| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics 22:50 - Aug 2 with 7160 views | FrimleyBlue |
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| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 23:17 - Aug 2 with 6100 views | WestSussexBlue |
If they think they’re going to play and win hard ball against Ashton they might want to rethink that.
Not a chance will MA settle for anything other than the best deal for ITFC. |  | | |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 23:21 - Aug 2 with 6024 views | Europablue |
It makes sense for all parties to resolve this either way as soon as possible. | | | |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 23:32 - Aug 2 with 5899 views | SitfcB |
I hope we can finally get it done but also know we won’t be held to ransom. |  |
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| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 23:43 - Aug 2 with 5807 views | Illinoisblue |
Christ on a bike, how long has this saga been going on? Guess with Hirst, Burns and Broady all injured it rather weakens our position. |  |
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| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 01:14 - Aug 3 with 5427 views | MVBlue |
OK its sod off Blackburn time |  |
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| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 07:01 - Aug 3 with 4719 views | Churchman |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 01:14 - Aug 3 by MVBlue |
OK its sod off Blackburn time |
I get the feeling little Ipswich are seen as a cash larder to be raided. All prices ramped up, mug ‘em off. I can see the value in Hutchinson. I don’t see the point in paying over the odds for a 28 year old. He’s a good Championship standard player but there’s no guarantee he will be any good in the PL and at 28 now there is possibly little future sell on.
I don’t care how desperate for players we are, we should not allow ourselves to be taken to the cleaners. Szmodics either wants to come here or he doesn’t. If Blackburn want to take the p£ss on his value, fine. Let them explain to the player why his chance of playing in the PL has gone and move on. |  | | |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 07:17 - Aug 3 with 4594 views | Stewart27 |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 07:01 - Aug 3 by Churchman |
I get the feeling little Ipswich are seen as a cash larder to be raided. All prices ramped up, mug ‘em off. I can see the value in Hutchinson. I don’t see the point in paying over the odds for a 28 year old. He’s a good Championship standard player but there’s no guarantee he will be any good in the PL and at 28 now there is possibly little future sell on.
I don’t care how desperate for players we are, we should not allow ourselves to be taken to the cleaners. Szmodics either wants to come here or he doesn’t. If Blackburn want to take the p£ss on his value, fine. Let them explain to the player why his chance of playing in the PL has gone and move on. |
Agree.
Smodics does want to come. This is all Blackburn. | | | |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 07:35 - Aug 3 with 4408 views | bluejacko |
If you go down the comments in that piece apparently it’s us unsettling the player and it’s all our fault and we are taking them for mugs🙄 | | | |
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 07:38 - Aug 3 with 4375 views | Europablue |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 07:01 - Aug 3 by Churchman |
I get the feeling little Ipswich are seen as a cash larder to be raided. All prices ramped up, mug ‘em off. I can see the value in Hutchinson. I don’t see the point in paying over the odds for a 28 year old. He’s a good Championship standard player but there’s no guarantee he will be any good in the PL and at 28 now there is possibly little future sell on.
I don’t care how desperate for players we are, we should not allow ourselves to be taken to the cleaners. Szmodics either wants to come here or he doesn’t. If Blackburn want to take the p£ss on his value, fine. Let them explain to the player why his chance of playing in the PL has gone and move on. |
I believe he will do well in the Premier League, but every player has a value that you mustn't pay any more than.
I'm a little bit sad about it, but it looks like it is time to tell Blackburn that we are moving on and see if that focuses minds in Blackburn.
It's very annoying how transfers go. A Premier League comes in and turns a player's head and disrupts him and the lower club just has to deal with it.
Having said that it definitely feels like Blackburn have made a rod for their own back. They either have to state that he's not for sale and not encourage any further bids or quickly come to an agreement about his value. [Post edited 3 Aug 2024 7:44]
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| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 07:41 - Aug 3 with 4338 views | franz_tyson |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 07:01 - Aug 3 by Churchman |
I get the feeling little Ipswich are seen as a cash larder to be raided. All prices ramped up, mug ‘em off. I can see the value in Hutchinson. I don’t see the point in paying over the odds for a 28 year old. He’s a good Championship standard player but there’s no guarantee he will be any good in the PL and at 28 now there is possibly little future sell on.
