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That away end is infuriating. 21:17 - Aug 28 with 16186 views

As someone who lives fairly nearby and is just short of 15 points, seeing so many empty seats is so disappointing.

Must be a good 100+ empty seats and it’s clear as day why.

I hope the club can get a read out of who didn’t have their tickets scanned, and deduct the point accordingly.

Unbelievably selfish from people.

That away end is infuriating. on 21:05 - Aug 29 with 1950 views

bazza

That away end is infuriating. on 20:52 - Aug 29 by PrideOfTheEast
And if you’re on a lower points tally than 14?

If your on 11.. you’d be on 12 😂 it’s how the points system works mate

That away end is infuriating. on 21:07 - Aug 29 with 1941 views

PrideOfTheEast

That away end is infuriating. on 21:05 - Aug 29 by bazza
If your on 11.. you’d be on 12 😂 it’s how the points system works mate

Well yes but what’s that going to do in terms of improving chances of getting a ticket?

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That away end is infuriating. on 21:08 - Aug 29 with 1940 views

olimar

Have thought about this a bit more- most of the empty seats were the ones in the corners. Those were the worst seats and almost certainly would have been the last ones to sell out.
Which means two things-
1.) They would have been bought by those with a lower number of points, rather than those looking to protect their higher status
2.) The tickets would have only been bought with a couple of days notice and would have meant they needed to be collected at the stadium. That might potentially have made it complicated for people.

Do think your point is right though and there were odd seats behind the goal all over the place that were empty.

That away end is infuriating. on 21:15 - Aug 29 with 1881 views

yorkshireblue

That away end is infuriating. on 20:42 - Aug 29 by bazza

The problem is there’s genuine fans who couldn’t get a ticket with low points, who lost out to people Who have more than enough points, but because it looks like the previous season will be wiped off each season, are happy To spend £15 to keep The points tally Up and sell the ticket. Shed loads of people Have done it. I think making the cup Games open to anyone to get a ticket, and to gain a point at the same time is fair, if you don’t go you lose the point, but if your someone like me on low points, you have the opportunity to get the point tally up, and get a ticket without them being taken by some people with higher tally who probably just want the point.

The club made it very clear when the points system came in that point would be wiped off on a rolling basis each season.

That away end is infuriating. on 21:20 - Aug 29 with 1863 views

bazza

That away end is infuriating. on 21:15 - Aug 29 by yorkshireblue
The club made it very clear when the points system came in that point would be wiped off on a rolling basis each season.

Yea, so that gives, and encourages people Already on 30+ the opportunity to purchase every ticket and keep It at 30+ regardless of them being wiped each season or actually attending, my point is the cup games if it’s sold as a first come first serve, it give others a chance to attend away matches, and the opportunity to add to the point tally..

That away end is infuriating. on 21:22 - Aug 29 with 1844 views

Buhrer

That away end is infuriating. on 21:07 - Aug 29 by PrideOfTheEast
Well yes but what’s that going to do in terms of improving chances of getting a ticket?

.... Whut?

It would improve your future chances by getting you one more point, and excluding another person on the same or lower points, from gaining a point on you. This behaviour, over time will improve your chances of getting a ticket. Did that need explaining?

That away end is infuriating. on 21:26 - Aug 29 with 1822 views

PrideOfTheEast

That away end is infuriating. on 21:22 - Aug 29 by Buhrer
.... Whut? It would improve your future chances by getting you one more point, and excluding another person on the same or lower points, from gaining a point on you. This behaviour, over time will improve your chances of getting a ticket. Did that need explaining?

But would it if tickets are really only likely to go to people on 15 plus?

So really unless you were on 14 before last night (or potentially close to that) it won’t make any difference at all.

That away end is infuriating. on 21:28 - Aug 29 with 1808 views

bazza

That away end is infuriating. on 21:22 - Aug 29 by Buhrer
.... Whut? It would improve your future chances by getting you one more point, and excluding another person on the same or lower points, from gaining a point on you. This behaviour, over time will improve your chances of getting a ticket. Did that need explaining?

