| Declan Rice red card 09:18 - Sep 2 with 5760 views | Pinewoodblue |
Disappointed Ref hasn’t been man enough to admit he made a mistake.
OK Rice did kick the ball away but since it was still moving he didn’t delay play as kick would have had to be taken again.
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| Declan Rice red card on 09:21 - Sep 2 with 4598 views | Linners |
I have no issue with the second yellow for Rice. I'm absolutely convinced he knew what he was doing in terms of preventing a quick free kick. What is a bit weird though is that the Brighton player also knew exactly what he was doing and takes a 'free hit' against Rice. Surely that's violent conduct? I'd have sent them both off. |  | | |
| Declan Rice red card on 09:24 - Sep 2 with 4561 views | rickw |
I don't think it's a mistake - it's correct as per the law, however usually here Ref's will just give the player a final warning for that instead of sending someone off for something so trivial |  |
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| Declan Rice red card on 09:27 - Sep 2 with 4499 views | WeirdFishes |
I think he got that decision spot on.
Probably should have also booked Joao Pedro for the same thing earlier in the game however. Although it does make the Arsenal melt down all the funnier. |  |
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| Declan Rice red card on 09:27 - Sep 2 with 4495 views | Trequartista |
| Declan Rice red card on 09:21 - Sep 2 by Linners |
I have no issue with the second yellow for Rice. I'm absolutely convinced he knew what he was doing in terms of preventing a quick free kick. What is a bit weird though is that the Brighton player also knew exactly what he was doing and takes a 'free hit' against Rice. Surely that's violent conduct? I'd have sent them both off. |
It was more kicking the ball away rather than preventing a quick free kick because the ball hadn't been placed for a free-kick.
Looking forward to the 1561 yellow cards during the next round of games for players nudging a ball away after a free kick has been given. |  |
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| Declan Rice red card on 09:28 - Sep 2 with 4490 views | Linners |
| Declan Rice red card on 09:24 - Sep 2 by rickw |
I don't think it's a mistake - it's correct as per the law, however usually here Ref's will just give the player a final warning for that instead of sending someone off for something so trivial |
True. To contradict what I said above, yes, that would've been the alternative, you could have got them both together, stern chat, handshakes and stop being idiot message. I don't think it would have been controversial to do that. | | | |
| Declan Rice red card on 09:28 - Sep 2 with 4486 views | BrentwoodBlagger2 |
The mistake by the ref was not yellow carding the Brighton player for blasting the ball away in the first half when it was clearly out for a throw in. |  | | |
| Declan Rice red card on 09:32 - Sep 2 with 4398 views | EastTownBlue |
| Declan Rice red card on 09:24 - Sep 2 by rickw |
I don't think it's a mistake - it's correct as per the law, however usually here Ref's will just give the player a final warning for that instead of sending someone off for something so trivial |
Yes, not a mistake in law but it is something that couldn't be consistently applied during the course of a match. | | | |
| Declan Rice red card on 09:41 - Sep 2 with 4295 views | Mookamoo |
| Declan Rice red card on 09:28 - Sep 2 by BrentwoodBlagger2 |
The mistake by the ref was not yellow carding the Brighton player for blasting the ball away in the first half when it was clearly out for a throw in. |
Didnt he blast it back to the Arsenal keeper once the ball was already out of play. I could understand the melt down if it was in row Z.
Anyway, with multiple balls ready to be thrown back in, it didn't delay the game kicking that one away.
Rice kicked away the ball that was on the field.
I do love these petty moments, especially when it's Arsenal |  | | |
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| Declan Rice red card on 09:43 - Sep 2 with 4270 views | HighgateBlue |
Harsh but not unfair in my view.
The relevant part of the law is this:
"Referees must caution players who delay the restart of play by:
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- kicking or carrying the ball away, or provoking a confrontation by deliberately touching the ball after the referee has stopped play
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If the ref considered that Rice delayed the restart by kicking the ball away, he has no choice. It's not even a matter of discretion, and the fact that he's already on a yellow is simply not relevant. (I appreciate you didn't say it was, but many have).
