| Broja out for seven weeks 10:38 - Aug 27 with 8499 views | pointofblue |
Was nervous before, but now hate the deal. We need someone in now, with Hirst being out. I mentioned this elsewhere but this really reminds me of the Camara transfer and look what happened there. I really hope we move on. |  |
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| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:31 - Aug 27 with 1790 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:23 - Aug 27 by _clive_baker_ |
I don't buy that tbh. There's an element of him integrating into the squad and the environment, but naturally it'll take some time for him to be out on the grass with his teammates and building a familiarity and muscle memory. Not to mention his core fitness which would be set back by having 7 weeks out, and he's not played much football for a while.
With the greatest will in the world I don't think we would expect to see a huge amount of him until Leicester probably, assuming things go to plan. There's a lot of risk in it though and 7 big games before that.
Ultimately it's about a level of risk we're happy with and whether we think there's more value in getting 28 odd games from Broja vs. 35 from an alternative. To some degree that will be determined by what the alternatives look like, and it looks like slim pickings to me. That's part of the problem. |
Last paragraph is spot on and exactly what McKenna et al are pondering I imagine. | | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:31 - Aug 27 with 1794 views | portmanking |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:25 - Aug 27 by homer_123 |
"Just flies in the face of everything we've done to this point."
How does it? |
All of our summer signings are players who are oven-ready to go and contribute (Phillips aside for a fortnight maybe).
I just don't feel the need to put all our eggs in the Broja basket. | | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:32 - Aug 27 with 1789 views | franz_tyson |
Seven weeks should be a deal breaker. Hirst could get fit by then (5--6 weeks more?).
Move on. Don't waste effort on this. This sounds like a p1ss-take.... you spend so much effort setting this up and then you find out at the medical he's got a 7 week lay-off. | | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:37 - Aug 27 with 1722 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:31 - Aug 27 by tractorboy1978 |
Last paragraph is spot on and exactly what McKenna et al are pondering I imagine. |
And therein lies the issue really. We naturally react by saying 'just walk away' but then what? If there's another Broja out there with no achilles injury on the same terms then of course we would, but we don't live in a perfect world. The attractiveness of the deal is relevant within the context of the alternatives.
Its a sh1tter though. I don't see a world where we can play the first 10 games of the season or so with only 2 recognised 9's, and 1 of them being young Al-Hamadi. I expect to some degree it might also depend on how close Hirst is.
Its a complex picture. What's reassuring is we'll have all the information to make an informed decision on it, which we're clearly taking, rather than doing so at the 11th hour. |  | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:38 - Aug 27 with 1714 views | Churchman |
We got taken to the cleaners on Camera. Maybe for £500k plus wages it was worth the risk but potentially £500k x 60 plus wages isn’t. Given even an insane optimist wouldn’t give him any chance of him being match fit before November, it seems bonkers to me.
Brilliant for Chelsea though.
Maybe the situation isn’t as rumours are suggesting. [Post edited 27 Aug 2024 11:40]
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| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:45 - Aug 27 with 1639 views | pointofblue |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:37 - Aug 27 by _clive_baker_ |
And therein lies the issue really. We naturally react by saying 'just walk away' but then what? If there's another Broja out there with no achilles injury on the same terms then of course we would, but we don't live in a perfect world. The attractiveness of the deal is relevant within the context of the alternatives.
Its a sh1tter though. I don't see a world where we can play the first 10 games of the season or so with only 2 recognised 9's, and 1 of them being young Al-Hamadi. I expect to some degree it might also depend on how close Hirst is.
Its a complex picture. What's reassuring is we'll have all the information to make an informed decision on it, which we're clearly taking, rather than doing so at the 11th hour. |
Personally I'd prefer to go in the season with Delap and Al-Hamidi whilst not making a financial commitment to Broja, than Delap and a crocked Broja with Al-Hamidi sent somewhere on loan. Seven weeks is the current estimate but with achilles being what they are it's a gamble we shouldn't be taking. | |
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| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:47 - Aug 27 with 1629 views | tractorboy1978 |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:38 - Aug 27 by Churchman |
We got taken to the cleaners on Camera. Maybe for £500k plus wages it was worth the risk but potentially £500k x 60 plus wages isn’t. Given even an insane optimist wouldn’t give him any chance of him being match fit before November, it seems bonkers to me.