I don’t care how desperate for players we are, we should not allow ourselves to be taken to the cleaners. Szmodics either wants to come here or he doesn’t. If Blackburn want to take the p£ss on his value, fine. Let them explain to the player why his chance of playing in the PL has gone and move on. |
Don't disagree with much of that..... but TBH there's no guarantee that any of our squad will be any good in the PL. Szmodics is pretty much coming from a similar pool that most of our players come from - which is the leagues below the PL. Same age as Chaplin, but whereas Chaplin scored 25+ in L1... Szmodics did that in a league above. No point being sneery about Szmodics and his age and re-sale value. We just need one good season from Szmodics to help us keep in the PL. We can't keep on buying 21 year olds who may have a high ceiling, but may not improve enough and reach their peak for 3-4 years. It's up to Kmac if he believes Szmodics can make that step up straight away. I'm not sure myself about him, but the more I think about it I'm not sure any of our squad is a sure-fire guaranteed PL player next season ( maybe Davis apart). And I don't want to be accused of flouncing, so I'll take that back. If the price is right, I think he's worth the risk. | | | |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 07:48 - Aug 3 with 4219 views | Xatticus |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 07:35 - Aug 3 by bluejacko |
If you go down the comments in that piece apparently it’s us unsettling the player and it’s all our fault and we are taking them for mugs🙄 |
I thought it was well known that he wanted to leave in the last window and agreed to stay to keep Blackburn up for a pay rise and the promise to leave in the summer.
If they feel that they can retain him and keep him happy, then good luck.
We should've moved on to other targets long ago. | | | |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 08:06 - Aug 3 with 3931 views | Churchman |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 07:41 - Aug 3 by franz_tyson |
Don't disagree with much of that..... but TBH there's no guarantee that any of our squad will be any good in the PL. Szmodics is pretty much coming from a similar pool that most of our players come from - which is the leagues below the PL. Same age as Chaplin, but whereas Chaplin scored 25+ in L1... Szmodics did that in a league above. No point being sneery about Szmodics and his age and re-sale value. We just need one good season from Szmodics to help us keep in the PL. We can't keep on buying 21 year olds who may have a high ceiling, but may not improve enough and reach their peak for 3-4 years. It's up to Kmac if he believes Szmodics can make that step up straight away. I'm not sure myself about him, but the more I think about it I'm not sure any of our squad is a sure-fire guaranteed PL player next season ( maybe Davis apart). And I don't want to be accused of flouncing, so I'll take that back. If the price is right, I think he's worth the risk. |
It’s not a question of being sneery about the player. It’s about weighing age, what he’s done (if he was that outstanding he’d already be in the PL), what he might do at a higher level against what we believe he’s worth.
It’s simple: don’t be held to ransom. If Szmodics wants to come, great. If Blackburn want to take us to the cleaners and we refuse to play, then they can explain to the player why playing in the PL has gone down the pan for him.
At 29 in September, as a forward there is a limit to his potential and his value down the line especially if he doesn’t cut it in the PL. But I do think he’s worth bring in, just not at any price. The price has to be right for us as well as Blackburn. [Post edited 3 Aug 2024 9:30]
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| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 08:07 - Aug 3 with 3924 views | victorysquad |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 07:17 - Aug 3 by Stewart27 |
Agree.
Smodics does want to come. This is all Blackburn. |
The issue is either that the Venkys truly believe his value is £20 million, have seen Delap sold for £15m and think we are trying to get him on the cheap. If they truly believe that, then we have a major issue and will just need to walk away.
The alternative view is they are shrewd negotiators, so they have started at £20m (a ridiculous starting point giving his age / experience in the PL) with a view that if we 'meet in the middle' they will get a cracking deal.
Either way, Ashton is not going to pay over the odds. He may be persuaded to go £1-2m over the odds, which if we have offered £8m, he probably already has.
But overall, it feels like we need a team of negotiators working at the club so we can run multiple conversations at the same time effectively. We seem to have a lot of people identifying the players, but the negotiating part is left to who? This is a major part of running a football club. | |
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| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 08:24 - Aug 3 with 3702 views | Len_Brennan |
Szmodics is in contract for another year, plus they have the option of a further year after that. He is a Blackburn player & they are entitled to place a value on him that they feel reflects his worth to them, just like we are with any of our players. We started out only offering £6m.
