| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like 22:57 - Oct 8 with 7894 views | ElderGrizzly |
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| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 23:01 - Oct 8 with 5294 views | redrickstuhaart |
What is almost more alarming is the number of replies on that thread suggesting it is some deep state conspiracy.... |  | | |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 23:06 - Oct 8 with 5247 views | tampa_bay |
I was due to fly into Tampa on Wednesday afternoon but obviously that was cancelled. Heading that way on Thursday now. My family have already evacuated. Looks like I’ll be spending my first few days cleaning up……assuming there’s anything left to clean up! |  | | |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 07:57 - Oct 9 with 4856 views | bluelagos |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 23:01 - Oct 8 by redrickstuhaart |
What is almost more alarming is the number of replies on that thread suggesting it is some deep state conspiracy.... |
Any locals believing that could well be testing Darwin's law to its limits over the coming hours. |  |
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| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 08:43 - Oct 9 with 4727 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Some say it could be the worst for 100 years. Climate change goes back further than Guardian readers can comprehend.
Don’t recall Jasmine and Johnny telling people to practice DIY and pack their wellies when buying a holiday home in Florida. | |
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| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 08:45 - Oct 9 with 4747 views | DanTheMan |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 23:01 - Oct 8 by redrickstuhaart |
What is almost more alarming is the number of replies on that thread suggesting it is some deep state conspiracy.... |
The one doing the rounds is that the democrats are controlling the weather and targeting Florida.
I guess that's easier to stomach than we've pumped a lot of energy into the ocean and it's come back to bite us. |  |
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| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 08:46 - Oct 9 with 4732 views | DanTheMan |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 23:06 - Oct 8 by tampa_bay |
I was due to fly into Tampa on Wednesday afternoon but obviously that was cancelled. Heading that way on Thursday now. My family have already evacuated. Looks like I’ll be spending my first few days cleaning up……assuming there’s anything left to clean up! |
Hope you and your family stay safe. | |
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| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 09:00 - Oct 9 with 4698 views | blueasfook |
I recently read a good article about how hurricanes begin in East Africa. Winds begin in Ethiopia, blow across the Sahara where they pick up heat and then out into the Atlantic ocean where they begin their westward journey and become storm systems. The ocean heat feeds them and by the time they reach the Carribean they've become powerful cyclones.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201014-the-desert-that-gives-birth-to-the-m |  |
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| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 09:28 - Oct 9 with 4583 views | vilanovablue |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 23:01 - Oct 8 by redrickstuhaart |
What is almost more alarming is the number of replies on that thread suggesting it is some deep state conspiracy.... |
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| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 09:35 - Oct 9 with 4557 views | NthQldITFC |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 08:45 - Oct 9 by DanTheMan |
The one doing the rounds is that the democrats are controlling the weather and targeting Florida.
I guess that's easier to stomach than we've pumped a lot of energy into the ocean and it's come back to bite us. |
The bigger problem, perhaps, is the people in the middle between the hopeless, ignorant, uneducated loonies and the activists, who aren't actually doing anything much in terms of democratically changing the fundamentals of gross consumerism and energy consumption as planetary catastrophe looms.
I include myself in that. |  |
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| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 09:37 - Oct 9 with 4546 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 07:57 - Oct 9 by bluelagos |
Any locals believing that could well be testing Darwin's law to its limits over the coming hours. |
Without making it about Trump, one of his promises is to gut the agency that monitors hurricanes and other extreme weather because he and his MAGA friends think they over-egg climate change.
He would make responses much worse and most of the states affected are Republican. | | | |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 09:38 - Oct 9 with 4529 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 09:00 - Oct 9 by blueasfook |
I recently read a good article about how hurricanes begin in East Africa. Winds begin in Ethiopia, blow across the Sahara where they pick up heat and then out into the Atlantic ocean where they begin their westward journey and become storm systems. The ocean heat feeds them and by the time they reach the Carribean they've become powerful cyclones.
