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Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 10:25 - Oct 16 by smithy69
It’s been ignored 3 times. But in Karate you kick to the face/head :)
It’s hardly tidlywinks mate
I've already answered you on this. A kick to the side of the head (which is where you'd be aiming, to score points) is nowhere near as hard as a punch to the face. Have you ever tried to kick someone in the head when they're standing in front of you?! It's hard enough to even get your leg up that high, let alone generate much power. The head kicks are for scoring points, they're not trying to knock out the opponent.
And as I also replied to you before, I never said it was completely safe/tiddlywinks. Mate.
Trust the process. Trust Phil.
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Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 11:28 - Oct 16 with 1188 views
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 11:26 - Oct 16 by The_Flashing_Smile
I've already answered you on this. A kick to the side of the head (which is where you'd be aiming, to score points) is nowhere near as hard as a punch to the face. Have you ever tried to kick someone in the head when they're standing in front of you?! It's hard enough to even get your leg up that high, let alone generate much power. The head kicks are for scoring points, they're not trying to knock out the opponent.
And as I also replied to you before, I never said it was completely safe/tiddlywinks. Mate.
I feel confused today
Finished the gym this morning, I feel great, really positive, body feels great, had a great time, feel ready to take on the day ahead.
I feel i've cheated the system though as I didn't punch anyone yet I feel this good.
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 11:26 - Oct 16 by The_Flashing_Smile
I've already answered you on this. A kick to the side of the head (which is where you'd be aiming, to score points) is nowhere near as hard as a punch to the face. Have you ever tried to kick someone in the head when they're standing in front of you?! It's hard enough to even get your leg up that high, let alone generate much power. The head kicks are for scoring points, they're not trying to knock out the opponent.
And as I also replied to you before, I never said it was completely safe/tiddlywinks. Mate.
In your opinion
Plenty would disagree a kick to the head is less powerful than an average punch in boxing which would be a jab or body shot. 90% if not more are these shots. Head shots aren’t easy, and 9 times out of 10 are either blocked or parried with gloves - or miss altogether. People who haven’t boxed seem to think it’s just 300 continual punches thrown which all connect and all do significant damage
This thread will be 500 pages long :) and the same things being said as on page 1 :) people who like boxing will defend it - people who won’t like it will disagree
[Post edited 16 Oct 2024 12:41]
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Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 12:57 - Oct 16 with 1105 views
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 12:36 - Oct 16 by smithy69
And that’s your choice which is good for you
Others feel different
That’s the world and the ability to have a choice we live in.
"Others feel different"
OK so we are getting somewhere.
I've listed the feelings you all say you get from boxing gyms. Yet you say others would feel different...
Is that because there is an unhealthy desire to punch someone? It may even be your subconscious feelings perhaps. Is that why you would feel different? You need to fulfil the urge to punch?
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 11:26 - Oct 16 by The_Flashing_Smile
I've already answered you on this. A kick to the side of the head (which is where you'd be aiming, to score points) is nowhere near as hard as a punch to the face. Have you ever tried to kick someone in the head when they're standing in front of you?! It's hard enough to even get your leg up that high, let alone generate much power. The head kicks are for scoring points, they're not trying to knock out the opponent.
And as I also replied to you before, I never said it was completely safe/tiddlywinks. Mate.
A sport where you aim to kick someone in the head isn't much of a step up from a sport where you aim to punch someone, in amateur boxing it is about landing punches not knocking people out.
Surely a better example is something that can be done with no need to punch or kick an opponent but will still give out the endorphins and self discipline exercise can bring?
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 12:37 - Oct 16 by smithy69
In your opinion
Plenty would disagree a kick to the head is less powerful than an average punch in boxing which would be a jab or body shot. 90% if not more are these shots. Head shots aren’t easy, and 9 times out of 10 are either blocked or parried with gloves - or miss altogether. People who haven’t boxed seem to think it’s just 300 continual punches thrown which all connect and all do significant damage
This thread will be 500 pages long :) and the same things being said as on page 1 :) people who like boxing will defend it - people who won’t like it will disagree
[Post edited 16 Oct 2024 12:41]
I'm not too fussed either way on boxing, I'm just telling you the facts. It's not my "opinion". I've even explained why a high-up kick is less powerful. "Plenty would disagree" is just out of your head, not based on any evidence whatsoever.