He was the top scoring player in the Championship last season, with 27 goals, and he's not even a striker. Ok, he's 28, but he's not 33, plus he became a full international last season, which always attracts a premium, irrespective of the country. This on top of us being a Premier League club that meant we go from paying £1.5m for Hirst, to £20m for Delap. Blackburn have seen us pay that money for an as yet unproven forward, aswell as Omari, plus £15m+ for a centre half, & £10m for a relatively unknown GK. £6m was an insult to them.
Ultimately I don't think he's worth £10m+, but he is a good player, experienced, a proven finisher and ... we want him. We should get 4+ years of him at his current level, so it's not like a risk on an overseas player who never settles or adapts to English football. Also, Blackburn know we are getting a bit desperate & had to embarassingly play u21s against B.M. yesterday due to a lack of fit players, particularly in attack; not to mention, other clubs (Leeds) are interested - they have all the bargaining power right now, even if he wants to come.
We can't pride ourselves on how tough a negotiator Ashton is/has been in the market, and then be so critical of another club when they hold firm on their value. Imagine if Newcastle offered £13m for Leif Davis & he wanted to move home, while we were holding out for £25m. Should we just give in if they upped it to £16m?
If we feel we really need him, we'll have to up the offer, but otherwise we should walk away. In fact, given the unsavoriness of the last 10 days or more & the suggested tension, it may have been better if we had, even if we do get him now while saving a million or two. | | | |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 08:47 - Aug 3 with 3395 views | BloomBlue |
So clearly Blackburn are deliberately holding on, waiting (in the hope) for Leeds to sell Summerville and offer £10m for Sczmodics. Blackburn will then tell Town if you want him you need to march or better Leeds £10m |  | | |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 09:09 - Aug 3 with 3211 views | Xatticus |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 08:24 - Aug 3 by Len_Brennan |
Szmodics is in contract for another year, plus they have the option of a further year after that. He is a Blackburn player & they are entitled to place a value on him that they feel reflects his worth to them, just like we are with any of our players. We started out only offering £6m.
He was the top scoring player in the Championship last season, with 27 goals, and he's not even a striker. Ok, he's 28, but he's not 33, plus he became a full international last season, which always attracts a premium, irrespective of the country. This on top of us being a Premier League club that meant we go from paying £1.5m for Hirst, to £20m for Delap. Blackburn have seen us pay that money for an as yet unproven forward, aswell as Omari, plus £15m+ for a centre half, & £10m for a relatively unknown GK. £6m was an insult to them.
Ultimately I don't think he's worth £10m+, but he is a good player, experienced, a proven finisher and ... we want him. We should get 4+ years of him at his current level, so it's not like a risk on an overseas player who never settles or adapts to English football. Also, Blackburn know we are getting a bit desperate & had to embarassingly play u21s against B.M. yesterday due to a lack of fit players, particularly in attack; not to mention, other clubs (Leeds) are interested - they have all the bargaining power right now, even if he wants to come.
We can't pride ourselves on how tough a negotiator Ashton is/has been in the market, and then be so critical of another club when they hold firm on their value. Imagine if Newcastle offered £13m for Leif Davis & he wanted to move home, while we were holding out for £25m. Should we just give in if they upped it to £16m?
If we feel we really need him, we'll have to up the offer, but otherwise we should walk away. In fact, given the unsavoriness of the last 10 days or more & the suggested tension, it may have been better if we had, even if we do get him now while saving a million or two. |
You aren't paying for the 27 goals he scored last year for a very poor Blackburn side. You are paying for the player he will be when he puts on your kit. It will be a completely different level and environment.
Jordan Rhodes scored 20+ goals in three successive seasons for Blackburn before moving to Middlesbrough. He finished with zero career EPL goals.
Adam Armstrong scored 28 goals for Blackburn before moving to Southampton. He scored 4 from 53 in two seasons in the EPL.
They can believe Szmodics is worth whatever they want to, but he was worth 2M when they bought him.
I'm more irritated by the constant reports about how close it is or how we believe it will get done, because these reports lead me to believe that this is holding things up. We should have a lot of irons in the fire right now and Blackburn shouldn't be holding up our efforts to improve our squad ahead of the season. We should have moved on long ago. | | | |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 09:13 - Aug 3 with 3141 views | Churchman |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 08:24 - Aug 3 by Len_Brennan |
Szmodics is in contract for another year, plus they have the option of a further year after that. He is a Blackburn player & they are entitled to place a value on him that they feel reflects his worth to them, just like we are with any of our players. We started out only offering £6m.