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201014-the-desert-that-gives-birth-to-the-m |
This year the temperature of the Atlantic around the USA is over around 1.3c higher than normal which gives even more power to the hurricanes. | | | |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 09:42 - Oct 9 with 4508 views | Guthrum |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 08:43 - Oct 9 by ElephantintheRoom |
Some say it could be the worst for 100 years. Climate change goes back further than Guardian readers can comprehend.
Don’t recall Jasmine and Johnny telling people to practice DIY and pack their wellies when buying a holiday home in Florida. |
It's not the fact of change, but the rate of change which is most alarming. |  |
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| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 09:46 - Oct 9 with 4492 views | CaptainAhab |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 09:37 - Oct 9 by ElderGrizzly |
Without making it about Trump, one of his promises is to gut the agency that monitors hurricanes and other extreme weather because he and his MAGA friends think they over-egg climate change.
He would make responses much worse and most of the states affected are Republican. |
A bit like when he thought he could reduce COVID by stopping people testing for it... | | | |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 10:02 - Oct 9 with 4412 views | Meadowlark |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 23:06 - Oct 8 by tampa_bay |
I was due to fly into Tampa on Wednesday afternoon but obviously that was cancelled. Heading that way on Thursday now. My family have already evacuated. Looks like I’ll be spending my first few days cleaning up……assuming there’s anything left to clean up! |
Hope everything works out OK. Sounds like a bad situation. |  | | |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 10:06 - Oct 9 with 4396 views | Ryorry |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 09:37 - Oct 9 by ElderGrizzly |
Without making it about Trump, one of his promises is to gut the agency that monitors hurricanes and other extreme weather because he and his MAGA friends think they over-egg climate change.
He would make responses much worse and most of the states affected are Republican. |
On the bright side - see paragraphs 7-11 re responding to natural disasters - T.rump’s gone too far even for some influential fellow-Republicans -
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| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 10:13 - Oct 9 with 4362 views | Guthrum |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 23:01 - Oct 8 by redrickstuhaart |
What is almost more alarming is the number of replies on that thread suggesting it is some deep state conspiracy.... |
What was once a struggle over jobs and livelihoods has become a cosmic and ideological battle - leaving rationality behind in the process.
Most of America's (and Britain's) most economically devatated areas - thhose which were once prosperous and therefore also populous - specialised in mining and heavy industry. The very things which were most polluting and contributory to climate change.
The fact they departed was not to do with ecology, but economics (competition, wages, cost of extraction). However, there is still a desire to turn back the clock, to restore what they had, to resurrect the early 1960s (when Silent Spring first came out) - and ecology does stand in the way of that.
So to understand the grass-roots feelings correctly, it's not a wish to ignore climate change through ignorance or fear, but instead a strong desire to return jobs and prosperity to areas now blighted by poverty and hopelessness. You're arguing (sometimes abstract) science against people's basic need to provide for themselves and their families. You're asking them to sacrifice what little hope they have for the benefit of others. | |
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| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 10:18 - Oct 9 with 4334 views | Ryorry |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 09:38 - Oct 9 by ElderGrizzly |
This year the temperature of the Atlantic around the USA is over around 1.3c higher than normal which gives even more power to the hurricanes. |
Not just the Atlantic - the Med too, and Europe is heating up at twice the rate of any other continent, according to the docu on the sinking of that super-yacht recently (the show thinks it likely a downburst was the cause of the sudden capsize of the vessel).
15 waterspouts were recorded in the sea on one day near Sicily not long ago, 220 ships driven aground. | |
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| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 10:34 - Oct 9 with 4266 views | NthQldITFC |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 10:18 - Oct 9 by Ryorry |
Not just the Atlantic - the Med too, and Europe is heating up at twice the rate of any other continent, according to the docu on the sinking of that super-yacht recently (the show thinks it likely a downburst was the cause of the sudden capsize of the vessel).
15 waterspouts were recorded in the sea on one day near Sicily not long ago, 220 ships driven aground. |
Check this fkr out: https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/sst_daily/?dm_id=world2
I thought we might see some miracle decrease a few months ago, but the bu99er's on the way back up again.
That's an average of sea surface temperatures across the middle of the planet between 60N and 60S. The poles (I think) are even worse. Terrifying.