Legs are stronger than arms... but for either to connect with the head, the leg has to travel MUCH further than the arm. Also the punch is aimed straight at the face, the leg takes a long arc to the side. And because of that your opponent has FAR MORE TIME to react and block it. So way less head-kicks land in karate compared to head-punches in boxing.
I can tell you, as someone who has been kicked in the head, I'd MUCH rather that than a punch to the face. The head kicks smarted a bit but that was more shock than anything (shock that someone's got their leg up and got you before you could react). And then all the head kicks ever did was knock you off balance/score a point. Head kicks are about speed more than power. In all my years of doing karate I've never seen anyone knocked out by a kick.
Regardless of how many shots are weaker jabs, the aim of boxing is to punch your opponent hard in the face. The aim of karate isn't to kick someone in the head. In fact it's one of the most difficult moves to pull off and at most levels the attempts and success rate are both fairly rare.
Trust the process. Trust Phil.
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Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 13:32 - Oct 16 with 1041 views
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 13:05 - Oct 16 by itfcjoe
A sport where you aim to kick someone in the head isn't much of a step up from a sport where you aim to punch someone, in amateur boxing it is about landing punches not knocking people out.
Surely a better example is something that can be done with no need to punch or kick an opponent but will still give out the endorphins and self discipline exercise can bring?
Karate isn't a sport where you aim to kick someone in the head, Joe, so your opening premise is wrong. Head kicks are way less frequent than head-punches in boxing, way less successful, and way less powerful. See my reply to Smithy.
Also, it isn't just knock-out punches that cause damage. This is another false premise I've seen sneaking into the debate.
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 13:30 - Oct 16 by The_Flashing_Smile
I'm not too fussed either way on boxing, I'm just telling you the facts. It's not my "opinion". I've even explained why a high-up kick is less powerful. "Plenty would disagree" is just out of your head, not based on any evidence whatsoever.
Legs are stronger than arms... but for either to connect with the head, the leg has to travel MUCH further than the arm. Also the punch is aimed straight at the face, the leg takes a long arc to the side. And because of that your opponent has FAR MORE TIME to react and block it. So way less head-kicks land in karate compared to head-punches in boxing.
I can tell you, as someone who has been kicked in the head, I'd MUCH rather that than a punch to the face. The head kicks smarted a bit but that was more shock than anything (shock that someone's got their leg up and got you before you could react). And then all the head kicks ever did was knock you off balance/score a point. Head kicks are about speed more than power. In all my years of doing karate I've never seen anyone knocked out by a kick.
Regardless of how many shots are weaker jabs, the aim of boxing is to punch your opponent hard in the face. The aim of karate isn't to kick someone in the head. In fact it's one of the most difficult moves to pull off and at most levels the attempts and success rate are both fairly rare.
It's another violent sport which is very similar to boxing with what it teaches people - discipline, self control, technique etc....but if you'r ecriticism of boxing is people getting punched in the face then it's a strange comparison to make here
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 13:37 - Oct 16 by itfcjoe
It's another violent sport which is very similar to boxing with what it teaches people - discipline, self control, technique etc....but if you'r ecriticism of boxing is people getting punched in the face then it's a strange comparison to make here
I do agree on this Joe
However, also in Flash's defence, there are many versions of Karate that ban the kicking to the head, especially in tournaments, there aren't any levels of boxing that ban punching to the head as far as I can find.
But also, based on my reasoning about the glorifying of the violent sports, I can't say i've seen many advertisements on sky sports/tnt about Karate. Maybe they are and I just haven't seen them?