He was the top scoring player in the Championship last season, with 27 goals, and he's not even a striker. Ok, he's 28, but he's not 33, plus he became a full international last season, which always attracts a premium, irrespective of the country. This on top of us being a Premier League club that meant we go from paying £1.5m for Hirst, to £20m for Delap. Blackburn have seen us pay that money for an as yet unproven forward, aswell as Omari, plus £15m+ for a centre half, & £10m for a relatively unknown GK. £6m was an insult to them.
Ultimately I don't think he's worth £10m+, but he is a good player, experienced, a proven finisher and ... we want him. We should get 4+ years of him at his current level, so it's not like a risk on an overseas player who never settles or adapts to English football. Also, Blackburn know we are getting a bit desperate & had to embarassingly play u21s against B.M. yesterday due to a lack of fit players, particularly in attack; not to mention, other clubs (Leeds) are interested - they have all the bargaining power right now, even if he wants to come.
We can't pride ourselves on how tough a negotiator Ashton is/has been in the market, and then be so critical of another club when they hold firm on their value. Imagine if Newcastle offered £13m for Leif Davis & he wanted to move home, while we were holding out for £25m. Should we just give in if they upped it to £16m?
If we feel we really need him, we'll have to up the offer, but otherwise we should walk away. In fact, given the unsavoriness of the last 10 days or more & the suggested tension, it may have been better if we had, even if we do get him now while saving a million or two. |
I think £6m is more than fair for somebody unproven at that level who will be 29 in just over a months time. He is unproven in the PL and in two years time at 31 what’ll he be worth? £10m would be a rip off, but a tolerable one.
£20m? They’re having a laugh. Nice try. Walk away and let his agent and B’burn explain where his chance of playing in the PL and pay rise went.
I hope I’m wrong, but I think we’ve already taken a big gamble on Delap. We need to be careful. Yesterday’s friendly? It bears no relevance to Blackburn trying to take us to the cleaners. Too much is being made of that. So a German team that is serving itself had its nose put out of joint. Who cares, they’ll get over it. This trick is for us to learn from our mistakes. | | | |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 09:15 - Aug 3 with 3126 views | Kieran_Knows |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 08:47 - Aug 3 by BloomBlue |
So clearly Blackburn are deliberately holding on, waiting (in the hope) for Leeds to sell Summerville and offer £10m for Sczmodics. Blackburn will then tell Town if you want him you need to march or better Leeds £10m |
He won’t go to Leeds. |  |
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| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 09:56 - Aug 3 with 2882 views | Len_Brennan |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 09:13 - Aug 3 by Churchman |
I think £6m is more than fair for somebody unproven at that level who will be 29 in just over a months time. He is unproven in the PL and in two years time at 31 what’ll he be worth? £10m would be a rip off, but a tolerable one.
£20m? They’re having a laugh. Nice try. Walk away and let his agent and B’burn explain where his chance of playing in the PL and pay rise went.
I hope I’m wrong, but I think we’ve already taken a big gamble on Delap. We need to be careful. Yesterday’s friendly? It bears no relevance to Blackburn trying to take us to the cleaners. Too much is being made of that. So a German team that is serving itself had its nose put out of joint. Who cares, they’ll get over it. This trick is for us to learn from our mistakes. |
Of course yesterday's debacle in Germany is relevant; it highlights our vulnerable position & strenghtens their resolve in holding out due to our need.
What he is worth is subjective to the parties involved, but if we want him Blackburn have to agree a sale price, just like Chelsea, Man City, Hull & Burnley have with our other signings that commanded a fee.
We move on if we are not prepared to pay what they will accept. We have already missed out on having him with the squad in Germany for much needed pre-season integration. | | | |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 10:15 - Aug 3 with 2778 views | Churchman |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 09:56 - Aug 3 by Len_Brennan |
Of course yesterday's debacle in Germany is relevant; it highlights our vulnerable position & strenghtens their resolve in holding out due to our need.
What he is worth is subjective to the parties involved, but if we want him Blackburn have to agree a sale price, just like Chelsea, Man City, Hull & Burnley have with our other signings that commanded a fee.