The ball was on the field of play and he kicked it off the field of play. I think the referee is entitled to consider that that delayed the restart. To many, this is harsh. I agree that it's harsh. But I don't think it's a mistake so much as a question of judgment.
I accept that refs are human and may be influenced by human factors, including the fact that he's already on a yellow (even though that is irrelevant under the laws). Such human factors include whether the act in question is petulant, or done in good humour, or whatever, and also the effect of the act. To me, kicking the ball off the field looked childish, and unquestionably delayed the freekick, albeit not by very long. As for the impact, well it's not about delay in terms of fans wanting to get home in time, it's about spoiling the opposing team's right to take a quick free kick. You'll sometimes get away with it, especially if you don't do it in a petulant way, and all teams do need a bit of 'game management' and 'sh*thousery', but in practising these dark arts you /always/ run a risk, and when you get caught, I don't think there can be too many complaints.
If he wasn't already on a yellow, this incident would have received a shrug. |  | | |
| Declan Rice red card on 09:47 - Sep 2 with 4238 views | SitfcB |
Ridiculous red card.
The ball was kicked towards him, he gently poked it, don’t think it even left the pitch? Hardly booted it away.
Veltman should’ve seen red for the kick. |  |
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| Declan Rice red card on 10:10 - Sep 2 with 4056 views | Deano69 |
| Declan Rice red card on 09:47 - Sep 2 by SitfcB |
Ridiculous red card.
The ball was kicked towards him, he gently poked it, don’t think it even left the pitch? Hardly booted it away.
Veltman should’ve seen red for the kick. |
That's where it has all become utter nonsense.
Yellow card for chopping someone's legs, yellow card leading to a red for someone that taps a ball rolled towards him 4 feet.
Another infuriating aspect of this 'kicking the ball away' thing is that if you pick it up and walk away with it you get away with it 99 times out of 100 yet have the same effect. |  |
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| Declan Rice red card on 10:13 - Sep 2 with 4013 views | AlanG296 |
Free kick awarded to the opposition, don't touch the ball, get 10 yards away without delay. Simple to do but sadly rarely happens. Petty cheating. | | | |
| Declan Rice red card on 10:21 - Sep 2 with 3963 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Declan Rice red card on 09:47 - Sep 2 by SitfcB |
Ridiculous red card.
The ball was kicked towards him, he gently poked it, don’t think it even left the pitch? Hardly booted it away.
Veltman should’ve seen red for the kick. |
Especially as the ball was still moving when Rice nudged it.
Players delay an opposition free kick more often than not. Players taking free kicks also frequently waste time.
Common sense should have prevailed. | |
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| Declan Rice red card on 10:22 - Sep 2 with 3960 views | blueoxford |
It was the correct decision but:
1. If he books Rice for that offence, he should have booked the Brighton player earlier in the game for the same offence and
2. The Brighton player should have been booked for deliberately kicking Rice | | | |
| Declan Rice red card on 10:30 - Sep 2 with 3886 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Declan Rice red card on 10:22 - Sep 2 by blueoxford |
It was the correct decision but:
1. If he books Rice for that offence, he should have booked the Brighton player earlier in the game for the same offence and
2. The Brighton player should have been booked for deliberately kicking Rice |
3. Welbeck should have been booked for pointing out it should be a second yellow. | |
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| Declan Rice red card on 10:39 - Sep 2 with 3820 views | AlanG296 |
Have a lot of sympathy for refs. Consistency will never come when there are 22 pathetic petty cheats on the field at any time, e.g.claiming throw ins etc. when they know they last touched the ball, pushing shoving and holding, delaying restarts, etc etc etc. Petty pathetic cheating is ingrained into them by managers, coaches. | | | |
| Declan Rice red card on 10:43 - Sep 2 with 3797 views | lazyblue |
| Declan Rice red card on 09:21 - Sep 2 by Linners |
I have no issue with the second yellow for Rice. I'm absolutely convinced he knew what he was doing in terms of preventing a quick free kick. What is a bit weird though is that the Brighton player also knew exactly what he was doing and takes a 'free hit' against Rice. Surely that's violent conduct? I'd have sent them both off. |
He slyly kicked the ball away so what am I missing? | | | |
| Declan Rice red card on 10:48 - Sep 2 with 3767 views | tonybied |
| Declan Rice red card on 10:10 - Sep 2 by Deano69 |
That's where it has all become utter nonsense.
