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Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 11:13 - Oct 9 by ElephantintheRoom
The rate of change is only alarming if you think the world only began 20 years ago and despair that weather appears to be cyclical, despite owning an electric car.
The fad for giving storms names and measuring them in $ of damage mainly illustrates the folly of ever increasing development in hurricane zones. Florida had much worse hurricanes in the 1920s - but as it was largely an uninhabited swamp then and 24 hr news didn’t exist, nobody cared overmuch. Tampa has been at risk from a major hurricane for decades - it was always going to happen eventually , much to the joy of doomsayers.
Imagine what those Hunter gatherers must have thought of climate change in the ice age. Maybe be they stopped making wood fires.
The rate of change at the end of the last ice age was measured in centuries. Presently it's in decades.
This is less about storm damage in Florida, more ice-core, tree ring and pollen records looking over the longer term. All of those show a rapid change in recent times.
Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 10:38 - Oct 9 by NthQldITFC
I think the argument is better (more fundamentally and less specifically) explained as sacrificing excess for the benefit of everybody's future. That applies to individuals because they can (in many places and in theory anyway) democratically affect fundamental change.
It's for our children really.
I was talking specifically, about the roots of the Trumpian-style rejection of Climate Change. It's not really fair to treat them all as wilful idiots, even if their logic is not our logic.
Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 15:41 - Oct 9 by giant_stow
The middle para is not so bad.
"The fad for giving storms names and measuring them in $ of damage mainly illustrates the folly of ever increasing development in hurricane zones."
The first bit of this seems to directly undermine the efforts of the UNDRR Early Warning for All initiative. It is a huge task to predict storm intensity, what hazards it may bring and then identity the exposure and vulnerability of a given geographical location. Naming storms is a good way to alert the public to the dangers they will face.
The second bit is your friends in economics. The likes of Ted and William Nordhaus who have convinced politicians, planners, finance experts that climate change is trivial and we can just adapt to any circumstance thrown at us.
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Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 16:29 - Oct 9 with 1592 views
Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 09:37 - Oct 9 by ElderGrizzly
Without making it about Trump, one of his promises is to gut the agency that monitors hurricanes and other extreme weather because he and his MAGA friends think they over-egg climate change.
He would make responses much worse and most of the states affected are Republican.
Fear not, with one quick swipe of his sharpie on a whiteboard he will be able to divert the path of any oncoming storms.
Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 16:12 - Oct 9 by CoachRob
"The fad for giving storms names and measuring them in $ of damage mainly illustrates the folly of ever increasing development in hurricane zones."
The first bit of this seems to directly undermine the efforts of the UNDRR Early Warning for All initiative. It is a huge task to predict storm intensity, what hazards it may bring and then identity the exposure and vulnerability of a given geographical location. Naming storms is a good way to alert the public to the dangers they will face.
The second bit is your friends in economics. The likes of Ted and William Nordhaus who have convinced politicians, planners, finance experts that climate change is trivial and we can just adapt to any circumstance thrown at us.
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Maybe I should have been more precise. I have no problem with naming storms. The point I could see sense in was the dangers of development in environmentally dangerous areas. Its the same point people make in this country about building on flood plains. I spose the trouble is that these are often some of the prettiest areas too.
Hope that clears things up.
Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry. Was Ullaa
Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 11:13 - Oct 9 by ElephantintheRoom
The rate of change is only alarming if you think the world only began 20 years ago and despair that weather appears to be cyclical, despite owning an electric car.
The fad for giving storms names and measuring them in $ of damage mainly illustrates the folly of ever increasing development in hurricane zones. Florida had much worse hurricanes in the 1920s - but as it was largely an uninhabited swamp then and 24 hr news didn’t exist, nobody cared overmuch. Tampa has been at risk from a major hurricane for decades - it was always going to happen eventually , much to the joy of doomsayers.
Imagine what those Hunter gatherers must have thought of climate change in the ice age. Maybe be they stopped making wood fires.
This one’s already produced stronger reported winds (175 mph) than anything in the 1920s (165 mph). Historical ones are likely to have been more destructive and deadly because of the lack of forecasting and risk management measures you’re so cynical of. So that post’s all a bit of a word salad.
Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 15:17 - Oct 9 by Guthrum
The rate of change at the end of the last ice age was measured in centuries. Presently it's in decades.
This is less about storm damage in Florida, more ice-core, tree ring and pollen records looking over the longer term. All of those show a rapid change in recent times.
It’s a cycle. All perfectly normal. Things were much worse in Florida in the 1920s and 1860s when nobody lived in such a ghastly hellhole As is a bit of a whopper becoming much weaker once it hits land.
Once again the suicidally located city of Tampa had a narrow escape - but eventually it will be hit by a hurricane - and when it does the extensive damage will be due to poor urban planning not god deciding to end his world.
Hurricane Milton - sobering video of what the storm surge could be like on 10:30 - Oct 10 by ElephantintheRoom
It’s a cycle. All perfectly normal. Things were much worse in Florida in the 1920s and 1860s when nobody lived in such a ghastly hellhole As is a bit of a whopper becoming much weaker once it hits land.
Once again the suicidally located city of Tampa had a narrow escape - but eventually it will be hit by a hurricane - and when it does the extensive damage will be due to poor urban planning not god deciding to end his world.
“All’s perfectly fine so far” said the smiling man as he fell past the 20th floor window of the Empire State Building.
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