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 13:37 - Oct 16 by itfcjoe
It's another violent sport which is very similar to boxing with what it teaches people - discipline, self control, technique etc....but if you'r ecriticism of boxing is people getting punched in the face then it's a strange comparison to make here
Not glorified is it.
But, yes, the same principle applies. What benefits come from beating another human. Whether that be karate or, to a much great extent, boxing. Why would anyone want to get involved or watch such a thing. Completely unhinged behaviour.
Showing another violent sport isn't really the defence of boxing you think it is.
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Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 13:55 - Oct 16 with 987 views
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 13:47 - Oct 16 by FrimleyBlue
I do agree on this Joe
However, also in Flash's defence, there are many versions of Karate that ban the kicking to the head, especially in tournaments, there aren't any levels of boxing that ban punching to the head as far as I can find.
But also, based on my reasoning about the glorifying of the violent sports, I can't say i've seen many advertisements on sky sports/tnt about Karate. Maybe they are and I just haven't seen them?
But you are comparing amateur levels of karate with professional boxing. I'm sure your bog standard club boxing, sparring and the like is of a similar level of violence to karate and in both it is only when you get out of the club scene that it gets more dangerous.
I had a couple of black belts in my class at school, and a couple of others locally fought for England and the like and remember one of them having his jaw obliterated like Frazer Clarke's was when he was competing for England.
Combat sports are either worthwhile or they aren't - just because boxing is bigger and more commercially successful than karate doesn't mean one is ok and the other isn't. MMA is overtaking (has overtaken?) boxing, and is much more violent.
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 13:55 - Oct 16 by itfcjoe
But you are comparing amateur levels of karate with professional boxing. I'm sure your bog standard club boxing, sparring and the like is of a similar level of violence to karate and in both it is only when you get out of the club scene that it gets more dangerous.
I had a couple of black belts in my class at school, and a couple of others locally fought for England and the like and remember one of them having his jaw obliterated like Frazer Clarke's was when he was competing for England.
Combat sports are either worthwhile or they aren't - just because boxing is bigger and more commercially successful than karate doesn't mean one is ok and the other isn't. MMA is overtaking (has overtaken?) boxing, and is much more violent.
I agree that none are ok, But also aware that they will continue so there's no point in thinking that these sports should be banned, as I know they won't be.
My whole point however is the public glorification of these sports, they shouldn't exist nowadays, whether that's boxing, or MMA, or Karate, any of them. None should be present on tv, none should be advertised and most certainly none should be supported by football clubs like we've done with Wardley.
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 13:37 - Oct 16 by itfcjoe
It's another violent sport which is very similar to boxing with what it teaches people - discipline, self control, technique etc....but if you'r ecriticism of boxing is people getting punched in the face then it's a strange comparison to make here
You don't need to show me clips of karate, fella, I have a bronze medal representing England at Kyokushin Karate.
And the clip you've linked there is just knockouts all put together. You could probably put together a video of tiddlywink injuries and make it look bad if you wanted.
I've never said karate is completely safe/pain free, I just offered it up as something similar but safer than boxing, and something I know a bit about. I don't know of anyone getting long term brain injuries from karate like they do from boxing. I'm sure there are plenty of other sports that offer the same discipline/fitness benefits without any pain, but I'll leave that to others.
Trust the process. Trust Phil.
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Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 14:11 - Oct 16 with 955 views
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 13:55 - Oct 16 by itfcjoe
But you are comparing amateur levels of karate with professional boxing. I'm sure your bog standard club boxing, sparring and the like is of a similar level of violence to karate and in both it is only when you get out of the club scene that it gets more dangerous.
I had a couple of black belts in my class at school, and a couple of others locally fought for England and the like and remember one of them having his jaw obliterated like Frazer Clarke's was when he was competing for England.
Combat sports are either worthwhile or they aren't - just because boxing is bigger and more commercially successful than karate doesn't mean one is ok and the other isn't. MMA is overtaking (has overtaken?) boxing, and is much more violent.
