| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations 22:28 - Oct 12 with 27597 views | Blue_Heath |
All gone quite now after tonight.
Where are you? Let's be having you!
Fabio was devastating tonight, really hope he can get a fight at Portman Road now. |  | | |  |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 13:19 - Oct 14 with 1881 views | Ryorry |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 11:19 - Oct 14 by ibbleobble |
I think that’s in reference to me although I have a few folk on ignore so might be wrong. My point has been pretty consistent throughout and I’ve offered up lots of insights as reasoned debate about why there are significant upsides to boxing that shouldn’t be disregarded.
Some folk think boxing is violent, which is being voiced by those who have no experience of the sport as they take it on face value or bounce off anecdotal stories. Those on here who have done the sport offer a different narrative. Those who have done the sport surely must have more valid insight as they can offer a more representative, balanced view than those who haven’t.
My simple point is that boxing gives far more back to people and in my view, the upsides outweigh the downsides (obviously on scale, not anecdotes). But, I (we’ve) acknowledged, it’s not for everyone. It does strike me as odd that those who don’t do the sport are calling for change whereas those who do it think it’s best left as it is. |
Ah, it was in reference to you yes, thanks for the correction & apols to both yourself & smithy69.
I suppose both boxers in a pro match are consenting adults, so if they want to bash each other's brains out, who are we to try and stop them. But do you think the risks are sufficiently pointed out to youngsters when they start going to a boxing gym, & before they choose to go down the pro route? Maybe they should be required to do some reading before they make their choice -
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/may/27/time-to-find-out-who-cares-boxing-
(Obviously there's plenty more reading out there, esp medical research findings). |  |
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 13:27 - Oct 14 with 1839 views | smithy69 |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 13:19 - Oct 14 by Ryorry |
Ah, it was in reference to you yes, thanks for the correction & apols to both yourself & smithy69.
I suppose both boxers in a pro match are consenting adults, so if they want to bash each other's brains out, who are we to try and stop them. But do you think the risks are sufficiently pointed out to youngsters when they start going to a boxing gym, & before they choose to go down the pro route? Maybe they should be required to do some reading before they make their choice -
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/may/27/time-to-find-out-who-cares-boxing-
(Obviously there's plenty more reading out there, esp medical research findings). |
One thing to add is that at the very top of the pro game - especially with heavyweights (which I was one (fat - not top class) the ability to knock someone out/ cause significant injury is clearly high. Throughout my time of boxing I can literally name on 1 hand the times I saw someone get knocked out or injured. The size and weight of gloves are much smaller in pro fighting hence the ability to damage is more. At a normal level you wear much heavier gloves with bigger padding
I have seen so many more knock outs playing rugby and football than I ever did in boxing. I appreciate this will fall on deaf ears to those who hate it | | | |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 13:33 - Oct 14 with 1823 views | Ryorry |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 13:27 - Oct 14 by smithy69 |
One thing to add is that at the very top of the pro game - especially with heavyweights (which I was one (fat - not top class) the ability to knock someone out/ cause significant injury is clearly high. Throughout my time of boxing I can literally name on 1 hand the times I saw someone get knocked out or injured. The size and weight of gloves are much smaller in pro fighting hence the ability to damage is more. At a normal level you wear much heavier gloves with bigger padding
I have seen so many more knock outs playing rugby and football than I ever did in boxing. I appreciate this will fall on deaf ears to those who hate it |
According to the article I linked above (which I thought was brilliant btw, very nuanced, & the book looks like a very engaging must-read for boxing fans), the majority of the damage is incurred in sparring/training. It's the number of blows to the head that matters - 30,000-50,000 overall in the course of yer average professional's whole career path. | |
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 13:43 - Oct 14 with 1800 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 13:27 - Oct 14 by smithy69 |
One thing to add is that at the very top of the pro game - especially with heavyweights (which I was one (fat - not top class) the ability to knock someone out/ cause significant injury is clearly high. Throughout my time of boxing I can literally name on 1 hand the times I saw someone get knocked out or injured. The size and weight of gloves are much smaller in pro fighting hence the ability to damage is more. At a normal level you wear much heavier gloves with bigger padding
I have seen so many more knock outs playing rugby and football than I ever did in boxing. I appreciate this will fall on deaf ears to those who hate it |
Talk about deaf ears ....
