it is harmful. |
Righto you have made a point but it still doesn’t address the point of why she wasted 10 yrs of her life in a job she clearly came to hate?
Your female bosses did they have a rigid chain of command that they could report to ,she did and as I said anytime she didn’t get any joy she could have gone higher.
Of course racism exists,all I have pointed out is there were multiple avenues open to her to get her situation sorted.
Your point about a ‘macho’ attitude in the forces is right there is,it is a completely different way of life compared to civi street and anyone who joins knows this. That’s why people leaving struggle to adapt out here! But if you want people to close with and destroy the enemy then you need an attitude as it’s not for the faint hearted! | | | |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 10:00 - Aug 4 with 1051 views | Mullet |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 09:54 - Aug 4 by bluejacko |
Righto you have made a point but it still doesn’t address the point of why she wasted 10 yrs of her life in a job she clearly came to hate?
Your female bosses did they have a rigid chain of command that they could report to ,she did and as I said anytime she didn’t get any joy she could have gone higher.
Of course racism exists,all I have pointed out is there were multiple avenues open to her to get her situation sorted.
Your point about a ‘macho’ attitude in the forces is right there is,it is a completely different way of life compared to civi street and anyone who joins knows this. That’s why people leaving struggle to adapt out here! But if you want people to close with and destroy the enemy then you need an attitude as it’s not for the faint hearted! |
Who said she hated her job? It was her dream after all, maybe she thought it would fade away, maybe she didn’t want to let the bastards win, maybe she got too far in to think she could start over? I’m not sure questioning her, but not her abusers, strengthens your stance at all.
Surely you can guess what happens if you report stuff like this, especially in an atmosphere like that. It’s the same in any big organisation. Pretending the army is the most forward thinking of employers/institutions in this instance is far fetched at best. | |
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 11:18 - Aug 4 with 938 views | noggin |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 10:00 - Aug 4 by Mullet |
Who said she hated her job? It was her dream after all, maybe she thought it would fade away, maybe she didn’t want to let the bastards win, maybe she got too far in to think she could start over? I’m not sure questioning her, but not her abusers, strengthens your stance at all.
Surely you can guess what happens if you report stuff like this, especially in an atmosphere like that. It’s the same in any big organisation. Pretending the army is the most forward thinking of employers/institutions in this instance is far fetched at best. |
Exactly. I have, in numerous occasions, witnessed bullying, racism and sexism, in the forces. In my experience, it very rarely gets reported, presumably due to the 'man up' attitude of colleagues. | |
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 13:22 - Aug 4 with 858 views | GlasgowBlue |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 11:18 - Aug 4 by noggin |
Exactly. I have, in numerous occasions, witnessed bullying, racism and sexism, in the forces. In my experience, it very rarely gets reported, presumably due to the 'man up' attitude of colleagues. |
And did you report it and follow up your report in the numerous occasions you witnessed it? |  |
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| So we should respect the armed services then? on 13:53 - Aug 4 with 818 views | bluejacko |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 11:18 - Aug 4 by noggin |
Exactly. I have, in numerous occasions, witnessed bullying, racism and sexism, in the forces. In my experience, it very rarely gets reported, presumably due to the 'man up' attitude of colleagues. |
Whoa you called me out for being a bigot! What does this admission make you then??. | | | |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 14:27 - Aug 4 with 801 views | noggin |
| So we should respect the armed services then? on 13:53 - Aug 4 by bluejacko |
Whoa you called me out for being a bigot! What does this admission make you then??. |
Actually, I said you were coming across as a bigot. I don't know you. | |
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