This .. 😂

That away end is infuriating. on 21:31 - Aug 29 with 1789 views

PrideOfTheEast

That away end is infuriating. on 21:28 - Aug 29 by bazza
This .. 😂

Beyond you I suspect but there is clearly a difference in improving points total and (realistically) improving chances of getting a ticket.

That away end is infuriating. on 21:41 - Aug 29 with 1732 views

bazza

That away end is infuriating. on 21:31 - Aug 29 by PrideOfTheEast
Beyond you I suspect but there is clearly a difference in improving points total and (realistically) improving chances of getting a ticket.

What about someone on 9.. who Would have gone to 10+.. and potentially put themselves in with a shout of a weekday evening match if they made it to 10+ .. and also had we progressed yesterday the chance of further points , or in the fa cup.. the chance of further points..

That away end is infuriating. on 21:44 - Aug 29 with 1710 views

PrideOfTheEast

That away end is infuriating. on 21:41 - Aug 29 by bazza
What about someone on 9.. who Would have gone to 10+.. and potentially put themselves in with a shout of a weekday evening match if they made it to 10+ .. and also had we progressed yesterday the chance of further points , or in the fa cup.. the chance of further points..

Ha. Weekday evening away matches like erm Man Utd (Feb) and Bournemouth (smaller allocation than last night!) in April. Yes good one.

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That away end is infuriating. on 21:50 - Aug 29 with 1655 views

Stu_boy

That away end is infuriating. on 21:41 - Aug 29 by bazza
What about someone on 9.. who Would have gone to 10+.. and potentially put themselves in with a shout of a weekday evening match if they made it to 10+ .. and also had we progressed yesterday the chance of further points , or in the fa cup.. the chance of further points..

In reality, anyone on 13 pts prior to last night wouldn't find the extra point any real benefit. Sure of course it puts them on 14 but looking at the facts city away sold out in 3 minutes to 15+, bha sold out in 9 minutes to 15+ so there are a lot of individuals on 15+ struggling to get to games. As the season progresses those on 15+ will move up to 20+ so at some point i suspect away tkts will sell out at 20+ So individuals on 14 pts will struggle even further for future away games

That away end is infuriating. on 21:54 - Aug 29 with 1620 views

NeedhamChris

That away end is infuriating. on 21:50 - Aug 29 by Stu_boy

Using your scenario...

Someone on 13 might well have expected (not unreasonably) us to beat Wimbledon and get another away tie that would have taken them to 15.

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That away end is infuriating. on 21:56 - Aug 29 with 1587 views

pelles321

That away end is infuriating. on 21:41 - Aug 29 by bazza
What about someone on 9.. who Would have gone to 10+.. and potentially put themselves in with a shout of a weekday evening match if they made it to 10+ .. and also had we progressed yesterday the chance of further points , or in the fa cup.. the chance of further points..

I feel you, and some others, may be missing the issue. The arguments seem to be focusing on people from lower bandings having the chance to get a point, to move up the bandings. What would stop those individuals from doing the same thing, and buying a ticket just for the point?

If you don’t get points for cup games then only the people who actually want to see the game will go. The original post was someone frustrated as they wanted to go to the game against Wimbledon, not wanting to go just to improve their chance of going to other games later in the season.

[Post edited 29 Aug 2024 22:00]

That away end is infuriating. on 21:57 - Aug 29 with 1588 views

bazza

That away end is infuriating. on 21:50 - Aug 29 by Stu_boy

There’s a big difference between struggling, and having absolutely no chance whatsoever.

That away end is infuriating. on 22:03 - Aug 29 with 1518 views

Matt_Netherlands

That away end is infuriating. on 21:57 - Aug 29 by bazza
There’s a big difference between struggling, and having absolutely no chance whatsoever.

Sitting here on 14 points I’ve pretty much resigned myself to the fact I won’t get an away ticket all season now. So seeing such obnoxiously selfish behaviour last night is absolutely gutting to be honest.