Brilliant for Chelsea though.
Maybe the situation isn’t as rumours are suggesting. [Post edited 27 Aug 2024 11:40]
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I'd say it is pretty dog sh!t for Chelsea personally. If we do take him they are going to have to take a hair cut on the deal originally agreed in wage contribution and/or on the obligation to buy option. Alternatively they have him sitting outside of their 25 man squad, contributing nothing on his full wage. [Post edited 27 Aug 2024 11:48]
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| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:52 - Aug 27 with 1603 views | portmanking |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:37 - Aug 27 by _clive_baker_ |
And therein lies the issue really. We naturally react by saying 'just walk away' but then what? If there's another Broja out there with no achilles injury on the same terms then of course we would, but we don't live in a perfect world. The attractiveness of the deal is relevant within the context of the alternatives.
Its a sh1tter though. I don't see a world where we can play the first 10 games of the season or so with only 2 recognised 9's, and 1 of them being young Al-Hamadi. I expect to some degree it might also depend on how close Hirst is.
Its a complex picture. What's reassuring is we'll have all the information to make an informed decision on it, which we're clearly taking, rather than doing so at the 11th hour. |
Kevin Denkey, Kasper Dolberg, Ricardo Pepi, Breel Embolo, Akor Adams are just some of the players who could make a similar impact to Broja IMO (for half the price). | | | |
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| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:53 - Aug 27 with 1577 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:32 - Aug 27 by franz_tyson |
Seven weeks should be a deal breaker. Hirst could get fit by then (5--6 weeks more?).
Move on. Don't waste effort on this. This sounds like a p1ss-take.... you spend so much effort setting this up and then you find out at the medical he's got a 7 week lay-off. |
Fair chance it's more than 7 weeks as well I would say. |  |
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| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:55 - Aug 27 with 1549 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:52 - Aug 27 by portmanking |
Kevin Denkey, Kasper Dolberg, Ricardo Pepi, Breel Embolo, Akor Adams are just some of the players who could make a similar impact to Broja IMO (for half the price). |
FFP will play a part in this too. No idea how close we are to our headroom but the Broja deal appeared to be very favourable this season, with an obligation to hit next and beyond if we stay up. Plus Chelsea paying a lot of his wages by all accounts. A straight signing even at £15m would see £3-4m amortised to this years accounts + wages.
Interesting to see how it plays out, but one thing I'm confident about is playing the opening 10 or so games with Delap and AAH as our only 2 number 9's wouldn't have been the plan. | | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:57 - Aug 27 with 1533 views | Churchman |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:47 - Aug 27 by tractorboy1978 |
I'd say it is pretty dog sh!t for Chelsea personally. If we do take him they are going to have to take a hair cut on the deal originally agreed in wage contribution and/or on the obligation to buy option. Alternatively they have him sitting outside of their 25 man squad, contributing nothing on his full wage. [Post edited 27 Aug 2024 11:48]
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Chelsea are looking to unload players any way they can to meet FFP rules (like they matter to the big clubs). They want to get squad numbers down. If they can unload a player they don’t want and who has no chance of playing for at least a third of the season, that’s a brilliant deal even if they save a few £100k on wages and the physio’s time.
Brentford said no thanks - that’s a dog sh!t deal for Chelsea. Laying him off on us for anything, even if it’s a Christmas tub of cheeselets, is a good deal for Chelsea.
I’d rather we swerved this one a see how the bloke is in January. If he’s spent two months as fit as a butchers dog, look again then. | | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 12:00 - Aug 27 with 1508 views | portmanking |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:55 - Aug 27 by _clive_baker_ |
FFP will play a part in this too. No idea how close we are to our headroom but the Broja deal appeared to be very favourable this season, with an obligation to hit next and beyond if we stay up. Plus Chelsea paying a lot of his wages by all accounts. A straight signing even at £15m would see £3-4m amortised to this years accounts + wages.