The point we're continually making is:
The purpose of boxing is to beat your opponent black and blue. It's cavemen behaviour and glorifies violence because that's literally the whole point of the sport.
The point of rugby and football is to score points to win games, the participants know the risks, they are never encouraged to beat the faeces out of another human being, and if they do they get punished for it, not venerated. They don't acquire respect for the amount of physical damage they can dish out to another person.
How many times must we make the same point. I'm starting to believe people are continually ignoring this because they love to see and take part in violence. | | | |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 13:45 - Oct 14 with 1809 views | Stu_Magoo |
* Edit. Realised I was being facetious and changed my mind. [Post edited 14 Oct 2024 13:48]
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 14:43 - Oct 14 with 1741 views | leitrimblue |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 19:01 - Oct 13 by MK1 |
Is it still called cage fighting? Somebody knees someone else in the face and busts their nose. The crowd goes wild and wish for more. Women doing this also. Crazy world we live in. |
That would be something I have absolutely zero interest in. ( though I have a cousin who was British champion 10-15 years ago apparently)
At the same time if the people involved wish to participate who am I to stop them |  | | |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 15:16 - Oct 14 with 1684 views | smithy69 |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 13:43 - Oct 14 by LittleBoyBlue1 |
Talk about deaf ears ....
The point we're continually making is:
The purpose of boxing is to beat your opponent black and blue. It's cavemen behaviour and glorifies violence because that's literally the whole point of the sport.
The point of rugby and football is to score points to win games, the participants know the risks, they are never encouraged to beat the faeces out of another human being, and if they do they get punished for it, not venerated. They don't acquire respect for the amount of physical damage they can dish out to another person.
How many times must we make the same point. I'm starting to believe people are continually ignoring this because they love to see and take part in violence. |
Most people never ever ever get to a professional level - (There are probably no more than 1,000 active British professional Fighters) and stay at amateur . Where head guards and large gloves are used.
It’s physically impossible to batter someone black and blue IMO at pretty much any level barring the pros. Anyone who has ever set foot in a gym would understand that. Not only from the equipment used - but from the coaches and trainers and boxers who would never ever ever let that happen. I think those who have never been involved think people just turn up and batter each other until someone is laid out bloody and unconscious. Most sessions - are 90% fitness and 10% sparring (if sparring happens at all)
People either love the sport - or people hate it and don’t understand the need for it. It is very marmite. Doesn’t make me right - or anyone who hates it right. It’s just something to agree to disagree on I guess | | | |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 15:23 - Oct 14 with 1659 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 15:16 - Oct 14 by smithy69 |
Most people never ever ever get to a professional level - (There are probably no more than 1,000 active British professional Fighters) and stay at amateur . Where head guards and large gloves are used.
It’s physically impossible to batter someone black and blue IMO at pretty much any level barring the pros. Anyone who has ever set foot in a gym would understand that. Not only from the equipment used - but from the coaches and trainers and boxers who would never ever ever let that happen. I think those who have never been involved think people just turn up and batter each other until someone is laid out bloody and unconscious. Most sessions - are 90% fitness and 10% sparring (if sparring happens at all)
People either love the sport - or people hate it and don’t understand the need for it. It is very marmite. Doesn’t make me right - or anyone who hates it right. It’s just something to agree to disagree on I guess |
.My overall position is violence for violence's sake is a bad thing. So yes, let's agree to disagree on that. | | | |
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 15:52 - Oct 14 with 1630 views | WicklowBlue |
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 15:58 - Oct 14 with 1613 views | itfcjoe |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 16:59 - Oct 13 by Blue_Heath |
I just don't get all the 'hate' for Fabio, local boy doing extremely well for himself against the odds. I get some people don't like boxing and that the ko was 'ugly' viewing if you're not a boxing fan but come on give the man some credit. |
I found his part in the cleebrations to be OTT and tiresome, especially when getting on the mic on the players bus etc.
