| Lucy Letby 22:53 - Oct 1 with 1648 views | Zx1988 |
These murmurings about the evidence given at her trial just keep coming, and from senior professionals who should know their onions as well:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c89l05e97vqo
The more and more I read/hear about all of this, the less sound the conviction appears to me, and the weaker the grounds for the continued refusal of an appeal.
Then you have attitudes like this from the judiciary:
A public inquiry is under way to establish how Letby was able to murder and injure babies. At its opening Lady Justice Thirlwall was scathing about those who have questioned the verdicts, saying this was causing “enormous additional distress to the parents”.
Given that a lot of the questioning is coming from decent sources, should the judiciary be trying quite so hard to quash dissent here? |  |
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| Lucy Letby on 23:05 - Oct 1 with 1557 views | factual_blue |
There's a lot about this in most editions of Private Eye, from the excellent Dr Phil Hammond.
The so-called statistical evidence used in court sound shot to pieces. |  |
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| Lucy Letby on 00:55 - Oct 2 with 1341 views | ronnyd |
I see that one of the reporters in that link are aptly named. | | | |
| Lucy Letby on 01:19 - Oct 2 with 1308 views | Ryorry |
There was a File on 4 docu on it on R4 y'day eve, 8pm. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0023vnp
EDIT: sorry, didn’t realise your link was to the same show.
Personally I thought the prog. was too 'both-sided' & too short to do her case justice - the problems with the hospital's own shortcomings (very short-staffed & ill-equipped at the time for starters) were barely mentioned.
There was an excellent TV docu on her case a few months ago which was much better. Several very senior & experienced health professionals in it threw doubt on the soundness of the case and Letby's conviction.
Agree that the conviction, entirely based on circumstantial evidence a lot of which is flawed, doesn't seem safe at all. There were similar multiple infant deaths at at least one other UK hospital around that time which was put down to infections from a faulty sanitation system - backwashing from handwash-basins which became contaminated with lavatory waste water, iirc. A similar problem was indeed reported & recorded on multiple occasions by plumber/s on Letby's ward in her hospital at that time - once a week was mentioned (again not mentioned in the File on 4 prog). [Post edited 2 Oct 10:35]
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| Lucy Letby on 07:09 - Oct 2 with 1058 views | Zx1988 |
I may be very wrong, but it also feels to me that the inquiry has happened rather quickly. Don't these normally take a while to set up, whilst this one has commenced almost before the ink has dried on the verdict.
Putting my tin foil hat on for a second, it's almost as if those pulling the strings know the conviction to be unsafe (and, perhaps, that there is a different cause that, if known, would make the wrong people look bad), hence the rush to an inquiry and the unusually strong stance towards dissent. | |
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| Lucy Letby on 08:00 - Oct 2 with 855 views | Steve_M |
| Lucy Letby on 07:09 - Oct 2 by Zx1988 |
I may be very wrong, but it also feels to me that the inquiry has happened rather quickly. Don't these normally take a while to set up, whilst this one has commenced almost before the ink has dried on the verdict.
Putting my tin foil hat on for a second, it's almost as if those pulling the strings know the conviction to be unsafe (and, perhaps, that there is a different cause that, if known, would make the wrong people look bad), hence the rush to an inquiry and the unusually strong stance towards dissent. |
The inquiry is less about the verdict than the institutional failings at Countess of Chester Hospital, regardless of Letby's guilt there are many. |  |
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| Lucy Letby on 09:09 - Oct 2 with 719 views | WeWereZombies |
| Lucy Letby on 08:00 - Oct 2 by Steve_M |
The inquiry is less about the verdict than the institutional failings at Countess of Chester Hospital, regardless of Letby's guilt there are many. |
It is still important that if an individual has been wrongly convicted, or correctly found guilty but without the full range of evidence that explains the circumstances (and therefore affects the sentencing) that sufficient due process is applied to any future appeal. |  |
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| Lucy Letby on 09:12 - Oct 2 with 669 views | Zx1988 |
| Lucy Letby on 09:09 - Oct 2 by WeWereZombies |
It is still important that if an individual has been wrongly convicted, or correctly found guilty but without the full range of evidence that explains the circumstances (and therefore affects the sentencing) that sufficient due process is applied to any future appeal. |
That's my concern, and what I was (perhaps clumsily) getting at with my comments about the inquiry.
Holding the inquiry now, despite the seemingly legitimate concerns from senior professionals, presents Letby's guilt as a matter of complete and utter fact, and will therefore influence the tack of the inquiry. The focus, rightly or wrongly, will be on "how did institutional failings allow Letby to kill?" rather than, potentially, "how did institutional failings lead to the deaths of these babies?". | |
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| Lucy Letby on 10:47 - Oct 2 with 452 views | Ryorry |
| Lucy Letby on 09:12 - Oct 2 by Zx1988 |
That's my concern, and what I was (perhaps clumsily) getting at with my comments about the inquiry.
Holding the inquiry now, despite the seemingly legitimate concerns from senior professionals, presents Letby's guilt as a matter of complete and utter fact, and will therefore influence the tack of the inquiry. The focus, rightly or wrongly, will be on "how did institutional failings allow Letby to kill?" rather than, potentially, "how did institutional failings lead to the deaths of these babies?". |
What’s completely bizarre is that every stout defender of her convictions completely ignores the recorded multiple sanitation failures of a waste pipe carrying faecal matter backwashing into a handwashing basin on that ward. A parallel case of that at another UK hospital around that time was held responsible for the deaths of many babies due to infection, having shown symptoms similar to those on Letby’s ward. I think that’s one reason so many of her fellow nurses are supporting her and believe her conviction is unsafe.
Also, there were several other deaths of babies on Letby’s ward when she was NOT on duty. Those duty rosters weren’t looked at, nor were the duty rosters of doctors and other staff at the times she was on and held responsible. [Post edited 2 Oct 11:15]
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