Interesting to see how it plays out, but one thing I'm confident about is playing the opening 10 or so games with Delap and AAH as our only 2 number 9's wouldn't have been the plan. |
The more I think about it, Akor Adams would be a magnificent alternative. He's one of the most tireless runners/pressers you'll find. Will be on modest wages at Montpellier too. £3m+ amortised would be peanuts if said senior striker keeps us up. Plus, you then have the option to reignite the Broja deal next summer as an established PL outfit. | | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 12:00 - Aug 27 with 1501 views | pointofblue |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:55 - Aug 27 by _clive_baker_ |
FFP will play a part in this too. No idea how close we are to our headroom but the Broja deal appeared to be very favourable this season, with an obligation to hit next and beyond if we stay up. Plus Chelsea paying a lot of his wages by all accounts. A straight signing even at £15m would see £3-4m amortised to this years accounts + wages.
Interesting to see how it plays out, but one thing I'm confident about is playing the opening 10 or so games with Delap and AAH as our only 2 number 9's wouldn't have been the plan. |
Then is it wise to spend £8m on Ogbene when we have Hutchinson, Clarke and Johnson who can all cover the right side, with Burns as an option once he returns from injury? It would be good to have him but, if money is limited, shouldn't every penny be going to towards another striker considering the current situation up top? | |
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| Broja out for seven weeks on 12:01 - Aug 27 with 1495 views | BloomBlue |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:52 - Aug 27 by portmanking |
Kevin Denkey, Kasper Dolberg, Ricardo Pepi, Breel Embolo, Akor Adams are just some of the players who could make a similar impact to Broja IMO (for half the price). |
I liked the idea of Tammy Abraham, who is available, although that now seems to be was available, as he appears to be going to West Ham for £20m.
Just proves there are better and cheaper options available out there. |  | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 12:05 - Aug 27 with 1455 views | BlueOura |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 11:37 - Aug 27 by _clive_baker_ |
And therein lies the issue really. We naturally react by saying 'just walk away' but then what? If there's another Broja out there with no achilles injury on the same terms then of course we would, but we don't live in a perfect world. The attractiveness of the deal is relevant within the context of the alternatives.
Its a sh1tter though. I don't see a world where we can play the first 10 games of the season or so with only 2 recognised 9's, and 1 of them being young Al-Hamadi. I expect to some degree it might also depend on how close Hirst is.
Its a complex picture. What's reassuring is we'll have all the information to make an informed decision on it, which we're clearly taking, rather than doing so at the 11th hour. |
A fully fit Broja would be great for us but we all know that 7 weeks will turn into 10, and then to 15 and before you know it half a season has gone by.
I personally would rather take a Keiffer Moore type as a back up to delap while we wait for Hirst to get fully fit ( which we also have no guarantee on timescale wise ). We simply can't afford to have two number 9's injured indefinitely in my opinion.
I also think Smzodics could do a job in the nine roll if needs be, Obviously we would have to adapt a little as he wont be a focal point / target man type, but I still think he would be a good outlet for us in that position. |  | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 12:08 - Aug 27 with 1441 views | _clive_baker_ |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 12:00 - Aug 27 by portmanking |
The more I think about it, Akor Adams would be a magnificent alternative. He's one of the most tireless runners/pressers you'll find. Will be on modest wages at Montpellier too. £3m+ amortised would be peanuts if said senior striker keeps us up. Plus, you then have the option to reignite the Broja deal next summer as an established PL outfit. |
Not a player I know anything about, but sounds interesting.
Cajuste aside our recruitment has been from the UK, not sure if that's from a risk profile point of view or that our network isn't as broad as looking much further at the moment, but after this window that certainly feels like the areas we're more likely to see value, as clubs like Brighton have done to such good effect. | | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 12:23 - Aug 27 with 1366 views | Leaky |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:41 - Aug 27 by gordon |
Sounds as though Chelsea didn't know about the injury, as well, which is crazy. |
They probably wouldn't even remember his name |  | | |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 21:06 - Aug 27 with 1081 views | Cheltenham_Blue |
The bit everyone seems to be missing is even knowing about the injury, and the time he’ll be out, McKenna still wants him, and for me, that’s good enough.
The re-negotiation is probably adding a clause to the sale that Broja needs to be available for X number of games to make the obligation to buy enforceable. |  |
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| Broja out for seven weeks on 21:32 - Aug 27 with 974 views | MJallday |
| Broja out for seven weeks on 10:46 - Aug 27 by portmanking |
Yup, that's the alarming aspect of the whole saga. They were oblivious to it (thought we were pulling a fast one initially).
These big clubs have a duty of care but how many of them meet their full obligations? |
Tbf Chelsea do have a lot of players. They probably just forgot |  |
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