| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations 22:28 - Oct 12 with 27607 views | Blue_Heath |
All gone quite now after tonight.
Where are you? Let's be having you!
Fabio was devastating tonight, really hope he can get a fight at Portman Road now. |  | | |  |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 18:51 - Oct 14 with 1775 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 18:07 - Oct 14 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Perhaps you can point me to where in the tweet it mentions a broken jaw?
I participate in combat sports I’ve got skin in the game, it’s not nice having illiberal people tell you the sport should be banned because they don’t like it. It’s not harming anyone that doesn’t want to take part. Why are you so animated about it when you don’t have to watch or participate? I’ll leave it there, because fortunately we aren’t yet ruled by people who go out of their way to ban things based on the whims of loud stampy-feet illiberals.
There are far worse role models than Wardley out there. |
"Inspired by wardleys performance the other night"
For those who knew about it know he won
For those that don't and look to find out why they should be inspired they will see he won the fight by breaking the jaw of his opponent
Either way. Its not inspiring and tbh it's poor from town vetting involved in it but understand why they have.
"It’s not harming anyone that doesn't want to take part"
You wouldn't want to get shot. But would you be happy if gun fights were made a sport? Or would it be OK as it wouldn't be harming anyone that didn't want to take part. |  |
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 19:00 - Oct 14 with 1764 views | gtsb1966 |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 18:51 - Oct 14 by FrimleyBlue |
"Inspired by wardleys performance the other night"
For those who knew about it know he won
For those that don't and look to find out why they should be inspired they will see he won the fight by breaking the jaw of his opponent
Either way. Its not inspiring and tbh it's poor from town vetting involved in it but understand why they have.
"It’s not harming anyone that doesn't want to take part"
You wouldn't want to get shot. But would you be happy if gun fights were made a sport? Or would it be OK as it wouldn't be harming anyone that didn't want to take part. |
"It's poor from Town getting involved in it". Anything to knock the club ....again. |  | | |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 19:06 - Oct 14 with 1739 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 19:00 - Oct 14 by gtsb1966 |
"It's poor from Town getting involved in it". Anything to knock the club ....again. |
Sorry GTSB is that a sign you've nothing more to debate that you to try and make my posts more than they are.
It's not knocking town specifically, as someone asked earlier in the thread about town promoting wardley etc I don't agree with it BUT I understand it.
So no not knocking town at all. Just don't agree with the promotion as imo it's part of the glorifying of the sport. | |
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 19:52 - Oct 14 with 1697 views | Ryorry |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 18:03 - Oct 14 by RadioOrwell |
I haven't been following this thread.
I have an 18 year old boy who loves boxing. It's his favourite thing.
I showed him absolutely all the sports growing up and never boxing because it was never my thing and I knew nothing about it.
He found it through a friend and he's hooked (haha)
I don't get it and me and his Mum are not thrilled. A couple of times he's had a thump that he's not enjoyed - and I'm terrified about - but I cannot stop him.
Mostly it's training and only occasional sparring - there is safe types of sparring (body) so he does that and a lot of pads and bags.
He absolutely loves it. If he was good enough he would turn pro. His friend is about to take part in a proper event. 18 years old - heavyweight.
What do you think I should tell him and his friend ? |
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations by Ryorry 14 Oct 2024 13:19Ah, it was in reference to you yes, thanks for the correction & apols to both yourself & smithy69.
I suppose both boxers in a pro match are consenting adults, so if they want to bash each other's brains out, who are we to try and stop them. But do you think the risks are sufficiently pointed out to youngsters when they start going to a boxing gym, & before they choose to go down the pro route? Maybe they should be required to do some reading before they make their choice -
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/may/27/time-to-find-out-who-cares-boxing-brain-damage-tris-dixon
(Obviously there's plenty more reading out there, esp medical research findings).
"But do you think the risks are sufficiently pointed out to youngsters when they start going to a boxing gym, & before they choose to go down the pro route? Maybe they should be required to do some reading before they make their choice" -
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/may/27/time-to-find-out-who-cares-boxing-
(Obviously there's plenty more reading out there, esp medical research findings). [Post edited 14 Oct 2024 19:53]
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 19:54 - Oct 14 with 1690 views | WicklowBlue |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 16:08 - Oct 14 by LittleBoyBlue1 |
Inspired by cracking a jaw?