But I really want him to be a massive success as a boxer, and was delighted for him on Saturday
I think both viewpoints can be held simultaneously despite what the OP said |  |
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 16:04 - Oct 14 with 1595 views | itfcjoe |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 11:30 - Oct 14 by ibbleobble |
Major brands sponsor boxers shorts and garb so you’re incorrect. That’s how endorsement works. Brand association, loyalty, affinity. You’ve said it yourself but in reverse…
Why buy Nike over Adidas? Why select supporting City over United if you’re an oversees foreign national? |
He comes into the ring with Ipswich Glass, DPL, Whip Street Motors etc on his shorts and gear ITFC is in a different stratosphere to all his other sponsors so it's clear he is getting way more out of it than ITFC are.
Which is fine, it's good to see a local boy doing really well - but ITFC promotes him much more than he promotes ITFC. Maybe one day that will change but it's a long way off currently | |
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 16:08 - Oct 14 with 1570 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 15:52 - Oct 14 by WicklowBlue |
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Inspired by cracking a jaw?
Come and learn how!
The definition of glorifying violence 😂 | | | |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 16:49 - Oct 14 with 1524 views | leitrimblue |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 12:44 - Oct 14 by eireblue |
Why wouldn’t they? |
He looks quite big. I'd probably wait til he walked away then mumble it quietly under my breath.
More importantly do you think this Fabio bashing is reaching the level of bashing Bishop use to get back in the day? 🤔 | | | |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 17:05 - Oct 14 with 1502 views | tractorshark |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 15:58 - Oct 14 by itfcjoe |
I found his part in the cleebrations to be OTT and tiresome, especially when getting on the mic on the players bus etc.
But I really want him to be a massive success as a boxer, and was delighted for him on Saturday
I think both viewpoints can be held simultaneously despite what the OP said |
Both of your posts on this, Joe, are spot on and pretty much aligned with my own views.
Very pleased for Wardley the boxer and if he's standing alongside me at Swansea away in 10 years' time, then I will take back what I've said about him as a fan.
I'd love Ipswich to have decades of Premier League success but the wheel will no doubt turn at some point, just as it does for pretty much any team outside the top 8.
At some point we will have a downturn in success.
If the 10,000 or so fans who have rediscovered or developed their love for Ipswich over the past two seasons are still with us, then the club will be in a healthy place.
And that includes Fabio Wardley.
As Joe quite rightly says, you can hold both viewpoints on this thread. | | | |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 17:23 - Oct 14 with 1486 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 16:08 - Oct 14 by LittleBoyBlue1 |
Inspired by cracking a jaw?
Come and learn how!
The definition of glorifying violence 😂 |
Inspired by an elite sportsman rising to the top of his sport, after dedicating his life to training and betterment.
I’m pleased for you that you’ve achieved so much that you can look down on him. [Post edited 14 Oct 2024 17:24]
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 17:51 - Oct 14 with 1434 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 17:23 - Oct 14 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Inspired by an elite sportsman rising to the top of his sport, after dedicating his life to training and betterment.
I’m pleased for you that you’ve achieved so much that you can look down on him. [Post edited 14 Oct 2024 17:24]
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No other sportsman to be inspired by? Why boxing?
You've clearly read the thread as you've had your input yet you seem to ignore everyone agreeing with the dedication, the physical desire, the training work rate etc. The problem the only problem is the end game is to punch the opponent in the face.