"I'm sure your bog standard club boxing, sparring and the like is of a similar level of violence to karate"
You're just showing your ignorance here, Joe. This is just out of your head, just what you assume, which is fair enough - but wrong.
The main aim of boxing is to land blows to the head. This is not even an aim of karate, let alone a main one.
Trust the process. Trust Phil.
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Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 14:16 - Oct 16 with 951 views
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 14:00 - Oct 16 by FrimleyBlue
I agree that none are ok, But also aware that they will continue so there's no point in thinking that these sports should be banned, as I know they won't be.
My whole point however is the public glorification of these sports, they shouldn't exist nowadays, whether that's boxing, or MMA, or Karate, any of them. None should be present on tv, none should be advertised and most certainly none should be supported by football clubs like we've done with Wardley.
Karate was actually developed for self defence. It's about skill, discipline, control... and at competition level, scoring points rather than knocking out the opponent. It's not remotely glorifying violence.
My sensei always taught us it's best to avoid fights if you can. Talk your way out or walk away. Using your skills is the last resort.
Trust the process. Trust Phil.
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Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 14:29 - Oct 16 with 921 views
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 14:16 - Oct 16 by The_Flashing_Smile
Karate was actually developed for self defence. It's about skill, discipline, control... and at competition level, scoring points rather than knocking out the opponent. It's not remotely glorifying violence.
My sensei always taught us it's best to avoid fights if you can. Talk your way out or walk away. Using your skills is the last resort.
That last paragraph is the same as boxing, it is teaching people to have the skills in case they need them, not to use them - all combat sports and martial arts are the same in that respect.
If as a pro boxer you were to go out and thump someone on the streets you'd probably lose your licence and your livelihood.
It's just laughable really to think karate is absolutely fine and boxing is abhorrent. Those 2 viewpoints can't really be held together with any logical reasoning.
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 14:11 - Oct 16 by The_Flashing_Smile
"I'm sure your bog standard club boxing, sparring and the like is of a similar level of violence to karate"
You're just showing your ignorance here, Joe. This is just out of your head, just what you assume, which is fair enough - but wrong.
The main aim of boxing is to land blows to the head. This is not even an aim of karate, let alone a main one.
It's ignorant to suggest the main aim of boxing is to land blows to the head, the aim of boxing and the scoring at amateur level is to do with landing clean blows, either to the head or the body.
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 14:16 - Oct 16 by The_Flashing_Smile
Karate was actually developed for self defence. It's about skill, discipline, control... and at competition level, scoring points rather than knocking out the opponent. It's not remotely glorifying violence.
My sensei always taught us it's best to avoid fights if you can. Talk your way out or walk away. Using your skills is the last resort.
It would be hypocritical of me Flash to condone it when I don't appreciate the other sports. I do appreciate though what's involved in Karate behind the scenes, similar to the Boxing gyms, but the physical requirement to aim for the head is as bad as boxing, whilst in Karate's case it is a byproduct in comparison, it is still a tool used to win the match so that I do disagree with.
But congrats on doing it though yourself though, not easy to do.
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 14:29 - Oct 16 by itfcjoe
That last paragraph is the same as boxing, it is teaching people to have the skills in case they need them, not to use them - all combat sports and martial arts are the same in that respect.
If as a pro boxer you were to go out and thump someone on the streets you'd probably lose your licence and your livelihood.
It's just laughable really to think karate is absolutely fine and boxing is abhorrent. Those 2 viewpoints can't really be held together with any logical reasoning.
I've never said "karate is absolutely fine and boxing is abhorrent", you're putting words in my mouth there. All I've done is explained why you're less likely to get brain injuries from karate than boxing.
Trust the process. Trust Phil.
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Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 14:53 - Oct 16 with 857 views
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 14:32 - Oct 16 by itfcjoe
It's ignorant to suggest the main aim of boxing is to land blows to the head, the aim of boxing and the scoring at amateur level is to do with landing clean blows, either to the head or the body.