Come and learn how!
The definition of glorifying violence 😂 |
Note I was just sharing for debate not offering an opinion. |  | | |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 20:37 - Oct 14 with 1640 views | ibbleobble |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 13:19 - Oct 14 by Ryorry |
Ah, it was in reference to you yes, thanks for the correction & apols to both yourself & smithy69.
I suppose both boxers in a pro match are consenting adults, so if they want to bash each other's brains out, who are we to try and stop them. But do you think the risks are sufficiently pointed out to youngsters when they start going to a boxing gym, & before they choose to go down the pro route? Maybe they should be required to do some reading before they make their choice -
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/may/27/time-to-find-out-who-cares-boxing-
(Obviously there's plenty more reading out there, esp medical research findings). |
Probably not and even if they were, I doubt a youngster would really comprehend or have the foresight to make an educated choice. If a parent has consented, then there’s little to do other than make sure the parent is well educated. If someone had said to me as a boy that’d I’d have a broken ankle, broken collar bone, broken nose and been knocked unconscious three times from football in 28 years only to get to semi-pro level - I’d still have done it. The joy of sport far outweighs the downsides.
To others points on here, in 6-years boxing I was knocked down once and scored three knockdowns. All my white collar fights were points decisions. It’s hard at white-collar and amateur level to get anywhere close to the physicality of the pros - which is a completely different game. I sparred with pros who had the respect to know my limits, adjust and educate accordingly. That’s how it goes - mutual respect for people’s abilities. It’s only at professional level where folk are trying to earn the big bucks as a way of life does the ferocity intensify tenfold. | | | |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 23:09 - Oct 14 with 1567 views | Ryorry |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 20:37 - Oct 14 by ibbleobble |
Probably not and even if they were, I doubt a youngster would really comprehend or have the foresight to make an educated choice. If a parent has consented, then there’s little to do other than make sure the parent is well educated. If someone had said to me as a boy that’d I’d have a broken ankle, broken collar bone, broken nose and been knocked unconscious three times from football in 28 years only to get to semi-pro level - I’d still have done it. The joy of sport far outweighs the downsides.
To others points on here, in 6-years boxing I was knocked down once and scored three knockdowns. All my white collar fights were points decisions. It’s hard at white-collar and amateur level to get anywhere close to the physicality of the pros - which is a completely different game. I sparred with pros who had the respect to know my limits, adjust and educate accordingly. That’s how it goes - mutual respect for people’s abilities. It’s only at professional level where folk are trying to earn the big bucks as a way of life does the ferocity intensify tenfold. |
That seems pretty insulting to young people tbh - I'm sure most 12+ are intelligent enough to see the difference between broken bones in the body, & the consequences of head injuries. These days they'll also be aware of how seriously head injuries are taken as a result of concussion protocols during football & rugby games. | |
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 07:27 - Oct 15 with 1470 views | smithy69 |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 18:03 - Oct 14 by RadioOrwell |
I haven't been following this thread.
I have an 18 year old boy who loves boxing. It's his favourite thing.
I showed him absolutely all the sports growing up and never boxing because it was never my thing and I knew nothing about it.
He found it through a friend and he's hooked (haha)
I don't get it and me and his Mum are not thrilled. A couple of times he's had a thump that he's not enjoyed - and I'm terrified about - but I cannot stop him.
Mostly it's training and only occasional sparring - there is safe types of sparring (body) so he does that and a lot of pads and bags.
He absolutely loves it. If he was good enough he would turn pro. His friend is about to take part in a proper event. 18 years old - heavyweight.
What do you think I should tell him and his friend ? |
To enjoy it
Like you said - the majority of boxing training is fitness and safe sparring
Plus telling any 18 year old he can’t do something - never ends well :) | | | |
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 07:34 - Oct 15 with 1463 views | itfcjoe |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 19:06 - Oct 14 by FrimleyBlue |
Sorry GTSB is that a sign you've nothing more to debate that you to try and make my posts more than they are.
It's not knocking town specifically, as someone asked earlier in the thread about town promoting wardley etc I don't agree with it BUT I understand it.