Yellow card for chopping someone's legs, yellow card leading to a red for someone that taps a ball rolled towards him 4 feet.
Another infuriating aspect of this 'kicking the ball away' thing is that if you pick it up and walk away with it you get away with it 99 times out of 100 yet have the same effect. |
Yup, Philips did the "pick the ball up and walk off with it routine" 2-3 times for us on Saturday without any consequences. |  | | |
| Declan Rice red card on 11:00 - Sep 2 with 3712 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| Declan Rice red card on 09:28 - Sep 2 by Linners |
True. To contradict what I said above, yes, that would've been the alternative, you could have got them both together, stern chat, handshakes and stop being idiot message. I don't think it would have been controversial to do that. |
It is one of those decisions like removing the shirt that is a mandatory booking. The referee has no room for discretion or able to apply commonsense, hence his shrug as he hands the card out. | | | |
| Declan Rice red card on 11:03 - Sep 2 with 3694 views | Blue_In_Boston |
| Declan Rice red card on 10:39 - Sep 2 by AlanG296 |
Have a lot of sympathy for refs. Consistency will never come when there are 22 pathetic petty cheats on the field at any time, e.g.claiming throw ins etc. when they know they last touched the ball, pushing shoving and holding, delaying restarts, etc etc etc. Petty pathetic cheating is ingrained into them by managers, coaches. |
Perfectly put. The referee is the only guy on the field of play who isn't trying to cheat or gain any advantage. | | | |
| Declan Rice red card on 11:03 - Sep 2 with 3694 views | PhilTWTD |
| Declan Rice red card on 10:22 - Sep 2 by blueoxford |
It was the correct decision but:
1. If he books Rice for that offence, he should have booked the Brighton player earlier in the game for the same offence and
2. The Brighton player should have been booked for deliberately kicking Rice |
Shouldn't the Brighton player have been sent off for deliberately kicking Rice? I can see why the ref sent Rice off for kicking the ball away but the greater offence was surely the Brighton playing kicking him. |  | | |
| Declan Rice red card on 12:12 - Sep 2 with 3429 views | Mookamoo |
| Declan Rice red card on 11:03 - Sep 2 by PhilTWTD |
Shouldn't the Brighton player have been sent off for deliberately kicking Rice? I can see why the ref sent Rice off for kicking the ball away but the greater offence was surely the Brighton playing kicking him. |
Suppose he could argue Rice shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Although I did try to argue that when I drove into the back of someone at a roundabout and didn't get very far. | | | |
| Declan Rice red card on 13:02 - Sep 2 with 3227 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Declan Rice red card on 11:03 - Sep 2 by PhilTWTD |
Shouldn't the Brighton player have been sent off for deliberately kicking Rice? I can see why the ref sent Rice off for kicking the ball away but the greater offence was surely the Brighton playing kicking him. |
The Brighton player had also already kicked the ball at Rice. | |
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| Declan Rice red card on 13:11 - Sep 2 with 3184 views | PhilTWTD |
| Declan Rice red card on 12:12 - Sep 2 by Mookamoo |
Suppose he could argue Rice shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Although I did try to argue that when I drove into the back of someone at a roundabout and didn't get very far. |
Indeed, not sure 'he shouldn't have been there in the first place' is a very strong argument when he's just been deliberately kicked! | | | |
| Declan Rice red card on 14:21 - Sep 2 with 2892 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
| Declan Rice red card on 09:47 - Sep 2 by SitfcB |
Ridiculous red card.
The ball was kicked towards him, he gently poked it, don’t think it even left the pitch? Hardly booted it away.
Veltman should’ve seen red for the kick. |
Couldn't agree more.
Ridiculous red card and terrible decision from the referee. You cannot give a red card in that situation. |  |
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