That away end is infuriating. on 22:08 - Aug 29 with 1489 views

bazza

That away end is infuriating. on 21:56 - Aug 29 by pelles321

[Post edited 29 Aug 2024 22:00]

I actually said in my original Post, if you don’t go, regardless of the circumstances, you lose the point. So only people who want to go would purchase a ticket.. whilst at the same time giving people on less points the opportunity to purchase a ticket for an away match and the opportunity to increase points.. I thought it sounded pretty fair. But maybe I’m wrong.

That away end is infuriating. on 22:16 - Aug 29 with 1419 views

ITFCson

That away end is infuriating. on 22:03 - Aug 29 by Matt_Netherlands
Sitting here on 14 points I’ve pretty much resigned myself to the fact I won’t get an away ticket all season now. So seeing such obnoxiously selfish behaviour last night is absolutely gutting to be honest.

With the barriers to entry in increments of 5's you should of tried to get to just 1 more away game last season. It sucks you are stuck on 14, but with demand significantly higher than supply there will be lots of fans left disappointed. Spare a thought for home fans which is obviously a much bigger proportion of the fan base. Many fans who attended 95%+ games last season are losing out on home tickets to 'fans' who attended as little as one game last season which quite frankly is absurd.

That away end is infuriating. on 22:20 - Aug 29 with 1386 views

NeedhamChris

That away end is infuriating. on 22:16 - Aug 29 by ITFCson

Demand for points is what is outstripping supply here, not demand for a ticket

Your response is a bit dismissive. I could equally say with sell out crowds, you really should have got a season ticket.

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That away end is infuriating. on 22:26 - Aug 29 with 1345 views

olimar

That away end is infuriating. on 13:53 - Aug 29 by Mullet
I think it’s Brentford where you have a strikes system. Presumably, if the club are proactive and do more to stop it now, it becomes less of a problem in the future. There’s been an issue from the get go but I guess now it’s reaching a point where people are getting more wound up? That’s the impression isn’t it? Judging by here and across the fanbase.

Brentfords is for home games only, Arsenal and City (and probably others) do the same, to manage Season Ticket attendance.
I saw something saying that City is 5 games missed before they remove your season ticket.
I assume there is a reason that its more complex to do it with away games?

Ipswich did say that they would randomly make tickets collection only to stop this, so if they did the same last night it might have helped as a deterrent at least (maybe the evidence says not a good one)

That away end is infuriating. on 23:41 - Aug 29 with 1169 views

textbackup

That away end is infuriating. on 20:35 - Aug 29 by NeedhamChris
So what you're saying is as long as the superfans were okay, it's fine to screw over other members of the fan base? Were you one of the hoarders?

Do you want me to send you my ticket stub so you can look at it, if it makes you feel better?

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That away end is infuriating. on 05:09 - Aug 30 with 1059 views

Benters

That away end is infuriating. on 20:46 - Aug 29 by PrideOfTheEast
Is getting that extra 1 point going to do much to those on a low points tally?

Points mean prizes what does it mean ?

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That away end is infuriating. on 07:04 - Aug 30 with 965 views

NeedhamChris

That away end is infuriating. on 23:41 - Aug 29 by textbackup
Do you want me to send you my ticket stub so you can look at it, if it makes you feel better?

What are you going on about?

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ITFCson

That away end is infuriating. on 22:20 - Aug 29 by NeedhamChris
Demand for points is what is outstripping supply here, not demand for a ticket Your response is a bit dismissive. I could equally say with sell out crowds, you really should have got a season ticket.

You could, and yes a little naive on my part at start of last season, as I did not foresee a situation whereby A) we get the the prem so soon and B) the club would decide on such a bizarre/unfair system for buying home tickets. I attended 100% home games last season and was happy with that decision at that time, not having a ST allowed me to sit in a different area each game if I so wished.
However last season I think it would of been a lot more predictable to foresee how away point would work this season.

That away end is infuriating. on 07:23 - Aug 30 with 896 views

Leaky

That away end is infuriating. on 21:26 - Aug 29 by PrideOfTheEast
But would it if tickets are really only likely to go to people on 15 plus? So really unless you were on 14 before last night (or potentially close to that) it won’t make any difference at all.

15 points was not that difficult to achieve. 5 points for a membership last season attend 5 away games 5 points for a membership this season job done

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