How do you score points in karate?
You score points in karate all over the body... but you aren't mainly aiming for the head. In boxing you clearly are. That's why boxers wear gloves (and at amateur level headguards) unlike most forms of karate. You can also kick to the legs in karate (in fact that's where the majority of kicks will be) which you obviously can't do in boxing.
Come on Joe, this is basic stuff.
Trust the process. Trust Phil.
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Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 15:01 - Oct 16 with 852 views
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 14:36 - Oct 16 by FrimleyBlue
It would be hypocritical of me Flash to condone it when I don't appreciate the other sports. I do appreciate though what's involved in Karate behind the scenes, similar to the Boxing gyms, but the physical requirement to aim for the head is as bad as boxing, whilst in Karate's case it is a byproduct in comparison, it is still a tool used to win the match so that I do disagree with.
But congrats on doing it though yourself though, not easy to do.
"but the physical requirement to aim for the head is as bad as boxing"
This is just not correct. I've explained why in other posts. The leg has a far greater distance to travel than the fist, in which time it loses power and your opponent has much more time to block. If you don't know/don't understand then you'll have to just trust me on this one. I was quite good/strong with low kicks - when I was fairly inexperienced I had black belts telling me they could feel the power in my legs through the pads. Not sure I ever landed a high kick to the head though, from memory, and certainly had nowhere near the power. It looks a lot easier at the higher levels (clips of competitions) than it actually is in reality.
Trust the process. Trust Phil.
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Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 15:12 - Oct 16 with 829 views
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 15:01 - Oct 16 by The_Flashing_Smile
"but the physical requirement to aim for the head is as bad as boxing"
This is just not correct. I've explained why in other posts. The leg has a far greater distance to travel than the fist, in which time it loses power and your opponent has much more time to block. If you don't know/don't understand then you'll have to just trust me on this one. I was quite good/strong with low kicks - when I was fairly inexperienced I had black belts telling me they could feel the power in my legs through the pads. Not sure I ever landed a high kick to the head though, from memory, and certainly had nowhere near the power. It looks a lot easier at the higher levels (clips of competitions) than it actually is in reality.
Sorry I didn't explain that part very well. By 'as bad' as boxing, I was just referring to the fact that you're aiming for the head, not as in power etc and injuries caused - I wouldn't know as you say unless you've done it you can't judge. But from the visual point, which is the side of the fence i'm on, having the head as a target is something I disagree with in sport generally. And wouldn't like it broadcasted as I don't agree with it.
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 15:12 - Oct 16 by FrimleyBlue
Sorry I didn't explain that part very well. By 'as bad' as boxing, I was just referring to the fact that you're aiming for the head, not as in power etc and injuries caused - I wouldn't know as you say unless you've done it you can't judge. But from the visual point, which is the side of the fence i'm on, having the head as a target is something I disagree with in sport generally. And wouldn't like it broadcasted as I don't agree with it.
Yeah fair enough, if you're against head blows of any description then you'd be against karate too. I'm just saying they're a lot less frequent, a lot less powerful, not the main aim, and I haven't heard of reports of brain damage from them like you hear regularly from boxing (and indeed there's lots of concern about too much heading in football as well).
My intention in this thread was just to show that there are martial arts, like karate, which are way less dangerous to the head/brain than boxing. But of course, there are plenty of sports that give you fitness, strength discipline etc. without any (intentional) blows to the head.
Trust the process. Trust Phil.
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Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 15:48 - Oct 16 with 803 views
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 14:53 - Oct 16 by The_Flashing_Smile
You score points in karate all over the body... but you aren't mainly aiming for the head. In boxing you clearly are. That's why boxers wear gloves (and at amateur level headguards) unlike most forms of karate. You can also kick to the legs in karate (in fact that's where the majority of kicks will be) which you obviously can't do in boxing.
Come on Joe, this is basic stuff.
You get more points for kicking someone in the head in karate than kicking them in the legs, so it’s clearly incentivised to kick people in the head?!
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