We move on if we are not prepared to pay what they will accept. We have already missed out on having him with the squad in Germany for much needed pre-season integration. |
It really doesn’t. Clubs will know each others situation without some angry German bleating away. We have players out injured. That could happen to anybody at any time. We were never going to play the full first team two straight days anyway. Words like vulnerable position, strengthening resolve, missing out on training in Germany are assumptions, not fact.
Yes, Blackburn have to agree to the price. Fine. Nobody is suggesting otherwise. Their beloved owners can want £100m if they like. We don’t have to pay it. Nor actually does the player have to accept it. Yes, he’s contracted but he could, late in his career, miss out on playing in the PL and a fat salary to boot. Good luck managing him next season Blackburn, because I doubt a player near enough 30 will be commanding £10m fee or be offered the chance to be in the PL next year.
There is a balance to be struck and it doesn’t have to be in Blackburns or ITFCs favour. It has to be right, including being in the interests of the player. | | | |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 10:26 - Aug 3 with 2678 views | BloomBlue |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 09:15 - Aug 3 by Kieran_Knows |
He won’t go to Leeds. |
It's not about him going to Leeds, it's about Blackburn hopeful they offer a bigger price than Ipswich, to force Ipswich to up our offer.
If Ipswich don't and Blackburn accept the Leeds offer than obviously he has a choice ro make | | | |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 10:42 - Aug 3 with 2560 views | Blue_In_Boston |
Whether its £8 million or £10 million his goals could be the difference between survival and relegation. Considering inflation the price seems very reasonable compared to what we paid for Marcus Stewart back in 2000. | | | |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 10:49 - Aug 3 with 2464 views | monty_radio |
"Blackburn gaffa on szmodics" - perhaps he'd be more approachable if he stopped taking them for a while. [Post edited 3 Aug 2024 12:22]
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| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 10:52 - Aug 3 with 2428 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 10:26 - Aug 3 by BloomBlue |
It's not about him going to Leeds, it's about Blackburn hopeful they offer a bigger price than Ipswich, to force Ipswich to up our offer.
If Ipswich don't and Blackburn accept the Leeds offer than obviously he has a choice ro make |
He's absolutely desperate to move back down here. As I understand it his agent has made that very clear to other parties. It's basically us, West Ham (who aren't interested but were approached) or nobody. And for all Blackburn's posturing, they need him to go. You don't leave a player out of 4 consecutive pre-season games that you have any intention of keeping. It's all getting a bit silly really and not sure what is going on between the two clubs.
I am surprised Szmodics hasn't been firmer than he has been. I wonder if he has a decent loyalty bonus that he doesn't want to forego by kicking up more of a stink and handing in a transfer request. | | | |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 11:04 - Aug 3 with 2302 views | Len_Brennan |
| Blackburn gaffa on szmodics on 10:15 - Aug 3 by Churchman |
It really doesn’t. Clubs will know each others situation without some angry German bleating away. We have players out injured. That could happen to anybody at any time. We were never going to play the full first team two straight days anyway. Words like vulnerable position, strengthening resolve, missing out on training in Germany are assumptions, not fact.
Yes, Blackburn have to agree to the price. Fine. Nobody is suggesting otherwise. Their beloved owners can want £100m if they like. We don’t have to pay it. Nor actually does the player have to accept it. Yes, he’s contracted but he could, late in his career, miss out on playing in the PL and a fat salary to boot. Good luck managing him next season Blackburn, because I doubt a player near enough 30 will be commanding £10m fee or be offered the chance to be in the PL next year.
There is a balance to be struck and it doesn’t have to be in Blackburns or ITFCs favour. It has to be right, including being in the interests of the player. |
@Churchman
I don't want to get into a full back & forth, because I do respect your opinions on all things Ipswich, ... but, I just want to emphasise that time is of the essence here, due to our squad size, injury list, proximity to the start of the season & the reported tensions among club management. And we still don't know the situation with Hirst, which if true could be a very serious problem resulting in us having to pay £30m for Fotis from Greece or Broja, due to necessity.
Yes, having players out injured could happen to any club at any time, but the point is that it is happening to us now, just before we play our first game finally back in the Premier League.
Broadhead & Burns are injured, Omari hasn't been involved all Summer, Hirst is possibly out for a couple of months; they are all likely first team starters for us, if fit, given the squad aa it currently is, i.e. our starting front 4. | | | |
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