So yeah why glorify the fact that Wardley won the fight by cracking the jaw of his opponent. Kids should not be shown that this is OK as it's just a sport. And I'm well aware they haven't exactly used that wording. But you get my point.
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 18:03 - Oct 14 with 1420 views | RadioOrwell |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 16:08 - Oct 14 by LittleBoyBlue1 |
Inspired by cracking a jaw?
Come and learn how!
The definition of glorifying violence 😂 |
I haven't been following this thread.
I have an 18 year old boy who loves boxing. It's his favourite thing.
I showed him absolutely all the sports growing up and never boxing because it was never my thing and I knew nothing about it.
He found it through a friend and he's hooked (haha)
I don't get it and me and his Mum are not thrilled. A couple of times he's had a thump that he's not enjoyed - and I'm terrified about - but I cannot stop him.
Mostly it's training and only occasional sparring - there is safe types of sparring (body) so he does that and a lot of pads and bags.
He absolutely loves it. If he was good enough he would turn pro. His friend is about to take part in a proper event. 18 years old - heavyweight.
What do you think I should tell him and his friend ? |  | | |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 18:06 - Oct 14 with 1410 views | MK1 |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 17:23 - Oct 14 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Inspired by an elite sportsman rising to the top of his sport, after dedicating his life to training and betterment.
I’m pleased for you that you’ve achieved so much that you can look down on him. [Post edited 14 Oct 2024 17:24]
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Don't think anybody is looking down on him, just that some are against the sport he is in. I am ok with martial arts as they are not trying to knock somebody unconscious. Cage fighting and boxing just doesn't sit right in these days. Women do these sports to, which I find a step to far. I am old and maybe a bit out of touch, but men and women trying to knock each other out and potentially causing long term damage, just doesn't seem right to me. |  |
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 18:07 - Oct 14 with 1408 views | SuperKieranMcKenna |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 17:51 - Oct 14 by FrimleyBlue |
No other sportsman to be inspired by? Why boxing?
You've clearly read the thread as you've had your input yet you seem to ignore everyone agreeing with the dedication, the physical desire, the training work rate etc. The problem the only problem is the end game is to punch the opponent in the face.
So yeah why glorify the fact that Wardley won the fight by cracking the jaw of his opponent. Kids should not be shown that this is OK as it's just a sport. And I'm well aware they haven't exactly used that wording. But you get my point.
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Perhaps you can point me to where in the tweet it mentions a broken jaw?
I participate in combat sports I’ve got skin in the game, it’s not nice having illiberal people tell you the sport should be banned because they don’t like it. It’s not harming anyone that doesn’t want to take part. Why are you so animated about it when you don’t have to watch or participate? I’ll leave it there, because fortunately we aren’t yet ruled by people who go out of their way to ban things based on the whims of loud stampy-feet illiberals.
There are far worse role models than Wardley out there. | | | |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 18:08 - Oct 14 with 1400 views | eireblue |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 16:49 - Oct 14 by leitrimblue |
He looks quite big. I'd probably wait til he walked away then mumble it quietly under my breath.
More importantly do you think this Fabio bashing is reaching the level of bashing Bishop use to get back in the day? 🤔 |
Well, the thing is, boxing is supposed to teach discipline, mental resilience and control.
The best person to be arsey with, should be a trained boxer. |  | | |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 18:13 - Oct 14 with 1373 views | FrimleyBlue |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 18:03 - Oct 14 by RadioOrwell |
I haven't been following this thread.
I have an 18 year old boy who loves boxing. It's his favourite thing.
I showed him absolutely all the sports growing up and never boxing because it was never my thing and I knew nothing about it.
He found it through a friend and he's hooked (haha)
I don't get it and me and his Mum are not thrilled. A couple of times he's had a thump that he's not enjoyed - and I'm terrified about - but I cannot stop him.
Mostly it's training and only occasional sparring - there is safe types of sparring (body) so he does that and a lot of pads and bags.