I must admit that I haven't looked to see if there's any recent analysis of this data, maybe there's a measurement system explanation? Too scary. | |
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| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 10:38 - Oct 9 with 4251 views | NthQldITFC |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 10:13 - Oct 9 by Guthrum |
What was once a struggle over jobs and livelihoods has become a cosmic and ideological battle - leaving rationality behind in the process.
Most of America's (and Britain's) most economically devatated areas - thhose which were once prosperous and therefore also populous - specialised in mining and heavy industry. The very things which were most polluting and contributory to climate change.
The fact they departed was not to do with ecology, but economics (competition, wages, cost of extraction). However, there is still a desire to turn back the clock, to restore what they had, to resurrect the early 1960s (when Silent Spring first came out) - and ecology does stand in the way of that.
So to understand the grass-roots feelings correctly, it's not a wish to ignore climate change through ignorance or fear, but instead a strong desire to return jobs and prosperity to areas now blighted by poverty and hopelessness. You're arguing (sometimes abstract) science against people's basic need to provide for themselves and their families. You're asking them to sacrifice what little hope they have for the benefit of others. |
I think the argument is better (more fundamentally and less specifically) explained as sacrificing excess for the benefit of everybody's future. That applies to individuals because they can (in many places and in theory anyway) democratically affect fundamental change.
It's for our children really. | |
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| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 11:13 - Oct 9 with 4155 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 09:42 - Oct 9 by Guthrum |
It's not the fact of change, but the rate of change which is most alarming. |
The rate of change is only alarming if you think the world only began 20 years ago and despair that weather appears to be cyclical, despite owning an electric car.
The fad for giving storms names and measuring them in $ of damage mainly illustrates the folly of ever increasing development in hurricane zones. Florida had much worse hurricanes in the 1920s - but as it was largely an uninhabited swamp then and 24 hr news didn’t exist, nobody cared overmuch. Tampa has been at risk from a major hurricane for decades - it was always going to happen eventually , much to the joy of doomsayers.
Imagine what those Hunter gatherers must have thought of climate change in the ice age. Maybe be they stopped making wood fires. | |
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| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 12:13 - Oct 9 with 4036 views | Blueschev |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 11:13 - Oct 9 by ElephantintheRoom |
The rate of change is only alarming if you think the world only began 20 years ago and despair that weather appears to be cyclical, despite owning an electric car.
The fad for giving storms names and measuring them in $ of damage mainly illustrates the folly of ever increasing development in hurricane zones. Florida had much worse hurricanes in the 1920s - but as it was largely an uninhabited swamp then and 24 hr news didn’t exist, nobody cared overmuch. Tampa has been at risk from a major hurricane for decades - it was always going to happen eventually , much to the joy of doomsayers.
Imagine what those Hunter gatherers must have thought of climate change in the ice age. Maybe be they stopped making wood fires. |
That's right up there with some of your football posts. |  | | |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 12:54 - Oct 9 with 3878 views | NthQldITFC |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 12:13 - Oct 9 by Blueschev |
That's right up there with some of your football posts. |
I saw that drivel before I logged in. Prize berk. | |
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| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 13:18 - Oct 9 with 3792 views | ElderGrizzly |
Not much better news this morning.
Throw a few tornadoes in there too
A work colleague in Tampa has 'fled' to Miami yesterday and said there are still so many people not taking it seriously. [Post edited 9 Oct 2024 13:19]
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| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 13:27 - Oct 9 with 3739 views | baxterbasics |
My Sister and her family live right by the predicted path, albeit inland a ways so the hope is it will have lost some energy by then.
They are sheltering in place - the house is a newish build designed to stand firm, not in a flood-risk area, and they have decent shutters over the windows (it looks like they are ready for the purge), and enough supplies to cope with any loss of power or water. |  |
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| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 13:28 - Oct 9 with 3740 views | leitrimblue |
| Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 12:54 - Oct 9 by NthQldITFC |
I saw that drivel before I logged in. Prize berk. |
That's because unlike Elephant here you are unaware that a handful of hunter gatherers lighting fires in the Mesolithic as the same effect on climate change as our modern industrial processes..  |  | | |
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