So no not knocking town at all. Just don't agree with the promotion as imo it's part of the glorifying of the sport. |
The post is literally, specifically criticising the football club |  |
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 07:56 - Oct 15 with 1447 views | ibbleobble |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 23:09 - Oct 14 by Ryorry |
That seems pretty insulting to young people tbh - I'm sure most 12+ are intelligent enough to see the difference between broken bones in the body, & the consequences of head injuries. These days they'll also be aware of how seriously head injuries are taken as a result of concussion protocols during football & rugby games. |
Most 12-year olds barely know what they want to do as a career let alone anything about the dangers of sport and neuroscience - they’ll be informed but how responsible the decision making is is questionable at that age. Are you saying at 12+ years old you’d give up your dream of being a professional athlete for the sake of an injury? Surely that’s just comes with the territory of being a professional sports person in any sport?
This thread feels like it’s coming down to two sides of the fence; those who have done sport to a high-standard and those who haven’t. Those who are happy to put the body’s on the line and those who aren’t. Would you agree? [Post edited 15 Oct 2024 8:29]
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 08:02 - Oct 15 with 1421 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 07:34 - Oct 15 by itfcjoe |
The post is literally, specifically criticising the football club |
Not really Joe just disappointment in them promoting it.
If I went on a rant about them doing it I'd agree with you but just saying I think it's poor is hardly being highly critical and the poster was making out that I was just taking a dig at the club again which isn't the case as this is part of a discussion about a different sport and its promotions. | |
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 08:06 - Oct 15 with 1413 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 07:56 - Oct 15 by ibbleobble |
Most 12-year olds barely know what they want to do as a career let alone anything about the dangers of sport and neuroscience - they’ll be informed but how responsible the decision making is is questionable at that age. Are you saying at 12+ years old you’d give up your dream of being a professional athlete for the sake of an injury? Surely that’s just comes with the territory of being a professional sports person in any sport?
This thread feels like it’s coming down to two sides of the fence; those who have done sport to a high-standard and those who haven’t. Those who are happy to put the body’s on the line and those who aren’t. Would you agree? [Post edited 15 Oct 2024 8:29]
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It's people who get a buzz from punching other people and those taken in by those promoting the sport as something positive when it's just people punching others for sport.
There's plenty of other sports out there to be competitive in without the need to punch someone else.
The threads two sides of the fence are those who don't feel punching a face Is healthy. It's violent and shouldn't be glorified. And those who think it's just a bizarre byproduct and hide behind the boxing culture as a reason for its existence. | |
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 08:43 - Oct 15 with 1404 views | itfcjoe |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 08:02 - Oct 15 by FrimleyBlue |
Not really Joe just disappointment in them promoting it.
If I went on a rant about them doing it I'd agree with you but just saying I think it's poor is hardly being highly critical and the poster was making out that I was just taking a dig at the club again which isn't the case as this is part of a discussion about a different sport and its promotions. |
You're criticising them for promoting it, I don't understand how you can deny that when it is written in black and white. | |
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 08:45 - Oct 15 with 1393 views | itfcjoe |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 08:06 - Oct 15 by FrimleyBlue |
It's people who get a buzz from punching other people and those taken in by those promoting the sport as something positive when it's just people punching others for sport.
There's plenty of other sports out there to be competitive in without the need to punch someone else.
The threads two sides of the fence are those who don't feel punching a face Is healthy. It's violent and shouldn't be glorified. And those who think it's just a bizarre byproduct and hide behind the boxing culture as a reason for its existence. |
I don't disagree with general sentiment, as more info is known there will be less and less participation in sports where there are more potential for brain injury - boxing, rugby, American Football etc - I certainly wouldn't be pushing my children to take part in any of them as too much is known now.
These sports will need to adapt or they will die out - and the reality is they won't be able to adapt far enough | |
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 08:54 - Oct 15 with 1358 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 08:43 - Oct 15 by itfcjoe |
You're criticising them for promoting it, I don't understand how you can deny that when it is written in black and white. |
Firstly because the poster who said it wasn't making out that I had just written something he was trying to make it out like i was again having a dig at town which wasn't the case and likewise I've not taken a dig at town for a long while. I didn't appreciate the attempt at making more of my comment.