He absolutely loves it. If he was good enough he would turn pro. His friend is about to take part in a proper event. 18 years old - heavyweight.
What do you think I should tell him and his friend ? |
I'm afraid there's not much you can say as he's already at the stage of wanting to take the boxing further. As shown in this thread once you're involved you don't care about the physical damages or the fact you're punching opponents it's just according to some a byproduct of the sport.
Personally. Just be there for him support him as a parent, help him with his future injuries and hope he learns quickly that its not as fun as the sport makes it out to look and he learns to enjoy the culture of a gym and what that can do for his health without the need for the punching aspect.
Hope he stays safe in the ring, good luck. | |
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 18:14 - Oct 14 with 1377 views | MK1 |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 18:03 - Oct 14 by RadioOrwell |
I haven't been following this thread.
I have an 18 year old boy who loves boxing. It's his favourite thing.
I showed him absolutely all the sports growing up and never boxing because it was never my thing and I knew nothing about it.
He found it through a friend and he's hooked (haha)
I don't get it and me and his Mum are not thrilled. A couple of times he's had a thump that he's not enjoyed - and I'm terrified about - but I cannot stop him.
Mostly it's training and only occasional sparring - there is safe types of sparring (body) so he does that and a lot of pads and bags.
He absolutely loves it. If he was good enough he would turn pro. His friend is about to take part in a proper event. 18 years old - heavyweight.
What do you think I should tell him and his friend ? |
Keep it in the gym. | |
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 18:23 - Oct 14 with 1346 views | LittleBoyBlue1 |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 18:03 - Oct 14 by RadioOrwell |
I haven't been following this thread.
I have an 18 year old boy who loves boxing. It's his favourite thing.
I showed him absolutely all the sports growing up and never boxing because it was never my thing and I knew nothing about it.
He found it through a friend and he's hooked (haha)
I don't get it and me and his Mum are not thrilled. A couple of times he's had a thump that he's not enjoyed - and I'm terrified about - but I cannot stop him.
Mostly it's training and only occasional sparring - there is safe types of sparring (body) so he does that and a lot of pads and bags.
He absolutely loves it. If he was good enough he would turn pro. His friend is about to take part in a proper event. 18 years old - heavyweight.
What do you think I should tell him and his friend ? |
To answer your question, it's probably too late.
If you could snap your fingers and have prevented boxing ever being shown to him and glorified by his mates - would you? | | | |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 18:27 - Oct 14 with 1338 views | MK1 |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 18:07 - Oct 14 by SuperKieranMcKenna |
Perhaps you can point me to where in the tweet it mentions a broken jaw?
I participate in combat sports I’ve got skin in the game, it’s not nice having illiberal people tell you the sport should be banned because they don’t like it. It’s not harming anyone that doesn’t want to take part. Why are you so animated about it when you don’t have to watch or participate? I’ll leave it there, because fortunately we aren’t yet ruled by people who go out of their way to ban things based on the whims of loud stampy-feet illiberals.
There are far worse role models than Wardley out there. |
Glorifying trying to knock somebody unconscious just doesn't sit right with me. Sorry to disagree, but I am an old fashioned kind of bloke who doesn't agree with women punching, kicking and kneeling each other in the name of sport. Can't ban one without banning the other. | |
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| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 18:38 - Oct 14 with 1311 views | leitrimblue |
| Seem to recall a lot of people bashing Fabio during promotion celebrations on 18:08 - Oct 14 by eireblue |
Well, the thing is, boxing is supposed to teach discipline, mental resilience and control.
The best person to be arsey with, should be a trained boxer. |
You maybe right but I'd still rather not risk it.
I have an image of myself lying beating in hospital and the mother asking me what happened?
My answer of Eire told me he would be the best person to be arsey with earning the classic reply 'of would you jump off a cliff if Eire told you to?
I've never managed a good comeback to that line | | | |
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