I regards to the comment. I personally don't see it as a critism as I have said in regards to it that I understand why they do I would be rather hypocritical to have my stance on boxing but think it's OK overall for town to promote it. So no I wasn't directly being critical it's just fir me its a shame they do promote it.
If I'm wrong in the above then I'm wrong. But hope you can understand where I'm coming from. | |
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 10:12 - Oct 15 with 1325 views | Ryorry |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 07:56 - Oct 15 by ibbleobble |
Most 12-year olds barely know what they want to do as a career let alone anything about the dangers of sport and neuroscience - they’ll be informed but how responsible the decision making is is questionable at that age. Are you saying at 12+ years old you’d give up your dream of being a professional athlete for the sake of an injury? Surely that’s just comes with the territory of being a professional sports person in any sport?
This thread feels like it’s coming down to two sides of the fence; those who have done sport to a high-standard and those who haven’t. Those who are happy to put the body’s on the line and those who aren’t. Would you agree? [Post edited 15 Oct 2024 8:29]
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Of course 12 yr olds (mostly) don’t know what they want to do as a career. I wasn’t talking about that at that age but about them joining a boxing gym.
They do age-appropriate maths, physics, chemistry and biology at school- of course they’re able to understand the basics of long term brain injury, and the difference between that and short term injuries like broken bones - as I’m sure you know.
You’re being disingenuous, are so entrenched in your own position that you’re not willing to consider any other pov. | |
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 10:25 - Oct 15 with 1307 views | RadioOrwell |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 18:23 - Oct 14 by LittleBoyBlue1 |
To answer your question, it's probably too late.
If you could snap your fingers and have prevented boxing ever being shown to him and glorified by his mates - would you? |
It's really hard to answer because I'm not sure there is anything else he would have replaced it with - maybe he'd be a gym bunny because he loves being in shape. But I don't know.
I think I'm relieved he's not such a star that he could be a pro.
Small mercies. |  | | |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 10:33 - Oct 15 with 1282 views | RadioOrwell |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 19:52 - Oct 14 by Ryorry |
Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations by Ryorry 14 Oct 2024 13:19Ah, it was in reference to you yes, thanks for the correction & apols to both yourself & smithy69.
I suppose both boxers in a pro match are consenting adults, so if they want to bash each other's brains out, who are we to try and stop them. But do you think the risks are sufficiently pointed out to youngsters when they start going to a boxing gym, & before they choose to go down the pro route? Maybe they should be required to do some reading before they make their choice -
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/may/27/time-to-find-out-who-cares-boxing-brain-damage-tris-dixon
(Obviously there's plenty more reading out there, esp medical research findings).
"But do you think the risks are sufficiently pointed out to youngsters when they start going to a boxing gym, & before they choose to go down the pro route? Maybe they should be required to do some reading before they make their choice" -
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/may/27/time-to-find-out-who-cares-boxing-
(Obviously there's plenty more reading out there, esp medical research findings). [Post edited 14 Oct 2024 19:53]
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My boy has become a bit of a student of the sport. He knows all the great boxers from the past across all the weights.
He is also aware of the times it's gone badly wrong. Along with the obvious concern we have, he does know the downside.
All that would be more than enough to put me off but he's not me. And there must be a million parents in the same boat. | | | |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 10:54 - Oct 15 with 1260 views | Ryorry |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 10:33 - Oct 15 by RadioOrwell |
My boy has become a bit of a student of the sport. He knows all the great boxers from the past across all the weights.
He is also aware of the times it's gone badly wrong. Along with the obvious concern we have, he does know the downside.
All that would be more than enough to put me off but he's not me. And there must be a million parents in the same boat. |
Good on him that he’s at least done the reading and is therefore making an informed choice.
No doubt peer pressure plays a part too.
Maybe the book referenced in the article I linked earlier would be a good Christmas present for him?! | |
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 13:43 - Oct 15 with 1182 views | ibbleobble |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 10:12 - Oct 15 by Ryorry |
Of course 12 yr olds (mostly) don’t know what they want to do as a career. I wasn’t talking about that at that age but about them joining a boxing gym.
They do age-appropriate maths, physics, chemistry and biology at school- of course they’re able to understand the basics of long term brain injury, and the difference between that and short term injuries like broken bones - as I’m sure you know.
You’re being disingenuous, are so entrenched in your own position that you’re not willing to consider any other pov. |
I’m not, I just don’t agree with you. Reading about or seeing injury is still a disconnected association; it’s not relative at such a young age. 12-year olds can all get taught about the dangers of smoking but some will still smoke.
A conscious choice at 12 is not the same at 24. Lived experience counts for a lot. If a 12-year old is put off by the sport because of injuries they read about, then absolutely fine - it wasn’t for them in the first place. If they pursue it, they should absolutely be made aware constantly and consistently. My argument has been on this thread which I’ll come back to is that the upsides outweigh the downsides especially for youths in their formative years. | | | |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 15:01 - Oct 15 with 1123 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 13:43 - Oct 15 by ibbleobble |
I’m not, I just don’t agree with you. Reading about or seeing injury is still a disconnected association; it’s not relative at such a young age. 12-year olds can all get taught about the dangers of smoking but some will still smoke.
A conscious choice at 12 is not the same at 24. Lived experience counts for a lot. If a 12-year old is put off by the sport because of injuries they read about, then absolutely fine - it wasn’t for them in the first place. If they pursue it, they should absolutely be made aware constantly and consistently. My argument has been on this thread which I’ll come back to is that the upsides outweigh the downsides especially for youths in their formative years. |
You've failed however to explain why the upsides can't happen without the need to punch an opponent. | |
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 15:04 - Oct 15 with 1115 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 15:01 - Oct 15 by FrimleyBlue |
You've failed however to explain why the upsides can't happen without the need to punch an opponent. |
Phenomenal isn't it, to keep repeating themselves like a brain damaged patient without actually answering the simple question.
Almost like they've been repeatedly hit in the head. | | | |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 19:26 - Oct 15 with 1052 views | eireblue |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 13:43 - Oct 15 by ibbleobble |
I’m not, I just don’t agree with you. Reading about or seeing injury is still a disconnected association; it’s not relative at such a young age. 12-year olds can all get taught about the dangers of smoking but some will still smoke.
A conscious choice at 12 is not the same at 24. Lived experience counts for a lot. If a 12-year old is put off by the sport because of injuries they read about, then absolutely fine - it wasn’t for them in the first place. If they pursue it, they should absolutely be made aware constantly and consistently. My argument has been on this thread which I’ll come back to is that the upsides outweigh the downsides especially for youths in their formative years. |
What you need to demonstrate is analysis that shows that boxing is somehow more beneficial, than other activities, and that additional benefit, outlays the additional risk.
That would be meaningful.
For instance I believe there was a study on the prison system/ex-offenders, people that participated in organised sporting activities, showed less chance of re-offending.
You would have to demonstrate, that people that did boxing were even less likely to re-offend.
Otherwise, all you have posted is an opinion and anecdote. [Post edited 15 Oct 2024 19:26]
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 21:22 - Oct 15 with 980 views | ibbleobble |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 19:26 - Oct 15 by eireblue |
What you need to demonstrate is analysis that shows that boxing is somehow more beneficial, than other activities, and that additional benefit, outlays the additional risk.
That would be meaningful.
For instance I believe there was a study on the prison system/ex-offenders, people that participated in organised sporting activities, showed less chance of re-offending.
You would have to demonstrate, that people that did boxing were even less likely to re-offend.
Otherwise, all you have posted is an opinion and anecdote. [Post edited 15 Oct 2024 19:26]
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Wouldn’t the best demonstration be that those who are cynics actually went and tried it rather than reading or waiting for second hand information to be persuaded otherwise? Nothing documented here will ‘prove’ otherwise. Isn’t that the fundamental thing we’re actually debating? | | | |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 21:33 - Oct 15 with 960 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 21:22 - Oct 15 by ibbleobble |
Wouldn’t the best demonstration be that those who are cynics actually went and tried it rather than reading or waiting for second hand information to be persuaded otherwise? Nothing documented here will ‘prove’ otherwise. Isn’t that the fundamental thing we’re actually debating? |
Or. How about boxers do everything they do at the boxing gym without the punching of a face and see how much they can still be healthy. | |
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